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NJ requires flu shots for preschoolers (socialized medicine - no shot - no preschool)
San Luis Obispo ^ | 12/14/07 | LINDA A. JOHNSON

Posted on 12/14/2007 3:55:42 PM PST by Libloather

NJ requires flu shots for preschoolers
By LINDA A. JOHNSON
Associated Press Writer

TRENTON, N.J. --New Jersey on Friday became the first state to require flu shots for preschoolers, saying their developing immune systems and likelihood of spreading germs make them as vulnerable to complications as the elderly.

State Health Commissioner Dr. Fred M. Jacobs approved the requirement and three other vaccines for school children starting Sept. 1, 2008, over the objections of some parent groups.

The new requirements "will have a direct impact on reducing illnesses, hospitalizations and deaths in one of New Jersey's most vulnerable populations - our children," Jacobs said in a statement.

A health advisory board Monday backed the new requirements on a 5-2 vote with one abstention after parents said they worried about the safety of giving young children dozens of vaccine doses. Some also say they don't want government making their medical decisions.

Starting in September, all children attending preschool or licensed day care centers will have to get an annual flu shot, Jacobs said. That makes New Jersey the first state to require flu shots for preschoolers or older students, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics.

New Jersey also will require preschoolers to get a pneumococcal vaccine and sixth-graders to get vaccines against meningitis, which New Jersey already requires for college dormitory residents, and a booster shot against whooping cough, which in recent years has seen a resurgence blamed on waning potency of shots given to infants and preschoolers.

The four additional vaccines are recommended by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the American Academy of Pediatrics and other medical groups.

Some parents support proposed legislation that would give families a right to skip required immunizations by lodging a "philosophical objection," as some other states allow. The bill has been sitting in a committee without action for several years.

New Jersey does grant an automatic exemption on religious grounds and allows exemptions for medical reasons.

The new vaccines will be available for free for low-income families, and private insurers generally will cover the cost.

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NJ health department site: http://www.state.nj.us/health

New Jersey Alliance for Informed Choice in Vaccination: http://www.NJAICV.org


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KEYWORDS: flu; govwatch; medicine; nannystate; newjersey; nochoice; preschool; shots; socializedmedicine; vaccination
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Can't wait for the gubmint to take over the whole system...

New Jersey: No Flu Shots, No Preschool
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Some parents oppose the state's mandate -- the first of its kind in the nation.

1 posted on 12/14/2007 3:55:44 PM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather

All your children are belong to us.


2 posted on 12/14/2007 3:57:45 PM PST by Lexington Green (Not one dime to Hollywood traitors)
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To: metmom; Tired of Taxes; DaveLoneRanger

At this rate, they’ll require shots for homeschooled toddlers. I have nothing against immunizations, but this isn’t the way to do it.


3 posted on 12/14/2007 4:02:52 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (You can't be serious about national security unless you're serious about border security)
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To: Libloather

And when the first kid dies from the vaccine, the Government will jump in and help bankrupt the manufacturer of the vaccine.

I watch people get sick every year after getting a flu shot. My ex’s grandfather played golf the day he got the shot, in the hospital the next day, in the ground by weekend.

I’ll take my chances with the REAL bug.


4 posted on 12/14/2007 4:04:31 PM PST by digger48
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To: traviskicks; socialismisinsidious

Sigh....ping


5 posted on 12/14/2007 4:05:40 PM PST by darkangel82 (And the band played on....)
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To: Libloather
Sorry, don't see the big deal here. When I attended school, I was required to show proof of vaccination for smallpox, polio, and DPT (diptheria, pertusis, and tetanus). No vaccinations, no attendence, period.

If you attend a school paid for by the state, the state has the right to demand certain things. If you don't want to give your kids these vaccinations, send you kids to private schools...problem is most of them require it as well.

As conservative and small government as I am, I believe the state does have the right to impose certain requirements to protect the general population from potentially deadly diseases. I would that we were controlling immigration as we did early in the 20th century where everyone was screened for TB. Now TB which had been eliminated in the US has now become more common and more deadly than it has been in decades.

There is such a thing as being too paranoid of government intervention. This is not oppressive government, this is reasonable precaution and common sense.
6 posted on 12/14/2007 4:20:50 PM PST by Sudetenland (Liberals love "McCarthyism," they just believe he was targeting the wrong side.)
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To: Libloather
I'd rather REQUIRE one Teaspoon of Carlson's Lemon Flavored Cod Liver Oil for EVERY KID, EVERY DAY, administered by the teacher (so the parent's don't have to do it....LOL!)
7 posted on 12/14/2007 4:27:18 PM PST by goodnesswins (Being Challenged Builds Character! Being Coddled Destroys Character!)
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To: goodnesswins

How about some for the bureaucrats too, taste of their own medicine.


8 posted on 12/14/2007 4:35:06 PM PST by darkangel82 (And the band played on....)
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To: Sudetenland

I agree,Sudetenland !


9 posted on 12/14/2007 4:48:46 PM PST by genefromjersey (So much to flame;so little time !)
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To: Libloather

Mercury Alert.

They're already overburdening kids' immune systems with these toxins.

10 posted on 12/14/2007 4:58:58 PM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Sudetenland

I agree with you on this. I get the flu shot each year & so does my 8 year old daughter. She gets sick easily & so far it hasn’t been the flu. I am very concerned that so many parents are against shots for children. But then I’m from the generation that got the small pox (I think) the one that left the scar on your arm.


11 posted on 12/14/2007 5:39:09 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( Its NOT for the good of the children! Its BS along with bending over for Muslim's demands)
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To: long hard slogger; FormerACLUmember; Harrius Magnus; Lynne; hocndoc; parousia; Hydroshock; ...
Socialized Medicine aka Universal Health Care PING LIST

FReepmail me if you want to be added to or removed from this ping list.
12 posted on 12/14/2007 6:32:09 PM PST by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: darkangel82

Thanks for the ping!


13 posted on 12/14/2007 6:37:53 PM PST by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: pandoraou812

“I get the flu shot each year & so does my 8 year old daughter.”

All of us get flue shots in the fall and I always get a pneumonia shot, too. My nephew goes to high school (he’s home schooled most of the day but takes biology from the district) and he gets the shot to keep from bringing the bug home to his 80-year old grandfather. I’m aware that not everyone can be vaccinated; no criticism from me to others on this issue.

A flu shot won’t completely protect everyone because influenza mutates so quickly, lierally, from person to person as the virus moves through a population. However the more individuals vaccinated the less chance of an epidemic because less victims means a slower mutation rate. So even the unvaccinated are, to some degree, protected within a group where the majority are vaccinated.


14 posted on 12/14/2007 6:52:34 PM PST by SatinDoll
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To: Sudetenland

Agreed. Too many parents send their kids to school when they’re sick because both parents are working. That puts other kids at risk and makes it easy to spread diseases around.


15 posted on 12/14/2007 6:52:42 PM PST by ScottfromNJ
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To: Sudetenland
You have a good point, but it is still fair to question. When schools are government run how much do we allow for them to dictate, engineer in the name of the "common good"? What if they decide that every 11 year old girl has to get the HPV vaccine?

Also, the flu shot is a yearly thing, not a booster every 10 years etc...so I wonder what the bureaucracy is going to look like and have to ask: who gains from this?
16 posted on 12/14/2007 6:55:45 PM PST by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: socialismisinsidious
who gains from this?

The drug companies. Do you have to ask?

17 posted on 12/14/2007 7:01:03 PM PST by darkangel82 (And the band played on....)
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To: darkangel82

Yeah them. Also, who lobbied the NJ legislator and how? and how many politician’s have family and friends with stock etc...maybe even made 100k in a few short months Hillary style. ; )


18 posted on 12/14/2007 7:13:07 PM PST by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: socialismisinsidious

Sounds like felonies to me. DOJ needs to get on it.


19 posted on 12/14/2007 7:13:49 PM PST by darkangel82 (And the band played on....)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

Total unsupported crap!


20 posted on 12/14/2007 7:21:24 PM PST by Sudetenland (Liberals love "McCarthyism," they just believe he was targeting the wrong side.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger; 2Jedismom; aberaussie; Aggie Mama; agrace; Antoninus; arbooz; bboop; bill1952; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. If you want on/off this list, please freepmail me. The main Homeschool Ping List by DaveLoneRanger handles the homeschool-specific articles. This is becoming a fairly high volume list.
21 posted on 12/14/2007 7:24:10 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: SatinDoll
I’ve gotten the pneumonia shot but I thought that lasted for 3 yrs. I just recently got a new doctor so I will have to see if I need that. I would rather get the shots then take a chance....I refuse to send Sassy to school when she is sick & I wish more parents were able to keep their sick children home. So many work that the kids are sent to school sick. We have the hand washing down pat now & that helps. Plus we use paper towels in the bathroom. With a family of 8 now we don’t need any sickness coming into the house.
22 posted on 12/14/2007 7:24:11 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( Its NOT for the good of the children! Its BS along with bending over for Muslim's demands)
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To: abclily; aberaussie; albertp; AliVeritas; Amelia; AnAmericanMother; andie74; AVNevis; bannie; ...

Public Education Ping

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23 posted on 12/14/2007 7:25:04 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Gabz

mom and nanny ping


24 posted on 12/14/2007 7:26:28 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Sudetenland

Fine, then if I don’t send my kid to the public school, can I have my money back?

It is a big deal that the government is trying to control every aspect of our lives and make our medical decisions for us. It’s not the government’s responsibility or right to impose their requirements on us. They’re not medical professionals and I don’t want a bunch of politicians who can’t even efficiently run the DMV or post office to make my personal health care decisions.


25 posted on 12/14/2007 7:30:46 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Libloather

And you parents who object, just shut the hell up and take your soma!


26 posted on 12/14/2007 7:31:40 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Repeal the Terrible Two -- the 16th and 17th Amendments! Sink LOST!)
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To: Clintonfatigued

I stopped getting flu shots when I realized that sometimes I got the flu even when I got the shot, and most of the time I didn’t, even if I didn’t get the shot. I have a teacher’s immune system, which seems to keep me pretty healthy (after that first horrible year when you catch everything).

susie


27 posted on 12/14/2007 8:24:36 PM PST by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: Libloather

“New Jersey on Friday became the first state to require flu shots for preschoolers, saying their developing immune systems and likelihood of spreading germs make them as vulnerable to complications as the elderly.”

Hmmm so is NJ forcing the elderly to get flu shots to use state services?


28 posted on 12/14/2007 8:25:53 PM PST by N3WBI3 (Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you. -- Londo Mollari)
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To: ScottfromNJ

Yup. They give ‘em Tylenol to bring their fevers down and send them right along.
susie


29 posted on 12/14/2007 8:27:34 PM PST by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: Sudetenland
Polio and small pox are somewhat more troublesome than the flu wouldn't you agree?

"If you don't want to give your kids these vaccinations, send you kids to private schools"

Umm this law also requires private but licensed daycares!

30 posted on 12/14/2007 8:29:02 PM PST by N3WBI3 (Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you. -- Londo Mollari)
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To: darkangel82
The drug companies. Do you have to ask?

That explains why there are so many companies lining up to make the vaccines /end sarcasm

31 posted on 12/14/2007 9:08:07 PM PST by Born Conservative (Chronic Positivity - http://jsher.livejournal.com/)
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To: metmom
No and you know it. This society long ago made a decision that paying for public schooling was beneficial to our society. The idea being that an educated society is more likely to remain a free society. Whether you agree with it or not, it is the law. That is the price we pay for living in a representative democracy (republic). If you don't like what your government is doing, then work to change it.

If you believe that you have a beef, try being someone who pays property taxes to support a school system when you have no children. I accept it because I have no choice. Unfortunately, or fortunately, that is the price one pays for living in a Republic.

You can change things locally and nationally if you are willing to work harder than those with whose views you disagree. You can stand for office, you can run for school board, you can organize a grass roots campaign to change things, or...you can accept that we live in an imperfect world, under an imperfect system of government.

Do not portray yourself as a helpless victim. If you do not like the way the government is working, do something about it. Change it or acquiesce. The choice is yours.

We all seem to be great at complaining about the way our government is operating, but very few of us are willing to actually stand up and do something about it.

As for the right of the government to impose health requirements on you, I completely disagree. It is not only your children they are concerned about, it is all of the children with whose well being they are charged with protecting. Schools become in loco parentis while your child is in their care.

One simple solution is to press for school vouchers. If parents are concerned enough about the way in which their children's schools are being run and wish to opt out, then they need to out muscle the NEA and the other teacher's unions. It can be done, but it takes a level of sacrifice most people are unwilling to undertake. Till then, if you wish to send your children to private school you pay twice, or you can home school.
32 posted on 12/14/2007 9:08:22 PM PST by Sudetenland (Liberals love "McCarthyism," they just believe he was targeting the wrong side.)
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To: metmom

I have a mixed opinion on this one. There are vaccines that are helpful and worthwhile, but I don’t think the state should start mandating every vaccine that comes along. Tetanus Vaccine? Yes. Polio Vaccine? Yes. But the flu vaccine? No. The flu vaccine covers the strains guesstimated to be prevalent for that season, but mass immunization is no guarantee of stopping it, and it’s not likely that it will eradicate the disease. (Tetanus is not likely to be eradicated, but the vaccine is highly effective, and the disease is devasting).


33 posted on 12/14/2007 9:13:14 PM PST by Born Conservative (Chronic Positivity - http://jsher.livejournal.com/)
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To: N3WBI3
Life sucks! You don't like it, do something about it...but good luck, I lived as a kid in New Jersey and it has only gotten more leftist since I left.

Of course this isn't the Soviet Union, you can always move to another, more Conservative, state. You'd probably have to change jobs, but then freedom isn't free, it sometimes requires sacrifices...and Yes I know easy to say, not so easy to do...only saying it is possible, we have that freedom.
34 posted on 12/14/2007 9:13:17 PM PST by Sudetenland (Liberals love "McCarthyism," they just believe he was targeting the wrong side.)
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To: pandoraou812
I’ve gotten the pneumonia shot but I thought that lasted for 3 yrs.

If you mean Pneumovax, that's given to high risk people once before the age of 65, and once after 65 (which is considered high risk), IIRC. I'm not familiar with any other pneumonia vaccine that is repeated after 3 years....

35 posted on 12/14/2007 9:16:40 PM PST by Born Conservative (Chronic Positivity - http://jsher.livejournal.com/)
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To: Born Conservative

That has to be the shot I got since I am a high risk as I have hep C from a blood transfusion when I was a teen. I was told in 82 I had non A non B hep. I try to keep myself as healthy as I can as my immune system isn’t what it used to be.


36 posted on 12/14/2007 9:36:27 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( Its NOT for the good of the children! Its BS along with bending over for Muslim's demands)
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To: Sudetenland
Schools are not paid for by the state.

Private day care centers are not owned by the state.

I do not believe that most private schools require flu vaccinations for preschoolers. Do you have a source for that?

37 posted on 12/14/2007 9:38:36 PM PST by LilAngel (FReeping on a cell phone is like making Christmas dinner in an Easy Bake Oven)
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To: SatinDoll
A flu shot won’t completely protect everyone because influenza mutates so quickly, lierally, from person to person as the virus moves through a population. However the more individuals vaccinated the less chance of an epidemic because less victims means a slower mutation rate. So even the unvaccinated are, to some degree, protected within a group where the majority are vaccinated.

The higher the population density, the greater the risk. The circumstances of living in a big city seem to unavoidably foster socialist policies.

38 posted on 12/14/2007 9:44:18 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Sudetenland

The literacy rates were higher in this country before the advent of the public school system because people at one time thought it important to be able to read the Bible and that was motivation enough for them to learn. One room school houses worked and worked well.

There is no justification for so much governmental involvement in education, health, or any other aspect of our lives. It isn’t necessary. People who are motivated will learn and those who aren’t won’t no matter how much you try to force them.

By your line of reasoning, the government can justify any amount of control over our lives for the *common good*.

No thanks. I read Brave New World and 1984 and don’t wish to live it.


39 posted on 12/14/2007 9:45:36 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Libloather
New Jersey does grant an automatic exemption on religious grounds

I wonder how the Nazi State Health Commissioner will handle this? Whatever.... New Jersey deserves exactly the government it elects.

By the way, I bet there will be quite a nice underground market for flu certs.

40 posted on 12/14/2007 9:46:51 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Born Conservative

The fatality rate of tetanus is about 40%, far higher than I care to risk. I will not pass on that one, however, tetanus is not contagious and not getting the tetanus vaccine will only hurt yourself.

Polio? It’s highly contagious, but again, those vaccinated are safe and it appears to be one of the safest ones around.
I wouldn’t pass on that one either.

As far as flu, this is ridiculous. They only guess/speculate/whatever they do to try to determine which flu strain is likely to become dominant and produce the vaccine for it. I think requiring a shot for something that it may not protect against is way over the line. It’s worse than useless if they get the wrong strain.


41 posted on 12/14/2007 9:52:32 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Sudetenland

Sure, it isn’t “oppressive” until YOUR child or a child close to you is injured or killed by a “mandated” vaccine.


42 posted on 12/14/2007 9:53:04 PM PST by Politicalmom (Huckabee is the GOP's Jimmy Carter. Are you ready for Huck the Schmuck to plunder your pocketbook?)
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To: Sudetenland
It may not be the Soviet Union, but I'd swear that's what you're pushing for based on the tone of your posts.

You'd probably have to change jobs, but then freedom isn't free, it sometimes requires sacrifices...

Not sacrificing your freedom. Then you aren't free; you're slaves of the state.

So you have to give up your freedoms to remain free?

I seeeee......

43 posted on 12/14/2007 9:57:57 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: LilAngel

The report I heard to day definitely stated all “licensed day care centers” were included.


44 posted on 12/14/2007 9:59:01 PM PST by Politicalmom (Huckabee is the GOP's Jimmy Carter. Are you ready for Huck the Schmuck to plunder your pocketbook?)
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To: Sudetenland
If you attend a school paid for by the state, the state has the right to demand certain things.

Just where do you think the state gets its money?

45 posted on 12/14/2007 10:01:14 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: pandoraou812

Agreed. We’ve been doing the papertowel bit too, for about 5-years. My mom had cancer for so long (she died two years ago) that we were mostly concerned with my nephew (my parents and I had joint custody) bringing some nasty bug home from school that might do her in.

I noticed when my mom was fighting cancer that the doctors made sure she had flu and pneumonia vaccinations. That told me that it isn’t the vaccinations that do people in, it is the depressed metabolism due to lack of good, proper eating habits. With sufficient vitamins and mineral supplements your body has what it needs to fight off the bad “cooties”.


46 posted on 12/14/2007 10:40:34 PM PST by SatinDoll
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To: Politicalmom

I’m not talking about which day care centers the law targets. I was responding to the claim that most private schools require flu vaccinations for all preschoolers, independent of the new law.

It’s one thing for the state to require appropriate vaccinations when it’s in the best interest of public health. It’s a different matter entirely when they require inappropriate vaccines for monetary reasons.


47 posted on 12/14/2007 11:12:43 PM PST by LilAngel (FReeping on a cell phone is like making Christmas dinner in an Easy Bake Oven)
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To: digger48
I watch people get sick every year after getting a flu shot. My ex’s grandfather played golf the day he got the shot, in the hospital the next day, in the ground by weekend.

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You’re not giving me enough information here, but I am thinking:

1) He was infected by a virus not covered in the flu shot, and it was a coincidence that it occurred on the same day.

2) He WAS covered but was infected the same day as the flu shot and did not have enough time to develop antibodies against it.

3) He may have died from something other than the flu. It may have started as a simple cold virus that later became a bacterial pneumonia.

By the way, I did not get a flu shot this year and I am over 60.

48 posted on 12/15/2007 6:08:10 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: SatinDoll
So even the unvaccinated are, to some degree, protected within a group where the majority are vaccinated.

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Bingo!

There are always a small portion of people who do not build antibodies when vaccinated. No matter how many vaccinations they would receive they would always be vulnerable to the disease. When the majority in the population ARE immunized, there is much less chance for the non-immunized to get the disease.

Workers in the medical profession should get vaccinated against Hepatitis B. Some workers never develop antibodies, no matter how many times they get the shot. If the population at large is immunized against Hepatitis B, their exposure to Hep B is greatly reduced, and therefore, they have much less possibility to get the disease. ( Of course, all medical workers should use universal precautions.)

One more example:

A son of a friend had measles even though he was vaccinated. Apparently, he never developed antibodies to measles. He was exposed to measles at some point at school, church, or in the neighborhood. Who knows. When the majority of the population is immunized, one case of measles remains one case, it does not grow to be hundreds or thousands.

49 posted on 12/15/2007 6:19:38 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: metmom
One room school houses worked and worked well.

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The mother of my roommate in nursing school taught in a one room school house into the mid-1950s. It was then “consolidated”. The children are now confined in a building that likely looks like a minimum security prison.

50 posted on 12/15/2007 6:23:24 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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