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Spartans Did Not Throw Deformed Babies Away: Researchers
Yahoo News ^ | 12-10-2007

Posted on 12/12/2007 11:10:15 AM PST by blam

Spartans did not throw deformed babies away: researchers

Mon Dec 10, 1:22 PM ET

AFP/File Photo: The statue of King Leonidas of ancient Sparta stands over the battlefield of Thermopylae, some...

ATHENS (AFP) - The Greek myth that ancient Spartans threw their stunted and sickly newborns off a cliff was not corroborated by archaeological digs in the area, researchers said Monday.

After more than five years of analysis of human remains culled from the pit, also called an apothetes, researchers found only the remains of adolescents and adults between the ages of 18 and 35, Athens Faculty of Medicine Anthropologist Theodoros Pitsios said.

"There were still bones in the area, but none from newborns, according to the samples we took from the bottom of the pit" of the foothills of Mount Taygete near present-day Sparta.

"It is probably a myth, the ancient sources of this so-called practice were rare, late and imprecise," he added.

Meant to attest to the militaristic character of the ancient Spartan people, moralistic historian Plutarch in particular spread the legend during first century AD.

According to Pitsios, the bones studied to date came from the fifth and sixth centuries BC and come from 46 men, confirming the assertion from ancient sources that the Spartans threw prisoners, traitors or criminals into the pit.

The discoveries shine light on an episode during the second war between Sparta and Messene, a fortified city state independent of Sparta, when Spartans defeated the Messenian hero Aristomenes and his 50 warriors, who were all thrown into the pit, he added.


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KEYWORDS: ancientautopsies; ancientgreece; archaeology; babies; deformed; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; researchers; spartans
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1 posted on 12/12/2007 11:10:17 AM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 12/12/2007 11:17:13 AM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam

Interesting.


3 posted on 12/12/2007 11:17:59 AM PST by GoLightly
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To: blam

I was taught that the babies were left on a hillside. Still, it’s all interesting.


4 posted on 12/12/2007 11:18:06 AM PST by SoldierMedic (Rowan Walter, 23 Feb 2007 Ramadi)
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To: SoldierMedic

And dragged off by animals. It wouldn’t be a surprise that none of the bones were found. I imagine a hungry wolf would pretty much eat everything when it came to a newborn, probably chew up the bones and all.


5 posted on 12/12/2007 11:21:19 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: blam

I thought this was already known? We were taught in college that the Spartans gave the weakly and the deformed to the Helots to raise.


6 posted on 12/12/2007 11:23:23 AM PST by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: blam
...bones studied to date came from the fifth and sixth centuries BC and come from 46 men.....Aristomenes and his 50 warriors, who were all thrown into the pit... Maybe it's them!.............
7 posted on 12/12/2007 11:24:26 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: blam

Aren’t baby bones mostly cartillage? IIRC, the Spartans would decide on its fate immediately after the birth of the baby.


8 posted on 12/12/2007 11:25:20 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: blam

Rumor likely started by early Pro-Abortion democrats.


9 posted on 12/12/2007 11:28:39 AM PST by deathrace2000 ("I regret that I have but one life to give for my country", Nathan Hale before execution.)
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To: SoldierMedic
From my handy latin phrasebook:

Antiquis temporibus, nati tibi similes in rupibus ventosissimis exponebantur ad necem.

"In the good old days, children like you were left to perish on windswept crags."

Just tryin' ta be helpful.

10 posted on 12/12/2007 11:30:15 AM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: SoldierMedic
I was taught that the babies were left on a hillside.

Probably easier to fire up the troops to go to battle against "guys who kill their own babies", cuz then you're not just going to war to defend yourself & your people, but you're also going to crush evil people.

11 posted on 12/12/2007 11:30:26 AM PST by GoLightly
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To: blam

Thanks - I’d really been fretting about this...


12 posted on 12/12/2007 11:31:16 AM PST by jagusafr ("Bugs, Mr. Rico! Zillions of 'em!" - Robert Heinlein)
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To: SoldierMedic

And not just in Sparta.

You could call the practice “completed birth abortion”.


13 posted on 12/12/2007 11:36:14 AM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: SoldierMedic
I was taught that the babies were left on a hillside. Still, it’s all interesting.

"Exposure" was a common form of late term abortion (full-birth abortion) for both the Greeks and Romans.

I would imagine the "bones" have been ingested and passed by animals.

14 posted on 12/12/2007 11:42:41 AM PST by nonsporting
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Aren’t baby bones mostly cartillage?

No, you must be thinking of a fetus. The embryo starts out with a skeleton of primarily hyaline cartilage, but by the time of birth most of this hyaline cartilage has been converted to bone with the exception of ephiphyseal plates near the end of long bones such as in the limbs. This allows the bone to grow. During adolescence, this too converts to bone, and the bone stops growing.

15 posted on 12/12/2007 11:45:49 AM PST by stripes1776 (u)
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To: GoLightly

Just about all ancient peoples practiced infanticide. The only exception I’m aware of is the Jews. This was regularly mentioned by their neighbors as one of their oddest customs.

What was unique in Sparta was that a state committee decided which children would be raised. Everywhere else it was the head of the family.

Today it’s the “mother.” We’ve advanced so far.


16 posted on 12/12/2007 11:47:01 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: blam
Come on, how can any self-respecting Sparta themed post not have a picture from "300" in it yet???


17 posted on 12/12/2007 11:50:09 AM PST by rednesss (Fred Thompson - 2008)
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To: Melas

I was told they sold them to the circus.


18 posted on 12/12/2007 12:04:28 PM PST by Holicheese (1-21-09 Hillary starts to destroy America!)
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To: Sherman Logan

“Exposure” was common & allowed for the “gods” to will whether or not an infant would live. Pitching the infants off of a cliff or sacrificing them in fire was considered to be barbaric, even by societies that practiced their own form of infanticide.


19 posted on 12/12/2007 12:05:30 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: GoLightly
Probably easier to fire up the troops to go to battle against "guys who kill their own babies", cuz then you're not just going to war to defend yourself & your people, but you're also going to crush evil people.

I have read a fair amount of military history of the ancient Greeks. I would say that was not a consideration for going to war in 5th and 4th century BC Greece. And I doubt that it was a consideration when Plutarch wrote his history in first century AD. He probably disapproved of the practice, but there were no wars against the Spartans at that time.

Plutarch did write an essay "On the Malice of Herodotus" in which he critized the 5th century BC Greek historian. This may be the explanation:

According to Plutarch scholar R. H. Barrow, Herodotus’ real failing in Plutarch’s eyes was to advance any criticism at all of those states that saved Greece from Persia. “Plutarch,” he concluded, “is fanatically biased in favor of the Greek cities; they can do no wrong.”
Sparta was one of the states that saved Greece from Persia. If you haven't seen the movie "300", I would recommend renting it.
20 posted on 12/12/2007 12:11:14 PM PST by stripes1776 (u)
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