Skip to comments.The Episcopal Church losing many congregations
Posted on 12/12/2007 2:17:53 PM PST by Fido969
"The problem in our church [national] is about the lack of respect for the authority of scripture and the nature, character and work of Jesus Christ," said Curran, an Episcopal priest for 15 years. "It's about the failed leadership of The Episcopal Church and whether or not we will continue to be under the authority of a failed leadership. And for many of us, the answer is no."
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I’m starting to see the same thing in different areas of the Catholic Church.
There is a growing “peace and justice” wing that seems to exercise a disproportionate amount of strength in certain geographical areas.
Our church in VA left the Episcopal Church and is now part of the Anglican Mission in America.....
The Episcopal church has become a lot like FORD or Miller Beer, too much support for the homosexual agenda.
Hope they all fail.
Some years ago I coined the phrase "The church was made to change people's minds; not change itself to suit peoples minds".
Glad we agree!
Maybe you just didn't notice it earlier. The leaders of the liberal and largely dissident Catholic movement are mostly graying, although they have succeeded in doing a lot of damage.
I was an Episcopalian before I was a Catholic. In some ways, the Catholic Church led the way into dissent after Vatican 2, and the Episcopal Church unfortunately followed their lead. But the difference is that the Catholic Church has the Pope and the Magisterium, while the Episcopal Church for many years has been a warm & fuzzy consensus with no real leadership.
You could say that the Archbishop of Canterbury runs the show, but he doesn't have that much influence, even in England, and certainly not over the whole Anglican communion. He only has moral suasion, and over the years most of that has been kicked away.
As a result, the Catholic Church will recover, but the Episcopal Church may not.
We still have WAAAYYY too many lefties in the parish, as bishops - we have our own pederast-enabler in NH - Bishop McCormack, and some cardinals (mahoney in LA and whatever his name is in Boston - who JUST recently found his voice and made a statement about pro-abortionist Catholics). We have a LONG way to go.
Thanks for the good news. As a "cradle Catholic" I needed to hear that reasoning.
American bishops are, in the lump, not going to inspire many of the faithful. Still, about the time these bozos actually make a case for abortion or the homosexual agenda, they will finally lose me and a large number of the folks I know.
Try reading the article before posting. It helps.
I see morals aren’t your strong point either.
I’ll pray for you.
Episcopalian leadership controls vast resources of phenomenal financial wealth in the form of land and securities. As members flee they surrender these assets to thankful leaders of a perverted church.
Episcopalian clergy have long gravitated to churches for employment and shelter from reality. Would you hire such people? Yet over time they have quietly assumed total control over all these vast episcopalian business resources. It is a fine glorious life for such thieves.
It is shear folly for the remnant to imagine they are sincere about their congregations’ grace, salvation and redemption. No! Forgive the sin and sinner, whatever!.. The fight is over the buildings and assets, not the hearts of men for Christ! When their day is done, they control the church KEY. It is all about their money now. Tuff if you don’t like it.
God will protect the fleeing remnant and offer the door to hell for such cafeteria christians.
The difference is that the Catholic Church has rogue bishops and rogue priests. But the Episcopal Church has appointed to pro-gay woman as presiding bishop of ECUSA.
And the Archbishop of Canterbury, chosen by Tony Blair and appointed at his order by the Queen, is also pro-gay, although he is currently lying low because he doesn’t want to be seen to preside over a complete disintegration of the Church he has been chosen to lead. But his is a strategic withdrawal, not a return to orthodoxy.
The Catholic Church would have to elect Nancy Pelosi as Pope to reach a similar dismal situation. That is not likely.
In other words, the Catholic Church is dragged down by its share of sinners and unfaithful shepherds, but the Episcopal Church is now actually run by heretics. There’s a difference.
Actually, the peace and justice wing is being overshadowed by the conservative wing, thank God.
And we in our congregation to the west of Chicago left and are now sheltered under Uganda’s oversight. It’s not been easy, but I think it is worth it. Visit us at www.resurrection.org
My daughter’s father-in-law is an AMiA bishop.
It helps having a rock-ribbed conservative Pope. Benedict is doing very well in my opinion, not that my opinion counts for much.
He is very solid. I pray he stays around a long time.
I wonder why someone (who has money) does not start a foundation to help people take back their churches. Surely there is a way to do that instead of just leaving. I suspect many people are just afraid to confront the rhetoric of the lefties and can’t argue with them. Really all they need to do is say NO NO and NO. Leaving is to easy.
What are you talking about?????
Ill pray for you.
Save an "amen" for yourself, brother. Better yet, save one for your psychiatrist. He's had to hire an apprentice.
Both the ECUSA and the PCUSA have a national tactic of scorched earth litigation. The most notable current litigation involves a number of former Episcopal churches in northern Virginia who followed the process set out by the local bishop, and were still sued. (They sue not only the corporate body, but some individual members of the church).
Also of note is the litigation surrounding the former PCUSA church in Tulsa, Oklahoma (Kirk of the Hills) that left for the Evangelical Presbyterian church. That litigation has been ongoing for a little over a year.
Two Presbyterian churches in California appear to have settled litigation this week, at a cost of some $600,000. The former Episcopal church in Savannah, Ga, was sued a few weeks ago.
So your 'just say no' strategy is unlikely to work.
I can dig out some more litigation related info, if you need it.
obviously leaving is problematical. why cant they take back the church. That was my point. Dont leave but fight to regain control.
A good plan if you have a spare $500,000 or so to pay the lawyers.