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Former Iran president: U.S. intelligence report was leaked by Democrats or independent groups
al Bawaba ^ | December 13 2007

Posted on 12/12/2007 1:50:09 PM PST by knighthawk

Chairman of the Experts Assembly Ayatollah Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani said on Wednesday that the "important" report issued by 16 US intelligence agencies is neither against Tehran nor benefits Washington. The report released on December 3 by the US National Intelligence Estimate (NIE), said, they did not "assume that Iran intends to acquire nuclear weapons."

Addressing the 4th congress of Moderation and Development, he commented on reasons for issuing the report, stressing: "My primary speculation is that the report has been issued either by the Democrats or independent groups. The report might have been issued by experts since their investigation has indicated that Iran has not been pursuing nuclear weapons in these years."

"The US president had already been informed of the report and as the Israeli prime minister announced, the report was presented to him during the Annapolis conference by President Bush," Rafsanjani added, according to IRNA.

They knew that if the White House opposed the report, they would face another defeat at international arena, he said, adding that they knew that they had to respond to the public opinion therefore the situation was in a way that the report had to be published.

Referring to the recent report of Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Mohamed ElBaradei, he said, "The two reports (NIE and IAEA) changed the situation in a way that the White House was faced with problems in issuing further sanctions against Iran and other issues such as military invasion against the country," Rafsanjani, who is the former Iranian president reiterated.

Despite such reports, the US and its allies have intensified their anti-Iran efforts to show their hatred towards the Iranian nation, he said commenting on recent anti-Iran moves by Washington and certain European states.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ahmadinejad; iran; iraniannukes; leaks; nie; rafsanjani; sedition

1 posted on 12/12/2007 1:50:14 PM PST by knighthawk
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To: MizSterious; Nix 2; green lantern; BeOSUser; Brad's Gramma; dreadme; Turk2; keri; ...

Ping


2 posted on 12/12/2007 1:51:44 PM PST by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: knighthawk

Leave it to the Democrats to undermine US interests. Sometimes you have to wonder if Democrats live in America.


3 posted on 12/12/2007 1:52:34 PM PST by Always Right
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To: knighthawk

bfl


4 posted on 12/12/2007 1:53:06 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: knighthawk

Well, heck...you don’t have to be Einstein to figure that one out.


5 posted on 12/12/2007 1:57:22 PM PST by ravingnutter
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To: Always Right

Lotsa blood on their hands if Mahamood keeps his promise.


6 posted on 12/12/2007 1:58:17 PM PST by Shady (The Fairness Doctrine is ANYTHING but fair!!!!)
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To: knighthawk

I’m going to swim against what I guess will be the tide in this post and say I’d sooner trust Democrats than some former president of Iran. If politics really should stop at the water’s edge, then we at least have to give our countrymen the benefit of the doubt before we believe an avowed enemy of our nation. I’m not saying there’s no way Democrats didn’t leak this thing, just that I’m not ready to jump onto this bandwagon being driven by a guy named Ayatollah Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, who himself said it was just his “speculation”. I’ll wait for some evidence.


7 posted on 12/12/2007 1:58:43 PM PST by mngran2
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To: knighthawk
Have to agree with him, he is probably in the democratic caucus
8 posted on 12/12/2007 2:03:04 PM PST by SF Republican
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To: knighthawk
IIRC, I read an article in a leftist mailing list about Chomsky saying that the EU betrayed Iranian government. He claims that Iran stopped its nuclear development in 2003 at EU’s request but EU didn’t follow up with their promise of helping any sanction against Iran. This was in November, I believe.
9 posted on 12/12/2007 2:04:57 PM PST by paudio
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To: mngran2

One would think that the extreme efforts to undermine the war by the Democraps should be enough evidence Rafsanjani is close if not right on with his remarks.


10 posted on 12/12/2007 2:06:05 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: knighthawk
It’s all complete BS about the DEMs leaking this report. The NIE reports are Bush Admin requested reports that came into existence after 9/11. The Bush Admin had this report requested and the Bush Admin declassified the full report. There was no leaking of this report.
11 posted on 12/12/2007 2:11:52 PM PST by avacado
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To: mngran2

You are absolutley right! See my post #11


12 posted on 12/12/2007 2:13:07 PM PST by avacado
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To: avacado

Thank you for that information. Why so many people are ready to vilify our political opponents before our actual enemies I’ll never understand.


13 posted on 12/12/2007 2:20:20 PM PST by mngran2
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To: knighthawk

14 posted on 12/12/2007 2:25:33 PM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: mngran2
Id like to believe that but given that facts of the last 7 years I honestly don’t know. There are so many incidents of serious breeches of intelligence by Rockefeller, etc that I no longer have any faith that the Dems are even remotely interested in this country. That being said I don’t trust anything I hear that is not spoken in Arabic coming from anyone in the Mideast.
15 posted on 12/12/2007 2:28:14 PM PST by Archon of the East (Universal Executive Power of the Law of Nature)
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To: Archon of the East

See my post #11


16 posted on 12/12/2007 2:30:59 PM PST by avacado
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To: paudio

Chomsky is a notorious liar and manipulator of facts by way of linguistics and references. I find it curious that Chomsky and the NIE have the same conclusion. I would hate to think that the NIE was using some Chomsky footnote as the bases for their intelligence. He has a way of citing himself as authority.


17 posted on 12/12/2007 2:37:14 PM PST by Archon of the East (Universal Executive Power of the Law of Nature)
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To: avacado
Ok sounds correct, I'm just not so sure the Dems are any more friends of America than some of our enemy’s regardless of this report. They have been leaking classified info all over the place so I tend to bite right away when I hear a leak may have occurred.
18 posted on 12/12/2007 2:42:52 PM PST by Archon of the East (Universal Executive Power of the Law of Nature)
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To: Archon of the East
I agree with your sentiments about the DEMs. I trust them no further than I can throw them... and I don’t really even trust them that far.

I think the reason that the Bush Admin declassified the entire report was to put a stop to any second guessing and spinning.

19 posted on 12/12/2007 2:56:48 PM PST by avacado
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To: mngran2
I’d sooner trust Democrats than some former president of Iran. If politics really should stop at the water’s edge, then we at least have to give our countrymen the benefit of the doubt before we believe an avowed enemy of our nation

The Demonrats have shown themselves to be AVOWED ENEMIES OF OUR NATION time after time after time. So they get no "benefit of the doubt". Good God man, how many times does someone have to stab you in the back before you realize they are not your friend...

20 posted on 12/12/2007 2:57:16 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: Archon of the East
I don’t think NIE was using Chomsky’s writing. If anything, I think Chomsky had some NK insider telling him the ‘official story’, the same one that was told to NIE ‘informants’. It’s just strange that NIE was the only one who said so when even most EU countries’ intelligence say otherwise.
21 posted on 12/12/2007 3:05:34 PM PST by paudio
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To: avacado

The NIE reports are Bush Admin requested reports that came into existence after 9/11.

http://www.dni.gov/nic/NIC_tradecraft_overview.html

OVERVIEW: HISTORY OF INTELLIGENCE ESTIMATES


22 posted on 12/12/2007 3:30:00 PM PST by BARLF
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To: avacado
>>>I think the reason that the Bush Admin declassified the entire report was to put a stop to any second guessing and spinning.<<<

Or perhaps, to make the "spinning and second guessing" of the NIE perfectly obvious!!!

23 posted on 12/12/2007 3:30:36 PM PST by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out Of Qurans)
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To: knighthawk
Hey, friend,you might want to visit the NIC website link at post #22.

Look for the home page for choices if you decide to go there.

24 posted on 12/12/2007 3:39:18 PM PST by BARLF
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To: knighthawk

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1935665/posts?page=29#29


25 posted on 12/12/2007 3:40:26 PM PST by sappy
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To: HardStarboard

Excellent point. I hadn’t thought of it that way. Thank you.


26 posted on 12/12/2007 3:42:21 PM PST by sappy
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To: knighthawk
Former Iran president: U.S. intelligence report was leaked by Democrats or independent groups

He's probably right...

Chairman of the Experts Assembly Ayatollah Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani

Ah, it's this dude...if I remember right, he's the editor of the magazine whose name I always forget, but it's the mouthpiece for Ali Khamenei. He's a hardliner, to cut to the chase.
27 posted on 12/12/2007 3:48:47 PM PST by G8 Diplomat (Creatures are divided into 6 kingdoms: Animalia, Plantae, Fungi, Monera, Protista, & Saudi Arabia)
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To: BARLF

Thanks for the link. I need to correct what I said earlier it seems. The NIE reports of discussion have been requested by President Bush but the NIE reports have been around since before President Bush. It’s basically Bush’s report.

Did I get it right?


28 posted on 12/12/2007 3:50:15 PM PST by avacado
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To: HardStarboard

Agreed! You stated it much better than I did.


29 posted on 12/12/2007 3:51:25 PM PST by avacado
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To: knighthawk

"My primary speculation is that the report has been issued either by the Democrats or independent groups."

Wait a sec...did Rafsanjani say this?? When was HE president of Iran? I thought they were talking about Khatami. I've listened to Rafsanjani speak and frankly I wouldn't believe a word out of his mouth. So I take back what I said in my earlier post.
30 posted on 12/12/2007 3:57:14 PM PST by G8 Diplomat (Creatures are divided into 6 kingdoms: Animalia, Plantae, Fungi, Monera, Protista, & Saudi Arabia)
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To: mngran2
Why so many people are ready to vilify our political opponents before our actual enemies I’ll never understand.

The Democrats ARE on our list of actual enemies...foreign AND DOMESTIC.

That being said, however, I don't trust this guy. I watched a show on PBS called "Showdown With Iran" and he was interviewed...he believes 9/11 was a Bush conspiracy and is a supporter of the hardline regime. So I'm not inclined to believe anything he says.
31 posted on 12/12/2007 4:02:25 PM PST by G8 Diplomat (Creatures are divided into 6 kingdoms: Animalia, Plantae, Fungi, Monera, Protista, & Saudi Arabia)
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To: mngran2; Allegra; carlr; wallcrawlr; Tatze; TrueKnightGalahad; blackie; Larry Lucido; Diplomat; ...
Re: If politics really should stop at the water’s edge, then we at least have to give our Countrymen the benefit of the doubt before we believe an avowed enemy of our nation.

Gadzooks, mngran! Have you heard what... these Democrats you call "our Countrymen" have been saying for the past five or six years?

I stopped giving the Liberal Democrats... the benefit of the doubt when they took the North's side in the Vietnam War. You do recall that one, don't you?

32 posted on 12/12/2007 4:05:30 PM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: mngran2

he believes 9/11 was a Bush conspiracy and is a supporter of the hardline regime

Just checked my sources and this was actually a different guy I'm thinking of who said this, not Rafsanjani. But still, I wouldn't believe him either.
33 posted on 12/12/2007 4:05:36 PM PST by G8 Diplomat (Creatures are divided into 6 kingdoms: Animalia, Plantae, Fungi, Monera, Protista, & Saudi Arabia)
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To: mngran2; avacado
Re: Why so many people are ready to vilify our political opponents before our actual enemies I’ll never understand.

Again, what planet have you been on for the past decade or three? The Liberal Democrats have sided with just about every enemy the United States has since World War Two ended.

Tell me, just who do you and avacado consider our enemies? You two certainly have a strange set of values for posting on a basically Conservative Republican website that considers 'Merde' French for Democrat.

34 posted on 12/12/2007 4:13:16 PM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Bender2; mngran2
"Tell me, just who do you and avacado consider our enemies? You two certainly have a strange set of values for posting on a basically Conservative Republican website that considers 'Merde' French for Democrat."

Dude, calm down! All I did was post a fact the the NIE report was declassified by the Bush Admin and not leaked as that Iranian kook was suggesting. You did read the article, right?

35 posted on 12/12/2007 4:18:54 PM PST by avacado
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To: avacado
NIE's have been around a long time but reads as if they are not called for regularly.

I was not trying to prove you wrong, which I didn't. I was just curious so searched NIC.

Spent some time at the site today and there is even an estimate up to 2015. Funny thing is some one wrote a fake letter from binLaden to a fake grandchild in 2015.

At least a thousand people worked on this 2015 estimate over several years. Can you imagine the cost of such a project?

36 posted on 12/12/2007 4:21:36 PM PST by BARLF
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To: BARLF
I am glad you posted that link about the NIE history. I learned a lot from it. What I posted I was recalling from various things I had read.

Glad you did the checking.

An NIE Report for 2015? You have the link for that? It should be a fun/humorous read.

37 posted on 12/12/2007 4:26:50 PM PST by avacado
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To: avacado
I see I misunderstood and made a boo-boo. My apologies, but I still wonder what planet mngran2 is spending his time on between his comments.

Silly of me, but I kinda go nuts when I see someone defending the Liberal Democrats who have not done any harm to our enemies at all while their actions have helped kill our men and women in uniform since Vietnam and they have kept it up right in to Iraq.

To me, 'Merde' is not near enough French for what I think about those traitors!

38 posted on 12/12/2007 4:33:38 PM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: avacado

An NIE Report for 2015?

http://www.dni.gov/nic/NIC_globaltrend2015.html

President Bush probably did ask for the NIE Report. In time of war it could help, the thing now is, State, CIA and democrats hate Bush and want him to lose regardless the issue. Even the security of our country. JMHO


39 posted on 12/12/2007 4:40:23 PM PST by BARLF
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To: Bender2

No problem. And yes I agree 100% with you that the Democrats are treasonous traitors to this country. It’s more than obvious at this point.


40 posted on 12/12/2007 4:54:13 PM PST by avacado
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To: Bender2

Gracious, I am amazed once again that people (that means you, Bender2) get so tied up in knots when I simply say I’ll give my fellow countrymen (i.e., Democrats, some of whom are my neighbors and co-workers) the benefit of the doubt before I believe the word of some radical Islamic fundamentalist from Iran. But if you’d rather automatically take the side of the Islamofacists before looking for evidence, go right ahead. Ever stopped to think that sowing division and distrust among Americans is part of the Islamists plan to hurt us?


41 posted on 12/12/2007 4:55:00 PM PST by mngran2
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To: knighthawk

“Ahmadinejad is harmless” bump


42 posted on 12/12/2007 6:00:17 PM PST by Dajjal
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To: paudio

Yea, i find it curious also that Chomsky an overated intellectual that plays fast and loose with facts seems to have received the same information.


43 posted on 12/12/2007 7:53:54 PM PST by Archon of the East (Universal Executive Power of the Law of Nature)
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To: knighthawk

Thanks for the ping.


44 posted on 12/12/2007 7:53:56 PM PST by GOPJ (Dems! Would you trust a pilot's wife to land a plane just because she's a frequent flyer??)
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To: mngran2; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Chanticleer; RockinRight; TrueKnightGalahad; blackie
Re: Ever stopped to think that sowing division and distrust among Americans is part of the Islamists plan to hurt us?

Then I guess we are facing a mighty brilliant Islamic brain-trust as they must have stared sewing this distrust of the Liberal Democrats' traitorous activities back in 1968 when they and the new media said we lost the Tet Offensive.

Listening to you, perhaps we should just give up now and have our wives, daughters and granddaughters fitted for Berkers!

And BTW as to (i.e., Democrats, some of whom are my neighbors and co-workers) if they want to vote for the Democrats, I will still tell them they are voting for traitors intent on destroying what is left of the America I was born into and have lived for the past 60 years. I don't need any foreign source to tell me that, the Liberal Democrats have proven that over and over again in the past 40 years.

I have immediate family that are still Yellow Dog Democrats and I have stopped talking to them. I find it is a waste of breath and effort to try and talk any sense to them as I figure the same applies to you, old sport.

If you are dead set on giving all Democrats 'the benefit of the doubt' after all the years of mounting evidence of their traitorous ways, then you might as run up the white flag and start voting with them. They already have you by the mental shorthairs.

45 posted on 12/13/2007 8:10:56 AM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Bender2
Bendie my pal, either you're intentionally ignoring the point of my posts just to have someone to argue with or you're really obtuse. I don't disagree with anything you've said about Democrats, but yet I still trust them more than Islamofacists. That's as concise as I can make my point. I hope you understand.
46 posted on 12/13/2007 9:47:57 AM PST by mngran2
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To: knighthawk

Information on Rafsanjani from a Newsmax article:

Newsmax sources in Tehran believe that Ahmadinejad has come out on top of a recent power struggle with his chief rival, former President Ali Akbar Hashemi-Rafsanjani, who has portrayed himself as a “pragmatist” willing to come to an accommodation with the West.

But other sources believe that Rafsanjani continues to play a major role in checking Ahmadinejad’s power, and could succeed in toppling him before his presidential term expires in the spring of 2009.

On Wednesday, Rafsanjani said that he believed the NIE had been “issued either by the Democrats or independent groups,” since it concluded that Iran did not intend to acquire nuclear weapons.

One clear sign of the behind-the-scenes jockeying for power was the forced resignation last week of a Rafsanjani protégé, Gen. Mohammad Baqer Zolqadr, from his position as deputy interior minister in charge of intelligence affairs.

Gen. Zolqadr, a former deputy commander of the Revolutionary Guards, rallied to the Rafsanjani camp along with his former boss, Gen. Mohsen Rezai.

He is best known for his role in providing training and support to al-Qaida during the 1990s, when Osama bin Laden was still based in the Sudan, as I reported in my 2005 book, Countdown to Crisis: the Coming Nuclear Showdown with Iran.

Adding to the confusion were rumors of a foiled assassination plot against Rafsanjani last week, when his convoy was attacked by armed men who succeeding in wounding two bodyguards. Apparently forewarned, Rafsanjani was traveling separately in an unmarked car when the convoy was attacked.

Ahmadinejad was summoned to the residence of Supreme Leader ayatollah Khamenei on Thursday, Dec. 6, during the early morning hours, just as the Zolqadr controversy was brewing.

He cut short an official visit to Ilam province to make the meeting and was accompanied by body guards from the Ansar-e Mehdi, a special unit of the Revolutionary Guards Corps that is personally loyal to him.

“The regime is nervous that the US and the Europeans have spies inside the nuclear program,” said Sardar Haddad, an Iranian dissident living in the United States.

The shadowy kabuki dance would appear to be an effort to smoke out the positions – and the vulnerabilities - of various Iranian leaders.

Haddad pointed to the arrest earlier this year of former nuclear negotiator Hossein Mousavian, whom Ahmadinejad accused in public of being an American spy.

“The Mousavian business is serious. He has been attacked because he is close to Rafsanjani,” Haddad told Newsmax.

According to one interpretation, each faction in Tehran is trying to blame the other for having leaked real information that wound up in the NIE. According to another, each side is trying to take credit for having passed off false information to the CIA.

Despite the spying charges, Moussavian was later released, a move seen in Tehran as a defeat for Ahmadinejad and his faction.

“It is true that they have rolled up U.S. [intelligence] networks in Iran,” said Haddad. “But they have also found people who were just about to defect, and have given them bogus info to feed to the Americans and to other intelligence services, to give a wrong impression of Iran’s nuclear weapons program.”


47 posted on 12/15/2007 8:32:50 AM PST by G8 Diplomat (Creatures are divided into 6 kingdoms: Animalia, Plantae, Fungi, Monera, Protista, & Saudi Arabia)
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