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The Episcopal Church losing many congregations
Ocala Star-Banner ^ | December 12, 2007 | LASHONDA STINSON

Posted on 12/12/2007 2:17:53 PM PST by Fido969

"The problem in our church [national] is about the lack of respect for the authority of scripture and the nature, character and work of Jesus Christ," said Curran, an Episcopal priest for 15 years. "It's about the failed leadership of The Episcopal Church and whether or not we will continue to be under the authority of a failed leadership. And for many of us, the answer is no."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: ecusa; episcopalchurch; fl; homosexualagenda; homosexualbishop; proabortion; prochoice; schism; tec
Someone should tell those American Episcopal Leaders: The Bible was written to change the sinner - NOT the other way around.
1 posted on 12/12/2007 2:17:54 PM PST by Fido969
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To: Fido969

I’m starting to see the same thing in different areas of the Catholic Church.

There is a growing “peace and justice” wing that seems to exercise a disproportionate amount of strength in certain geographical areas.


2 posted on 12/12/2007 2:33:56 PM PST by MplsSteve
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To: MplsSteve

Our church in VA left the Episcopal Church and is now part of the Anglican Mission in America.....


3 posted on 12/12/2007 2:37:36 PM PST by Gopher Broke (Run Fred, Run http://www.fred08.com/)
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To: Fido969

The Episcopal church has become a lot like FORD or Miller Beer, too much support for the homosexual agenda.
Hope they all fail.


4 posted on 12/12/2007 2:37:57 PM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Fido969
Someone should tell those American Episcopal Leaders: The Bible was written to change the sinner - NOT the other way around.

Some years ago I coined the phrase "The church was made to change people's minds; not change itself to suit peoples minds".

Glad we agree!

5 posted on 12/12/2007 2:41:19 PM PST by bcsco ("The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.")
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To: MplsSteve
I’m starting to see the same thing in different areas of the Catholic Church. There is a growing “peace and justice” wing that seems to exercise a disproportionate amount of strength in certain geographical areas.

Maybe you just didn't notice it earlier. The leaders of the liberal and largely dissident Catholic movement are mostly graying, although they have succeeded in doing a lot of damage.

I was an Episcopalian before I was a Catholic. In some ways, the Catholic Church led the way into dissent after Vatican 2, and the Episcopal Church unfortunately followed their lead. But the difference is that the Catholic Church has the Pope and the Magisterium, while the Episcopal Church for many years has been a warm & fuzzy consensus with no real leadership.

You could say that the Archbishop of Canterbury runs the show, but he doesn't have that much influence, even in England, and certainly not over the whole Anglican communion. He only has moral suasion, and over the years most of that has been kicked away.

As a result, the Catholic Church will recover, but the Episcopal Church may not.

6 posted on 12/12/2007 2:49:22 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

We still have WAAAYYY too many lefties in the parish, as bishops - we have our own pederast-enabler in NH - Bishop McCormack, and some cardinals (mahoney in LA and whatever his name is in Boston - who JUST recently found his voice and made a statement about pro-abortionist Catholics). We have a LONG way to go.


7 posted on 12/12/2007 3:00:52 PM PST by NHResident
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To: Cicero
As a result, the Catholic Church will recover, but the Episcopal Church may not.

Thanks for the good news. As a "cradle Catholic" I needed to hear that reasoning.

8 posted on 12/12/2007 3:01:19 PM PST by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: MplsSteve
I’m starting to see the same thing in different areas of the Catholic Church.

American bishops are, in the lump, not going to inspire many of the faithful. Still, about the time these bozos actually make a case for abortion or the homosexual agenda, they will finally lose me and a large number of the folks I know.

9 posted on 12/12/2007 3:04:46 PM PST by stevem
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To: IronJack

Try reading the article before posting. It helps.


11 posted on 12/12/2007 3:14:38 PM PST by bonfire
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To: Huber; sionnsar

ping


13 posted on 12/12/2007 3:23:27 PM PST by PAR35
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To: IronJack

I see morals aren’t your strong point either.

I’ll pray for you.


14 posted on 12/12/2007 3:28:51 PM PST by bonfire
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To: Fido969
It is all about money ($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$).

Episcopalian leadership controls vast resources of phenomenal financial wealth in the form of land and securities. As members flee they surrender these assets to thankful leaders of a perverted church.

Episcopalian clergy have long gravitated to churches for employment and shelter from reality. Would you hire such people? Yet over time they have quietly assumed total control over all these vast episcopalian business resources. It is a fine glorious life for such thieves.

It is shear folly for the remnant to imagine they are sincere about their congregations’ grace, salvation and redemption. No! Forgive the sin and sinner, whatever!.. The fight is over the buildings and assets, not the hearts of men for Christ! When their day is done, they control the church KEY. It is all about their money now. Tuff if you don’t like it.

God will protect the fleeing remnant and offer the door to hell for such cafeteria christians.

15 posted on 12/12/2007 3:47:27 PM PST by Broker (Grandpa Petti Bones wants to know.)
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To: NHResident

The difference is that the Catholic Church has rogue bishops and rogue priests. But the Episcopal Church has appointed to pro-gay woman as presiding bishop of ECUSA.

And the Archbishop of Canterbury, chosen by Tony Blair and appointed at his order by the Queen, is also pro-gay, although he is currently lying low because he doesn’t want to be seen to preside over a complete disintegration of the Church he has been chosen to lead. But his is a strategic withdrawal, not a return to orthodoxy.

The Catholic Church would have to elect Nancy Pelosi as Pope to reach a similar dismal situation. That is not likely.

In other words, the Catholic Church is dragged down by its share of sinners and unfaithful shepherds, but the Episcopal Church is now actually run by heretics. There’s a difference.


16 posted on 12/12/2007 3:50:37 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: MplsSteve

Actually, the peace and justice wing is being overshadowed by the conservative wing, thank God.


17 posted on 12/12/2007 3:54:37 PM PST by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: Fido969
We left, but it wasn’t because some church up North decided to ordain homosexuals, it was because it became all political on both sides.
18 posted on 12/12/2007 3:58:10 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Gopher Broke

And we in our congregation to the west of Chicago left and are now sheltered under Uganda’s oversight. It’s not been easy, but I think it is worth it. Visit us at www.resurrection.org


19 posted on 12/12/2007 3:59:21 PM PST by Ray'sBeth
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To: Ray'sBeth
I know several churches that are under the African Episcopal diocese and have heard great things. If we weren’t happy in our new home church (nondenominational) we would check it out. I miss the reverence of the Anglican service.
20 posted on 12/12/2007 4:01:28 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Gopher Broke

My daughter’s father-in-law is an AMiA bishop.


21 posted on 12/12/2007 4:24:23 PM PST by Alice in Wonderland (Hey, Rudy, remember Neponsit?)
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To: pissant

It helps having a rock-ribbed conservative Pope. Benedict is doing very well in my opinion, not that my opinion counts for much.


22 posted on 12/12/2007 4:32:57 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: RinaseaofDs

He is very solid. I pray he stays around a long time.


23 posted on 12/12/2007 4:33:59 PM PST by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: Fido969

I wonder why someone (who has money) does not start a foundation to help people take back their churches. Surely there is a way to do that instead of just leaving. I suspect many people are just afraid to confront the rhetoric of the lefties and can’t argue with them. Really all they need to do is say NO NO and NO. Leaving is to easy.


24 posted on 12/12/2007 4:41:52 PM PST by bilhosty
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To: bonfire
I see morals aren’t your strong point either.

What are you talking about?????

I’ll pray for you.

Save an "amen" for yourself, brother. Better yet, save one for your psychiatrist. He's had to hire an apprentice.

25 posted on 12/12/2007 5:01:42 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: bilhosty
Really all they need to do is say NO NO and NO.

Both the ECUSA and the PCUSA have a national tactic of scorched earth litigation. The most notable current litigation involves a number of former Episcopal churches in northern Virginia who followed the process set out by the local bishop, and were still sued. (They sue not only the corporate body, but some individual members of the church).

Also of note is the litigation surrounding the former PCUSA church in Tulsa, Oklahoma (Kirk of the Hills) that left for the Evangelical Presbyterian church. That litigation has been ongoing for a little over a year.

Two Presbyterian churches in California appear to have settled litigation this week, at a cost of some $600,000. The former Episcopal church in Savannah, Ga, was sued a few weeks ago.

So your 'just say no' strategy is unlikely to work.

I can dig out some more litigation related info, if you need it.

26 posted on 12/12/2007 5:11:06 PM PST by PAR35
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To: PAR35

obviously leaving is problematical. why cant they take back the church. That was my point. Dont leave but fight to regain control.


27 posted on 12/12/2007 5:42:33 PM PST by bilhosty
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To: bilhosty
Dont leave but fight to regain control.

A good plan if you have a spare $500,000 or so to pay the lawyers.

28 posted on 12/12/2007 6:29:09 PM PST by PAR35
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To: PAR35
I guess if you all cant come up with 500,000 then you all deserve to lose control. I don't know why you would need 500,000 just to try to regain control of the Church though there should be some way. Different church’s have different rules surely some of them could regain control.
29 posted on 12/12/2007 7:01:30 PM PST by bilhosty
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