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Shadow Warriors (interview with author of explosive new book)
Front Page Magazine ^ | December 12, 2007 | Jamie Glazof

Posted on 12/12/2007 10:54:18 AM PST by Clintonfatigued

FP: Kenneth Timmerman, welcome to Frontpage Interview.

Timmerman: Thanks, Jamie. It’s always a pleasure to appear alongside other founding members of the Vast Right-wing Conspiracy.

FP: My pleasure as well.

What inspired you to write this book?

Timmerman: In the beginning were the leaks. I was curious how highly-classified intelligence information was winding up on the front pages of the NY Times and in other leftist media. Two stories, in particular, caught my attention initially: the leak of the CIA “secret prisons,” and the smearing of Ahmad Chalabi, to which I will return below.

I knew quite a bit about both stories, and knew that the way they were being reported was incredibly selective and politically motivated. I wanted to track them back to the source.

What I discovered was a vast, underground network of government officials, former intelligence officers, members of Congress and their staffs, who were in bed with a complacent, anti-Bush media. They were eager to publish anything that did damage to this president, even if it put the lives of our intelligence officers or of our front-line troops in jeopardy.

FP: So tell us about the underground resistance movement against President Bush.

Timmerman: It certainly comes as no surprise to readers of this page to discover that a segment of the Democrat party never accepted the legitimacy of the 2000 presidential election, and sought in every possible way to delegitimize George W. Bush.

What I discovered, however, was that this political “pay-back” went far beyond the realm of domestic politics, and that legions of “shadow warriors” purposefully burrowed into the bureaucracy with the sole purpose of undermining the president and his policies.

(Excerpt) Read more at frontpagemagazine.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: beaucracy; bush; clintonholdovers; countdowntocrisis; democratparty; glazov; iraqwar; kennethrtimmerman; kennethtimmerman; shadowgovernment; shadowwarriors; term2; treason
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1 posted on 12/12/2007 10:54:19 AM PST by Clintonfatigued
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To: ExTexasRedhead; SandRat; river rat; SJackson; Alouette; bnelson44; Old Sarge; Salem; neverdem; ...

What this author charges is nothing short of astonishing. If what he says is true, national Democrats are more interested in defeating George W. Bush than protecting the United States from its enemies.


2 posted on 12/12/2007 10:57:01 AM PST by Clintonfatigued (You can't be serious about national security unless you're serious about border security)
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To: Clintonfatigued
If what he says is true, national Democrats are more interested in defeating George W. Bush than protecting the United States from its enemies.

That hasn't been obvious for the last seven years?

3 posted on 12/12/2007 11:01:10 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
national Democrats are more interested in defeating George W. Bush than protecting the United States from its enemies.

Correct.

4 posted on 12/12/2007 11:02:07 AM PST by JennysCool (Merry Christmas!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
From the article:

"For the shadow warriors, the failure of the liberation of Iraq was not “collateral damage.” It was the actual goal of their efforts."

Suspicions confirmed?

5 posted on 12/12/2007 11:09:40 AM PST by MizSterious (Deport all the illegals to sanctuary cities.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
If what he says is true, national Democrats are more interested in defeating George W. Bush than protecting the United States from its enemies.

I am surprised that you seem surprised by this. Democrats are more interested in their own political power and prestige than the welfare or protection of America or its citizens. Their political behavior suggests (and has for decades now) that the worse off the country is doing, the more power the democratic party gets. They almost have to hope for the worst for America to acquire the personal power and prestige they quest. Damn the consequences to the Nation as a whole, until they are in power.

Once they are in power, the pull out the tape and start checking the political opinion winds to see what will make the people happy. A little tape here, a little tape their...announce how great things are and what has been fixed...check the poles...Repeat.

Anything that goes bad in America can be attributed to Bush and republicans in general. Therefore, they have to hope for the worst if they want the best for their careers.

6 posted on 12/12/2007 11:10:05 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (I put my foot in my mouth once. I think I'll just leave it there, lest it happen again.)
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To: Tenacious 1
Their political behavior suggests (and has for decades now) that the worse off the country is doing, the more power the democratic party gets. They almost have to hope for the worst for America to acquire the personal power and prestige they quest. Damn the consequences to the Nation as a whole, until they are in power.

I agree with the context of the discussion, but the democratic party's assumed strategy of "hope/strive for the worst so that we get elected" is at best a flawed premise: the premise being that a majority of voters are actually stupid enough to believe that the democrats can do anything right when it comes to America.

7 posted on 12/12/2007 11:15:09 AM PST by kromike
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To: Clintonfatigued

Ya new around here? That’s been clear for a long time.


8 posted on 12/12/2007 11:15:16 AM PST by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: Clintonfatigued

I am surprised this book has not gotten more attention, even with the usual MSM bias. It tells the inside story of how the CIA shadow warriors got rid of Porter Goss, for one thing. The story of the forged yellowcake memo. There’s lots of stuff in here. Sabotaging the war effort was probably the worse thing they did.


9 posted on 12/12/2007 11:23:43 AM PST by firebrand
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To: Clintonfatigued

[ If what he says is true, national Democrats are more interested in defeating George W. Bush than protecting the United States from its enemies.]

Does this surprize you? This fact has been obvious for at least 6 years.


10 posted on 12/12/2007 11:32:54 AM PST by dbacks (Taglines for sale or rent.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

The president failed to clean house and his appointees followed suit, does anyone still think that Colon(spelling need not be corrected) Powell is POTUS material?


11 posted on 12/12/2007 1:02:02 PM PST by kublia khan (Absolute war brings total victory)
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To: kublia khan
"The president failed to clean house and his appointees followed suit, does anyone still think that Colon(spelling need not be corrected) Powell is POTUS material? "

Seems to me like many people of the conservative stripe (here on FR, Hannity, Dick Morris) were proposing the candidacy for president of a certain prominent black female, now in charge of that snakepit at State Dept.

12 posted on 12/12/2007 1:18:40 PM PST by matthew fuller (The destruction of the CIA tapes was indubitably intentional obstruction of treason.)
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To: kublia khan
Porter Goss was Bush's attempt to clean house at CIA. Powell was wrong from the get-go: too many unconservative opinions. The culture at State was also too entrenched for both Powell and Rice.

The same thing used to happen to our schools chancellors here. They would get absorbed by the bureacracy.

Even supposedly conservative Supreme Court Justices get twisted by the pervasive liberal culture in Washington.

I wouldn't blame it on Bush. One man can't fight decades of Gramscied government.

13 posted on 12/12/2007 1:33:43 PM PST by firebrand
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To: Clintonfatigued
Democrats are more interested in defeating George W. Bush than protecting the United States from its enemies.


14 posted on 12/12/2007 1:42:36 PM PST by Old Sarge (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub)
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To: kublia khan
Colon(spelling need not be corrected) Powell

Minor spelling error: it's Colon Bowell.

And I agree with your premise, nonetheless.

15 posted on 12/12/2007 1:44:59 PM PST by Old Sarge (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub)
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To: Skeet; Interesting Times; Howlin

SITYS


16 posted on 12/12/2007 1:47:56 PM PST by The Shrew (www.ToSetTheRecordStraight.com/www.swiftvets.com/www.wintersoldier.com-The Truth Shall Set YOU Free!)
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To: MizSterious

Yes,...thank you for the ping....


17 posted on 12/12/2007 1:54:11 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Clintonfatigued

A Must Read:
Unholy Alliance :
Radical Islam and the American Left (Hardcover)
by David Horowitz
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Vastly Illuminating, September 25, 2004
Reviewer:
Kat Bakhu (Albuquerque, NM United States) - See all my reviews

I had long wondered why people on the Left had the propensity to speak more positively about people who would slit their throats than they do about their own country, which affords them more freedom and opportunity than anywhere else. David Horowitz has answered that question thoroughly and convincingly in his Unholy Alliance. Where I felt bewildered and confused, I now feel crystal clear. Unholy Alliance is such a great book.

It begins with the leftist movements at the beginning of the 20th Century, and works its way up to the present day, exploring the anti-American attitude of these movements in detail. Horowitz shows that the enemies of the US back then are largely the same group today, operating under the same misperceptions, making the same mistakes, and pursuing the same impossible utopia.

Individual chapters are included on the Patriot Act (I was persuaded that it is a GOOD thing); the democratic flip-flop on Iraq once G.W. Bush implemented what they agreed with Clinton needed to be done; the driving components of the current anti-war movement; as well as chapters on individual personalities who are major spokespeople of the Left. Horowitz covers a lot of ground, and he covers it concisely and clearly. Unholy Alliance is richly informative without ever being boring or plodding.

This book is so illuminating that I simply cannot do justice to it here. I love people who reason so clearly that they help me get my own reasoning clear. Horowitz is just that type of person! In the terrain of mindless clichés (no-blood-for-oil, etc.), he is a breath of real fresh air.
<**************************************


18 posted on 12/12/2007 1:55:57 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Clintonfatigued

If what he says is true, national Democrats should be speedily tried, convicted and hung for treason.


19 posted on 12/12/2007 2:25:19 PM PST by Noumenon (Liberalism itself is a hate crime)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

For read reference later to self.

Thanks.


20 posted on 12/12/2007 2:27:01 PM PST by Tenacious 1 (I put my foot in my mouth once. I think I'll just leave it there, lest it happen again.)
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To: firebrand; justiceseeker93; oneamericanvoice; freekitty; gonzo

The country desperately needs someone that has the gonads to tell the truth about Hildebeast and Bubba going back to their early Arkansas days and forward. Of course, that person will need around-the-clock protection as many of the Clintoon associates are now room temperature.


21 posted on 12/12/2007 3:40:11 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Clintonfatigued; gonzo

Ping fer later ............................ FRegards


22 posted on 12/12/2007 3:54:04 PM PST by gonzo (My Mother never understood the irony of calling me a 'son-of-a-bitch' ...)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Wheeler has written about this. Get rid of the embeds in all government jobs. They need 8 year term limits as our President has so do both house and senate. This is the only way to start a process to give the government back to the people.


23 posted on 12/12/2007 4:24:16 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: shield; ProCivitas

That’s actually a good idea. These permanent bureaucracies and career bureaucrats pursuing their own agendas have become a major problem.


24 posted on 12/12/2007 6:24:23 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (You can't be serious about national security unless you're serious about border security)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Jack Wheeler says they are now the ones that are running our government. Our elections matter little with these embeds in these government jobs. Wheeler thinks they ALL NEED TO BE FIRED.


25 posted on 12/12/2007 6:29:21 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Clintonfatigued
If what he says is true, national Democrats are more interested in defeating George W. Bush than protecting the United States from its enemies.

That Limbaugh guy on the weak AM radio has been saying that for a long time.

26 posted on 12/12/2007 6:31:47 PM PST by humblegunner (My KungFu is ten times power.)
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To: kublia khan

You do not know what you’re talking about these embeds have been in government for yrs and yrs and yrs...long before the clintoons’. No way could Bush have cleaned them out...that’s EXTREMELY naive thinking...


27 posted on 12/12/2007 6:31:51 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Clintonfatigued

I think you can bank on that. This is a most interesting and a bit terrifying account. Sounds like a must read to me.


28 posted on 12/12/2007 6:44:41 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: matthew fuller

Everyone in the State Department should be fired. But of course, they won’t be.


29 posted on 12/12/2007 6:46:23 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Kenneth Timmerman is the BEST ....a very brilliant author of our times !!

I read everything he writes !! His books are well researched and footnoted. The detail of events, players and history is always a great read....I always learn so much from him.

I am reading Shadow Warriors now and I can not believe what I am reading !! The undermining of this country by the CIA and the State Dept to win the war on terror and the Iraq War is beyond belief !! I recommend the book to anyone who wants to know what really went on behind the scenes in Iraq and why it seemed so many mistakes were made. After reading the book, you will have a good understanding and answers to those many questions you may have. You will recognize the names and the events ...and be able to fit a lot of pieces together !! “Shadow Warrior” and Rowan Scarbborough’s book “Sabotage” go hand in hand ...if you want to know the truth and the facts about the enemy within !!

Timmerman wrote a book about Iran ....”Countdown to Crisis” ....if you can keep up with all the Arab names it is another great read.

Timmerman also wrote “The French Betrayal of America” ...about the Oil for Food and the lead up to the Iraq War when Powell’s efforts at the UN were sabotaged by the French. There is a lot of history of the relationship France had with Saddam.

GREAT READS .....ALL OF THEM !!

30 posted on 12/12/2007 7:28:31 PM PST by W-Girl
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To: Noumenon
"...If what he says is true, national Democrats should be speedily tried, convicted and hung for treason..."

Too many Republican traitors to get any arrests, let alone convictions ............................ FRegards

31 posted on 12/12/2007 8:04:15 PM PST by gonzo (My Mother never understood the irony of calling me a 'son-of-a-bitch' ...)
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To: ExTexasRedhead; Noumenon
"...The country desperately needs someone that has the gonads to tell the truth about Hildebeast and Bubba going back to their early Arkansas days and forward..."

It goes much deeper than just the klintoon, Red. The 'embedded' bureaucracy never gets fired - just recycled, and 'we-the-people' get the same-ole same-ole.

Soon, possibly before the next election, our USSC will decide if the Second Amendment to the Constitution means what it so plainly says, and we will know then how our Government intends to treat us in the future. We'll either be Citizens or subjects, and we know how the last subjugation ended.

Should be interesting ......................... FRegards

32 posted on 12/12/2007 8:35:26 PM PST by gonzo (My Mother never understood the irony of calling me a 'son-of-a-bitch' ...)
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To: Marysecretary
"Everyone in the State Department should be fired. But of course, they won’t be. "

I believe that is the gist of the Timmerman's book, after just glancing at it- it's on my kitchen table, next in line to read.

33 posted on 12/12/2007 8:45:04 PM PST by matthew fuller (The destruction of the CIA tapes was indubitably intentional obstruction of treason.)
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To: matthew fuller
Please explain your tagline.

Cheers!

34 posted on 12/12/2007 8:51:07 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers
"Please explain your tagline."What I am implying is that the CIA destroyed the tapes precisely to keep the Democrat traitors from leaking them to the NY Times.
35 posted on 12/12/2007 9:02:40 PM PST by matthew fuller (The destruction of the CIA tapes was indubitably intentional obstruction of treason.)
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To: gonzo

Perhaps then it will be time for another ‘animated contest’. The stakes will be every bit as high as the last time.


36 posted on 12/12/2007 9:09:14 PM PST by Noumenon (Liberalism itself is a hate crime)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Bush’s 2nd biggest failing was not finding the leaks and nailing their heads on a pike.


37 posted on 12/12/2007 9:11:36 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
What this author charges is nothing short of astonishing. If what he says is true, national Democrats are more interested in defeating George W. Bush than protecting the United States from its enemies.

Your post deserves the Captain Obvious cartoon. That has been the RAT agenda from the beginning. The author has simply taken the time to convert a commonly held opinion into a documented set of facts.

38 posted on 12/12/2007 9:12:19 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Noumenon
If what he says is true, national Democrats should be speedily tried, convicted and hung for treason.

Are there enough body bags on the planet to support the operation? I doubt it.

39 posted on 12/12/2007 9:14:08 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Nail them.


40 posted on 12/12/2007 9:41:28 PM PST by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: Noumenon
"...The stakes will be every bit as high as the last time..."

Agreed. Luckily, there won't be any foreigners involved this time ..................... FRegards

41 posted on 12/12/2007 9:59:08 PM PST by gonzo (My Mother never understood the irony of calling me a 'son-of-a-bitch' ...)
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To: W-Girl

Timmerman is a great writer plus he takes care of family affairs too. Has five children


42 posted on 12/13/2007 2:40:39 AM PST by dennisw (Islam - "a transnational association of dangerous lunatics")
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To: IncPen; BartMan1

ping


43 posted on 12/13/2007 2:58:44 AM PST by Nailbiter
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To: Clintonfatigued; JennysCool; DuncanWaring; MizSterious; Tenacious 1; shield; humblegunner; ...
The light comic version of this kind of horror is pretty well depicted in the BBC series "Yes, Minister" and "Yes, Prime Minister". Very funny in a sardonic sort of way.

Entertainment value aside, something should be done about this. How does all this jibe with whatever importance we as a society place on 'whistleblowing'(needs a better name)?

44 posted on 12/13/2007 6:43:22 AM PST by ProCivitas (Pro-America = Pro-Family + Fair Trade = Duncan Hunter. www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Clintonfatigued
>What this author charges is nothing short of astonishing

What this author says
is nothing short of a yawn.
Let's not be naive.

The United States
essentially runs the world.
Whomever's in charge

will be targeted
in every way possible
by all other groups

that want to run things.
I see nothing surprising
in back-stage fighting.
45 posted on 12/13/2007 7:23:12 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: W-Girl
Link to Amazon :

Shadow Warriors: The Untold Story of Traitors, Saboteurs, and the Party of Surrender (Kindle Edition)

Kindle Price: $9.99 & includes wireless delivery via Amazon Whispernet

Of course you need the Kindle device which is currently sold out....

46 posted on 12/13/2007 8:39:10 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: All
CNET review of Amazon Kindle device

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Product summary

The good: Excellent high-contrast screen does a great job of simulating a printed page; large library of tens of thousands of e-books, newspapers, magazines, and blogs via Amazon's familiar online store; built-in free wireless "Whispernet" data network--no PC needed; built-in keyboard for notes; SD card expansion slot; compatible with Windows and Mac machines.

The bad: Design is ergonomic, but not very elegant; pricing for nearly all the content seems too high, especially considering the periodicals and blogs are available for free online; black-and-white screen is fine for books, but less impressive for periodicals and Web content; lacks a true Web browser; included cover is clumsy and poorly designed; additional file formats need to be e-mailed to Amazon for conversion; yet another dedicated device you'll need to lug around with you.

The bottom line: With its free built-in wireless capabilities and PC-free operation, Amazon's Kindle holds a distinct advantage over Sony's Reader and is a promising evolution of the electronic book--but Amazon needs to bring down the pricing for both the device and the content to attract a wider audience.

47 posted on 12/13/2007 8:43:39 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: All
Electronic book devices
48 posted on 12/13/2007 8:47:13 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Clintonfatigued

How could one be aware of the actions of both houses of Congress with the leadership of Pelosi, Reid, Kennedy, Durban, Murtha, Kerry, and the rest of those sorry asses who call themselves Democrats, Progressives and some Republicans, NOT be aware that they were more interested in our defeat than in our victory?????

It appears America’s leftists view America as the enemy - rather than those who wish to destroy America..

A major “correction” of the Congress is in order..


49 posted on 12/13/2007 9:13:00 AM PST by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Clintonfatigued; IrishMike
Crosslinking to this:

CIA let mullahs off hook ... (NIE Report: dismaying, stupidity, reckless, bewildering, bizarre)
The Australian ^ | December 13, 2007 | Greg Sheridan
Posted on 12/12/2007 9:37:11 AM PST by IrishMike

50 posted on 12/13/2007 9:19:37 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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