Skip to comments.New campaign debate: Is Satan Jesus' brother?
Posted on 12/13/2007 12:10:33 AM PST by tessalu
WASHINGTON Satan has reared his ugly head in the 2008 presidential campaign literally. Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee has prompted angry denunciations of religious bigotry by rival Mitt Romney as well as an official retort from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for speculating in a New York Times Magazine interview this weekend that Mormons believe Jesus and Satan were brothers.
"On first hearing, the doctrine that Lucifer and our Lord, Jesus Christ, are brothers may seem surprising to some especially to those unacquainted with latter-day revelations," says the statement. "But both the scriptures and the prophets affirm that Jesus Christ and Lucifer are indeed offspring of our Heavenly Father and, therefore, spirit brothers. Jesus Christ was with the Father from the beginning. Lucifer, too, was an angel "who was in authority in the presence of God," a "son of the morning." (See Isa. 14:12; D&C 76:2527.) Both Jesus and Lucifer were strong leaders with great knowledge and influence. But as the Firstborn of the Father, Jesus was Lucifer's older brother. (See Col. 1:15; D&C 93:21.)"
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I’m gonna say no.
Yep, he was an angelic being, not the only begotten Son of God. But humans can be heirs of God, and joint heirs of Christ through his atonement. But its tough for people to believe that, because they have been so conditioned by the their corrupt nature that blinds them to their real potential through grace and redemption.
This may be a new campaign debate, but it is a very OLD heresy.
Jesus is God, the third person of the Trinity.
Satan is an angel, created by God and cast out of heaven. He is in rebellion and has lost the war. It is finished.
This is an area that should not be tread in US politics. There is no religious test required to hold public office nor SHOULD voters use it to select a candidate. I certainly don’t desire the US to be broken up into areas that select candidates because of their religion. It hasn’t done a lot of good for Iraq nor will it do any good for the USA. If a candidate is moral (average American morals) then I don’t care what religion they follow.
I’m not picking a leader who believes Satan is Jesus’ brother.
It shows real bad judgment.
I sort of suspect they mean in a spiritual rather than a physical sense.
The real issue here is not the Mormons view of Satan, its their view of Jesus.
People who obsess about this kind of stuff, really need to get a new hobby.
I'm with you. This other nonsense has no business in a presidential debate.
That’s fair enough, although bear in mind that a man’s religion (or indeed his lack of it) is a major factor in determining his morals, his attidudes and in his all round worldview.
attidudes = attitudes. sorry.
Please note what Mormon prophets and church officials have had to say about the matter. From their writings it is clear that they believed and taught that Jesus and Lucifer were brothers.
Bruce R. McConkie, in his work The Mortal Messiah, Vol.1, Pg.407-408 under the heading “ Lucifer and the Law of Temptation” has the following to say;
“Hence, there is — and must be — a devil, and he is the father of lies and of wickedness. He and the fallen angels who followed him are spirit children of the Father. As Christ is the Firstborn of the Father in the spirit, so Lucifer is a son of the morning, one of those born in the morning of preexistence. He is a spirit man, a personage, an entity, comparable in form and appearance to any of the spirit children of the Eternal Father. He was the source of opposition among the spirit hosts before the world was made; he rebelled in preexistence against the Father and the Son, and he sought even then to destroy the agency of man. He and his followers were cast down to earth, and they are forever denied mortal bodies. And he, here on earth, along with all who follow him — both his spirit followers and the mortals who hearken to his enticements — is continuing the war that commenced in heaven.”
Joseph Fielding Smith Jr.,the LDS prophet, wrote in his work, Doctrines of Salvation, Vol.2, Pg.218 -Pg.219
“We learn from the scriptures that Lucifer — once a son of the morning, who exercised authority in the presence of God before the foundations of this earth were laid — rebelled against the plan of salvation and against Jesus Christ who was chosen to be the Savior of the world and who is spoken of as the ‘Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.’” In the Discourses of Brigham Young, on Pg.53-54 he lets it be known that Lucifer is the second son, the one known as “Son of the Morning.”
“Who will redeem the earth, who will go forth and make the sacrifice for the earth and all things it contains?” The Eldest Son said: “Here am I”; and then he added, “Send me.” But the second one, which was “Lucifer, Son of the Morning,” said, “Lord, here am I, send me, I will redeem every son and daughter of Adam and Eve that lives on the earth, or that ever goes on the earth.”
Since Mormons are pretty well integrated into American society, I don't think there is going to be a major problem here. It isn't as if Romney is claiming that we need to sacrifice virgins every fortnight to stop the volcanoes from erupting or the Sun from rising.
As far as I'm concerned, if people want to reject Romney because of his religion, then they probably also want to reject Mormons from the US for not being American enough. There may be valid reasons to reject Romney, but religious beliefs are not one of them. It seems bizarre to me that anybody would argue that a country founded by the Pilgrims should exclude candidates for non-conformist religious beliefs.
“Don’t damn me, bro!”
I don’t know about you, but I would have a hard time voting for a Muslim, especially during these times.
We have probably had atheist and agnostic presidents, but they didn’t admit it and pretended to be Christians because they knew the electorate would never vote for an unbeliever. Of course, some of our presidents during the early republic may have been Deists.
It is true the US constitution prohibits a legal religious test for office, but that does not extend to the electorate. Any of us are free to vote on any basis we want, including religion, race, hair or eye color, or anything else.
Once, years ago, my mother and I were watching a political commercial on TV. I made a comment about the candidate, and she said, “I could never vote for him. Thin lips.”
well hillary is the wicked spawn of satan... and doesnt she claim to be a christian?
i find it hard to believe the candidates. seems like its the it thing to be religious.
The truth is a mighty powerful thing. Amen
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