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A tale of two shootings
The Potomac News ^ | December 13, 2007 | Charles Reichley

Posted on 12/13/2007 7:54:13 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT

Last April, an unbelievable tragedy unfolded in Blacksburg. A student, armed and angry, plotted and carried out a brutal assault on the students and faculty at Virginia Tech. After an early morning attack which left two people dead, he locked the doors to an academic building, and then moved methodically from room to room, shooting the occupants while they sat, stood, hid or attempted to flee.

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This Sunday, another unbelievable tragedy unfolded in Colorado. A young man, armed and angry, plotted and carried out a brutal assault on members of a Christian mission organization and a church. After an early morning attack which left two people dead, he drove to the church, killed two people in the parking lot, and then entered the building where people were worshipping.

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But something was different in Colorado, something that kept the Colorado shooting from being an unfathomable bloodbath. In that Colorado church, they did not prohibit handguns. Instead, they had volunteer church members with permits to carry weapons, armed and ready.

When the killer arrived, church members had a better option than trying to hold the door closed, or hiding under a desk waiting for police. One of the volunteers stood fast, took aim, and took down the murderer before a single person inside the building was harmed.

... I doubt any of the victims at Tech, or in the Omaha mall, died thinking "I'm glad people aren't allowed to carry guns here."

... The police do their best, but they can't protect you. Mall security can't protect you. A legally armed responsible citizen is the best hope against killers. The killers know this and target "gun-free" environments. It's time we took away their "gun-free" "killing fields."

(Excerpt) Read more at potomacnews.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Colorado; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: banglist; churchshooting; criticallythinking; gungrabbers; newlifechurch; schoolshooting; vatech; virginiatech
This is my column from this week's Potomac News. I tie together Va Tech, the Colorado shootings, along with the Omaha mall shooting, a shooting in detroit last week where a 7-year-old almost died protecting her mother, and a local shooting this past weekend involving an illegal immigrant where the victim was saved because another guy took the bullets for her.

In the detroit shooting, a mother was being shot by an ex-boyfriend and the 7-year-old jumped between him and her mother to protect her. She was shot multiple times but survived.

In Omaha, the mall was a gun-free zone, and nobody had a weapon. 8 people were killed, then the guy was shot by the only person with a weapon -- himself.

In Woodbridge, an illegal immigrant ex-boyfriend came into the house, nobody had a gun. One guy died shielding the mother and her child from the gunman, who was later arrested in Pennsylvania.

The editors, in their opinion link section, added the following tag to my story: "What a difference a handgun in the right hands makes."

Unfortunately, even though it's my article, I need to excerpt it. Go to the link to see the entire article, I just grabbed the highlights here (the whole thing is only 750 words or so).

Thanks.

1 posted on 12/13/2007 7:54:15 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Contrast this with another post today on FR from "another point of view: How many will die before we learn?
2 posted on 12/13/2007 7:55:40 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Nice editorial. Thanks for writing it.


3 posted on 12/13/2007 7:57:56 AM PST by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Is this “Potomac” as in suburban DC?


4 posted on 12/13/2007 7:59:48 AM PST by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

Yes. It also appears in the Manassas Journal-Messenger. (pretty much the same paper, but sometimes they have different items).


5 posted on 12/13/2007 8:01:04 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Very nicely written article.


6 posted on 12/13/2007 8:03:39 AM PST by wastedyears (Duncan Hunter is like a cheeseburger and fries. Simple presentation with no frills.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Well said, sir. Thanks.


7 posted on 12/13/2007 8:07:52 AM PST by Dudoight
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To: wastedyears

Nice.


8 posted on 12/13/2007 8:09:11 AM PST by IGOTMINE (1911s FOREVER!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I’ve heard the Omaha mall was a gun free zone and I’ve heard it wasn’t a gun free zone. Is there proof it is a gun free zone?


9 posted on 12/13/2007 8:19:46 AM PST by 300magnum (God grants liberty only to those who love it, and are always ready to guard and defend it. D.Webster)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

bump


10 posted on 12/13/2007 8:20:18 AM PST by VOA
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To: CharlesWayneCT
I thoroughly agree with your viewpoint, and wrote on the same subject myself.

Congressman Billybob

Latest article, "Does Charles Gibson Want You Shot?"

A Freeper in Congress? Please act now.

11 posted on 12/13/2007 8:23:34 AM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

they had volunteer church members with permits to carry weapons, armed and ready.


Fantastic work! And I like the way you accurately conveyed the facts in the phrase above.


12 posted on 12/13/2007 8:41:04 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them, I won't chip away at them" -Mitt Romney)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Here’s another thought about the Colorado shootings.

Scene 1:
Church A
Armed citizens present: No
2 innocents killed, killer escapes.

Scene 2:
Parking lot
Armed citizens present: No
2 innocents killed, killer escapes.

Scene 3:
Church B
Armed citizens present: Yes
0 innocents killed. Killer stopped (permanently.)


13 posted on 12/13/2007 8:44:52 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them, I won't chip away at them" -Mitt Romney)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Very good, but two points.... 1) Someone WAS injured but not killed inside the church, the unarmed man (Larry Bourbonnais, a combat-tested Vietnam veteran) who diverted attention of the shooter before he could start shooting others and gave Jeanne Assam a better chance of succeeding was hit in the shoulder when his diversion succeeded and he ducked behind concealment but not cover. 2) CCW permits are NOT required in Colorado to carry a weapon (except in Denver. Boulder has some asinine law about a firearm being in a case marked “gun” but I’m unsure how that affects carry) So Jeanne had one is a fact, but I think it’s nice to point out that it was not needed to carry, only to carry concealed, which did not come into play in this instance at all since she had already drawn before she came around the corner and confonted the shooter.


14 posted on 12/13/2007 9:04:12 AM PST by logic (Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE conservative candidate!!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Well done, Sir.


15 posted on 12/13/2007 9:28:11 AM PST by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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To: logic

Thanks for the info. In all the news articles I read, none of them mentioned the victim inside the church. If I had known that, I would have worded that section more accurately — it’s the problem with writing about recent events, by the time the article gets published you always have more facts than when you wrote it.

Virginia has similar carry laws. Anybody can carry a weapon openly, but you need a permit to conceal it.


16 posted on 12/13/2007 9:28:12 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Virginia has similar carry laws. Anybody can carry a weapon openly, but you need a permit to conceal it.

That's what I love about AZ!!

Took a few, but I found this link inside this thread at post # 402....

17 posted on 12/13/2007 9:43:05 AM PST by logic (Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE conservative candidate!!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Thank you for a well pointed article. Arm yourself and keep the articles flowing...


18 posted on 12/13/2007 10:09:10 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (A few Rams must look after the sheep 'til the Good Shepherd returns...)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Great column!


19 posted on 12/13/2007 10:23:27 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: logic
CCW permits are NOT required in Colorado to carry a weapon...

Colorado expressly allows one to carry a concealed weapon (firearm) under the following circumstances (see C.R.S. sec. 18-12-105):

1) in his own dwelling or place of business, or on property under his control at the time of the act of carrying; or

2) in a private automobile or other private means of conveyance for lawful protection of his or another's person or property while traveling; or

3) when one is a permit holder;

4) when one is a peace officer; or

5) when one is a federal probation officer, or pre-trial services officer, within the scope of his duties.

Any other situation requires a CCW Permit.

20 posted on 12/13/2007 10:35:17 AM PST by ironwill (I want my daddy's records.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Excellent point! I just sent this to my VA delegate and senator, asking them to make it EASIER to carry guns for responsible citizens.......


21 posted on 12/13/2007 11:08:03 AM PST by Gopher Broke (Run Fred, Run http://www.fred08.com/)
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To: ironwill
Any other situation requires a CCW Permit.

You forgot:

6) Open Carry

22 posted on 12/13/2007 11:43:30 AM PST by logic (Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE conservative candidate!!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

bmflr, I like what I see so far.

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According to Intrade, the winner of yesterday’s GOP debate was... Duncan Hunter.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1938773/posts


23 posted on 12/13/2007 1:58:11 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Gilbo_3

I don’t think I could shoot someone, and since I don’t having a gun wouldn’t be a good thing.

Maybe I’ll regret that some day. I have been in a confrontation before, but the man didn’t have a gun, and there were two of us against him, and we were just biding our time hoping the police would get there.


24 posted on 12/13/2007 9:28:48 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
I don’t think I could shoot someone, and since I don’t having a gun wouldn’t be a good thing.

I understand and respect that. Just hate to see someone in a situation where they second guess themselves thinking, 'damn I wish I had a gun...'

I offer this reasoning though, at least arm up for the 'mercy' shot on the crippled deer [being mindful of the asphalt etc] or the loose dog that comes by and threatens you or your neighbors. at least then you would have the options if needed... thanks again for the pro choice article...

25 posted on 12/14/2007 5:31:36 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (A few Rams must look after the sheep 'til the Good Shepherd returns...)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Very nicely done!..Thanks!!


26 posted on 12/14/2007 5:34:27 AM PST by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter...President '08)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Good editorial. There was a person who had taken the CCW training, but had not gotten a permit, at the Oklahoma shooting. They said they had the perfect shot at the perpetrator, but did not have a gun. (they had not gotten around to sending in the application, and the mall banned guns anyway)

You can find there account on freerepublic, I believe.

27 posted on 12/14/2007 5:53:38 PM PST by marktwain
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