Posted on 12/14/2007 2:08:19 PM PST by FocusNexus
People influenced by the likes of Frank Gaffney stood in the way of the Dubai ports deal. The Club for Growth doesn’t want a “fair-trade populist” like Huck standing in the way of the “free trade” with places like Red China.
Yes I agree with you that there are many who disagree with the federalist approach with respect to abortion. However, many Republicans feel that federalism is one of the basic principles of conservatism. My point was just that although Huckabee and Hillary are on opposite polls with respect to the life issue their solution is the same... central control. If there is ever a consensus the Constitution describes the federal role and limitations.
I probably should, but I don’t recognize the term “Moby-Ed”.
Your comments about demoninations push for Huckabee might play into it, but you state you haven’t seen any of this yet. I just wonder why this guy is so popular. Are people that turned out, and just voting because of a sound bite or two?
Good post!
I respectfully disagree. Christ said, “You shall know them by their fruits.” IOW, actions speak louder than words. Huckabee has a TERRIBLE record and has consistently LIED about numerous things (raising taxes, in-state tuition for illegals, pardoning over a thousand criminals, including his lobbying for a convicted murderer and rapist DESPITE A FACE-TO-FACE appeal by his victim, receiving gifts, misuse of funds). He was actually condemned at least five times for ETHICS VIOLATIONS.
Oh, but he’s a “Good Christian” and one of us. What’s the point when all a criminal needed to do was proclaim he was “born again” while incarcerated and he could obtain a pardon from Huckabee? He will increase government, raise taxes, and think all that needs to be done is be “nice” to dictators in order to get them to like us. The LAST thing the world needs is another Jimmy Carter. The last thing we need is another Bill Clinton, who speaks piously but can’t seem to tell right from wrong.
Lastly, while Huckabee has successfully conned the majority of Evangelicals into his pocket, he has failed utterly among the non-Evangelical conservatives. According to figures, only 1 in 7 nonevangelicals in Iowa and 1 in 20 nonevangelicals in New Hampshire support him. Do you know why? Because there is NO WAY nonevangelicals would want a Baptist PASTOR to become POTUS. Absolutely, no friggin way.
So, I promise you this, if Huckabee gets the Republican nomination, he will be CRUSHED by whoever the Democratic candidate is. Better to have a Democrat in the White House than a theocrat.
Moby is the “musician” that advocated intentionally misleading pollsters to sew chaos in the election process.
As to the other part, there are so many ways things are spread within the various communities of Christians that it is just possible that I wasn’t in the right part of activity center when the message was passed(only sort of joking here) The spontaneous email forwards that I have gotten in the past from seemingly reasonable Christians make me believe that two old church ladies with a party line could bring down the government if they realized how much power they actually have!
Thanks. I understand now.
As for the church ladies, that’s a hoot and probably a lot of truth in it.
GOP pollster Tony Fabrizio estimates that half of Republican voters are evangelical or born again. These voters can run the party but only in coalition with others. If they go it alone, they end up isolating themselves. And while they have come a long way--which is why this time their favorite candidate has been a Governor and not only a preacher--they haven't come far enough to guarantee Huckabee the nomination. They could end up instead handing the GOP to Giuliani--probably the last thing they want.
Damn straight. Huckabee is as conservative as Jimmy Carter, the last evangelical to get elected by evangelicals(how did that work for ya?). At least Bush was for cutting taxes and showed up with a much needed "screw turning the other cheek" attitude after 911. Nope, the evangelicals are asking for another Carter. And if they try to go it alone, they will go it alone. Anybody but the Huckster.
“It is not the govt’s job to provide for people.”
If you will read some of his sermons delivered to Baptist groups in the past, you will find that Huckabee doesn’t think it is the place of government to provide for people either. He has stated that it was a failure of Christianity (the church) to provide for the poor that made government to assume that role. He sees “big government” to be the failure of Christianity. Also, if the “church” had of done a better job of preaching morals, instead of entertainment, then less government would be needed. A “moral” people require very little governement because the police themselves. Government is really only needed to corral the lawless and amoral.
“Ann Coulter was just on John Gibson’s Show and she said HUCKABEE IS THE REPUBLICAN’S ....JIMMY CARTER!”
With all due respect to the miniskirted Ann Coulter, she doesn’t know much about Southern Baptists. President Carter was part of the liberal side of Southern Baptists that have been purged (Carter and his church in Georgia no longer associate with the SBC). Huckabee is a conservative Southern Baptist and has a record of being a unifier both as a preacher and politician.
I cannot say definitively that Mike Huckabee is the best thing for America...I just don’t have that much faith in my own judgement and lack of bias.
I am inclined to think he will be a unifier, as much as anyone can be, without selling out his base values.
Some have suggested he is too “religious” for the average American. That probably a true statement, but it is also an inditment about how backsliden America has become. He would not have been seen as too religious 50 years ago.
Maybe the link changed.
Maybe you cut stuff from the article in a way I didn't appeciate.
Whatever...
... but the lines of the article that YOU posted seemed flat out anti-Republican.
And I respectfully submit that you need to read less spin and look at the detailed facts in each of these allegations- and NOT from biased sources. When one does, I believe they will see they are not as spun. BTW - The ethics violations are things dug up by Democrats to defeat him in reelection. Do you really want to be using their material? The people of Arkansas didn’t buy these allegations and reelected him.
Also, I don’t think he “pardoned” over a thousand criminals. He may have commuted sentences, but that is not a pardon. However, before I get myself in too deep here...I’m also speaking from ignorance. So, I’m not the right person to be an apologist for Mike Huckabee.
As I have told others, I cannot say with certainty that he is the best or right candidate to be president. However, I can say that, IMO, many of the attacks on him are unwarranted and a result of candidates and their supporters not being able to deal with the fact, that at this time, they are losing.
As an “evangelical”, I am having what I have suspected for years concerning the GOP confirmed to me in all of this. Namely, that the GOP has “suckered” the evangelical community with “talk” but no real change in the direction evangelicals desire. The GOP was glad to have the evagelical support, but they don’t want them to have any say. Of course, I must remember that FR is not truly representative of the average GOP voter. Many here “think” they are more “informed.” In reality they are just more opinionated.
I just checked the link and it IS to the article I posted.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1694486,00.html
I think I did excerpt from various parts, rather than posting the first couple of paragraphs.
The article quotes Huckabee directly — I posted some of what he actually said, which indeed is NOT in line with Republican ideals — that was exactly the point.
Also, the author, Ponnuru, is a senior editor at the National Review.
“Like it or not, the vast majority of Republicans are Christian, and as such have never been comfortable with Rudy, the gay-loving atheistic gun grabber, or Mitt “Stormin Mormon” Romney. People are beginning to see Huckabee as a viable candidate, and as such he is the natural candidate for them to gravitate toward.”
I agree with your premise. Though, I don’t think that the majority of republicans are Christian. I think a “significant” minority are (25-40%), and they are the ones that always vote and do the real grassroots work.
He’ll not be our nominee...
Sounds like Huck is channeling John Edwards.
I realize that pi**es you off, but you'll just have to live with it.
“Huckabee had a different message: “For many people on this stage, the economy’s doing terrifically well, but for a lot of Americans, it’s not doing so well.”
Sounds like Huck is channeling John Edwards.”
I had the same impression — two Americas, the rich and the poor — let’s have some class warfare going. Both Edwards nd Huckabee seem to have the same ideas on this.
The Huckster is worthless, but sure looks purty to those used to following preachers.
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