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Conservative Muslim Peer criticises Muslim 'Victim Culture' (UK)
The Times (UK) ^

Posted on 12/12/2007 5:10:39 AM PST by thundrey

The Conservative peer who helped negotiate the release of the primary school teacher jailed in Sudan for allowing her pupils to name a teddy bear Mohamed attacked her fellow British Muslims today for their "victim culture".

Baroness Warsi, a Conservative spokeswoman on community cohesion, also criticised Labour for its "patronage politics" and for having encouraged the "divisive concept" of multiculturalism.

Lady Warsi, 36, born to Pakistani parents in Dewsbury, Yorkshire, is the youngest member of the House of Lords. She came to public notice earlier this month when she was asked by Lord Ahmed, a Labour peer, to accompany him to Sudan to mediate the release of Gillian Gibbons, who had been jailed for insulting Islam.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: britain; islam; muslim

1 posted on 12/12/2007 5:10:41 AM PST by thundrey
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To: thundrey

What is this “Lady Warsi” and “Lord Ahmed” nonsense? Britain is going to hell in a handbasket.


2 posted on 12/12/2007 5:17:49 AM PST by Fairview (Taxes? I paid those -last- year!)
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To: Fairview

Lord Vader can’t be far behind.


3 posted on 12/12/2007 5:18:58 AM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3rd Bn. 5th Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: Fairview
What is this “Lady Warsi” and “Lord Ahmed” nonsense? Britain is going to hell in a handbasket.

Peerages can be awarded to any British Citizen.

Sorry you seem to have a problem with that.

4 posted on 12/12/2007 5:30:52 AM PST by Da_Shrimp
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To: Da_Shrimp
Peerages can be awarded to any British Citizen. Sorry you seem to have a problem with that.

I am aware of that fact, thank you, Shrimp. My point is that putting Muslims in any sort of position of authority or regularizing their belief system is not healthy for the preservation of the values and traditions that made England great.

5 posted on 12/12/2007 5:33:31 AM PST by Fairview (Taxes? I paid those -last- year!)
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To: thundrey

Well at least there is one Muslim that is taking on with great courage this nonsense of a “Muslim victim culture”.


6 posted on 12/12/2007 5:36:40 AM PST by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^=)
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To: Biggirl

Muslims reject western heritage, culture, the rule of law, etc. As their numbers grow, they become more assertive and more demanding. One moderate is only one.


7 posted on 12/12/2007 5:42:59 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: Fairview
I disagree.

Note what she's speaking out about. I think it's important for moderate Muslims to have a public voice.

8 posted on 12/12/2007 5:43:54 AM PST by Da_Shrimp
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To: thundrey
"Multiculturalism has been manipulated to entrench the right to difference, a divisive concept, at the expense of the right to equal treatment despite difference, a unifying concept.

Finally someone gets it.

Now if we could only get the Democrats to see the light. But no that is unlikely because that is where there grass roots are; pushing for special rights.

9 posted on 12/12/2007 5:50:28 AM PST by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: Da_Shrimp

“What is this “Lady Warsi” and “Lord Ahmed” nonsense? Britain is going to hell in a handbasket.”

“Peerages can be awarded to any British Citizen.”

“Sorry you seem to have a problem with that.”

Guess he figures that over there only whites with bad dental hygiene and names like Throckmorton or Cavendish should be allowed to serve in government. LOL!


10 posted on 12/12/2007 5:56:31 AM PST by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: Da_Shrimp

Very impressive and courageous young lady.


11 posted on 12/12/2007 5:56:56 AM PST by winner3000
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To: Bogtrotter52
Throckmorton or Cavendish

Hey, you forgot Featherstonehaugh (pronounced 'Fanshaw')

12 posted on 12/12/2007 5:57:49 AM PST by Da_Shrimp
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Even one person, this one moderate for standing up to this “Muslim victim culture” is a real profile in courage.


13 posted on 12/12/2007 5:58:34 AM PST by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^=)
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To: thundrey

OFF WITH HER HEAD!!!


14 posted on 12/12/2007 5:59:41 AM PST by Gamecock (There was only one victorious life.)
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To: Biggirl

Real courage would bring this voice & attitude to Pakistan, Saudi, etc.


15 posted on 12/12/2007 6:11:09 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: Da_Shrimp
"...Sorry you seem to have a problem with that..."

Friend, you should be sorry that you don't see a problem with that.

We've transcended the whole "you're a bad person if you look askance at islam" mode; we are at the next level, the "it's common sense to question the presence of islam in any area of western society" mode. Just so you know, self-preservation and the survival of my (and your) family now trumps hurt muslim feelings every time.

16 posted on 12/12/2007 6:21:43 AM PST by -=SoylentSquirrel=- (I'm really made of people!)
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To: Da_Shrimp
"...Featherstonehaugh (pronounced 'Fanshaw')..."

You redeemed yourself with that one!

17 posted on 12/12/2007 6:23:05 AM PST by -=SoylentSquirrel=- (I'm really made of people!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

May this message spread to the countries you brought up.


18 posted on 12/12/2007 6:35:10 AM PST by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^=)
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To: -=SoylentSquirrel=-
Friend, you should be sorry that you don't see a problem with that

I'm not, though.

You see, barring some sort of Final Solution or mass expulsions, Muslims are here to stay in Britain. I have a couple of Muslim friends, who like to go to the pub and have pint and a fag (cigarette) and look at girls just like anyone else.

Now, the only way to turn these guys into radicals would be to tell them that they're evil just because of their religion. I had much rather they had people like the Baroness to represent their views in public.

"Britishness is not something that can be put in words. It is about institutions, and traditions, and the shared values which are often felt more than spoken."

Spot on, love!

19 posted on 12/12/2007 6:36:55 AM PST by Da_Shrimp
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To: thundrey

Well! Another Margaret Thatcher in the making? Great to see!


20 posted on 12/12/2007 6:43:44 AM PST by fortunecookie (Communism/socialism has failed millions, it wasn't right for them - and it isn't right for US.)
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To: -=SoylentSquirrel=-

As DaShrimp has said, there are actually muslims out there, such as this Tory Peer, who are not out to get non-muslims. But you can be sure if you start treating them like something akin to the Kulaks in Stalin’s Russia (deftly avoided Godwin’s Law there), even moderate and patriotic British muslims like this peer would be pushed into genuine radicalism.
The reason I posted this story was because I am a British conservative who believes that Thatcher was one of our greatest Prime Ministers, but I also believe some of the opinions expressed here about Muslims are completely ridiculous and over the top. I have friends who are muslim who are decent people and I suspect a lot of people here have little experiance with muslims, save for perhaps when they were deployed in certain middle-eastern hell-holes were most of the population was hostile and trying to blow your head off...


21 posted on 12/12/2007 6:57:29 AM PST by thundrey
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To: Da_Shrimp

“Hey, you forgot Featherstonehaugh (pronounced ‘Fanshaw’)”

I am going to be really bugged until I recall where in the heck I have seen that name before. Either a book or movie. TELL ME!!!!!! Wait...... L. Neil Smith novel. The presidents last name. And he was a gorilla! Knew I had seen it. Thought you had me....Hah!


22 posted on 12/12/2007 7:39:35 AM PST by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: thundrey

THAT is what the great "American Melting Pot" originally meant. The current emphasis on Diversity [spit!] is meant to divide and balkanize our society, not solidify it with cohesiveness.

23 posted on 12/12/2007 8:25:37 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: Bogtrotter52
For your edification and delight:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Featherstonehaugh_Ukridge

24 posted on 12/12/2007 8:37:38 AM PST by Da_Shrimp
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