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Is Romney becoming the choice of mainstream conservatives?
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Posted on 12/15/2007 10:08:14 AM PST by linuxster

Judge Robert Bork has endorsed Mitt Romney for president. He explains:

No other candidate will do more to advance the conservative judicial movement than Governor Mitt Romney. He knows firsthand how the judicial branch can profoundly affect the future course of a state and a nation. I greatly admired his leadership in Massachusetts in the way that he responded to the activist court's ruling legalizing same-sex 'marriage.'

Our next President may be called upon to make more than one Supreme Court nomination, and Governor Romney is committed to nominating judges who take their oath of office seriously and respect the rule of law in our nation. I also support Governor Romney because of his character, his integrity and his stands on the major issues facing the United States.

As much as conservatives respect Judge Bork, his endorsement is less significant as guidance for undecided conservatives than as evidence of how undecided (non-evangelical) conservatives are likely to break.


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1 posted on 12/15/2007 10:08:15 AM PST by linuxster
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To: linuxster

Funny, thats not the kind of judges he appointed when he was governor.

Is this another one of those conversions he has recently had?


2 posted on 12/15/2007 10:12:31 AM PST by Dreagon
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To: linuxster
I will vote for him, unless Fred comes on strong then he has my vote. I will not vote for Huckabee unless he wins and is in the general election, then I will hold my nose and pull the lever because its either that or Hillary, Barack or Edwards and I find that unacceptable.
3 posted on 12/15/2007 10:14:52 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: linuxster

Depends on how you define “mainstream.”


4 posted on 12/15/2007 10:15:06 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Dreagon

Even Reagan was a liberal before he was a consevative so I guess I’ll keep an open mind on Romney for a while.


5 posted on 12/15/2007 10:15:06 AM PST by Russ
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To: Dreagon

No, he’s not.


6 posted on 12/15/2007 10:16:22 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Russ

But a conversion in only four years? Ronald Reagan took a decade or so to evolve to his conservatism.


7 posted on 12/15/2007 10:16:40 AM PST by Munson
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To: linuxster
Insincere or inconsistent as he's been, Romney is saying the right things, and he was a popular governor and an effective executive in private business.

Guliani has always been a state employee and hes not even trying to assuage the bulk of the Republican electorate. Huckabee is a Jimmy Carter clone, Thompson appears dandering and ineffective ( so far) and McCain is a fraud, so wheres that leave everybody?

For Goodness Sakes, lets focus...No more Hillary!

8 posted on 12/15/2007 10:17:02 AM PST by Nonstatist
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To: linuxster

Romney would have to choose someone like Hunter for VP for me to vote for him. I’d be the first to admit that would be a potent GOP ticket, as Hunter balances out Romney’s lack of social conservatism & military expertise.


9 posted on 12/15/2007 10:17:28 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Abathar
Get used to this, then: Romney vs. Romney
10 posted on 12/15/2007 10:17:40 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: linuxster

No.


11 posted on 12/15/2007 10:18:09 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Massachusetts “conservatives” perhaps?


12 posted on 12/15/2007 10:20:28 AM PST by DeaconBenjamin
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To: linuxster

No


13 posted on 12/15/2007 10:26:43 AM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: Nonstatist
” Huckabee is a Jimmy Carter clone,” I am not a Huckleberry fan but saying that about anyone is a hate crime if there ever was one.
14 posted on 12/15/2007 10:26:57 AM PST by kublia khan (Absolute war brings total victory)
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To: linuxster

No


15 posted on 12/15/2007 10:27:18 AM PST by kjam22 (see me play the guitar here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noHy7Cuoucc)
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To: All

No, for the simple reason that I keep expecting him to walk into a store and ask “can I get me a hunting license here?”


16 posted on 12/15/2007 10:30:37 AM PST by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

That was great. Potomac Fever.... LOL


17 posted on 12/15/2007 10:32:13 AM PST by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: linuxster

Looks more and more like Romney. Fred just didn’t take off. Rudy has serious problems about his personal life and his lack of guts on illegal immigrants while mayor. McCain is a hero and POW, but his politics are all over the place. He isn’t trusted. Huckabee is the Republican Carter.

So, I guess it’s Mitt. The NR has decided it can live with him.


18 posted on 12/15/2007 10:32:32 AM PST by kjo
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

That ticket would bring my family together politically speaking.


19 posted on 12/15/2007 10:32:32 AM PST by Global2010 ( I yell Go Hunter and my Lab runs to the door. Dang.)
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To: Abathar
I'm with you. The more I see Mitt the more comfortable I am. Although he and Rudy maybe more liberal than I would like I think Rudy has too many skeletons and I don't believe anybody is better than Romney on the economic side. Sure I like Fred but lets face it his campaign really hasn't caught fire.

McIsane sacres me, Huckabee gives me the creeps and Duncun Hunter is terrific but doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell.

20 posted on 12/15/2007 10:32:43 AM PST by marlon
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To: kublia khan
saying that about anyone is a hate crime if there ever was one.

Read Hucklenutz's article in Foreign Policy magazine; hes a clueless moral pontificator who wouldn't know a dictator from an interior designer. If you could pack his pablum in jars, you could stock a warehouse, easily.

21 posted on 12/15/2007 10:35:00 AM PST by Nonstatist
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To: linuxster

The conservative endorsements continue to pile up. Who will be the first to call Judge Bork a RINO? Romney is the real deal.


22 posted on 12/15/2007 10:36:18 AM PST by Bluestateredman (Self-sufficiency is the American Way)
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To: All

1. I’m a proud Freeper
2. I’m for Mitt
3. I’ve been around here long enough to know that Freepers are NOT mainstream conservatives - not that there’s anything wrong with that...


23 posted on 12/15/2007 10:38:03 AM PST by Scarchin (+)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
"Get used to this, then: Romney vs. Romney"

My reply to you is better a 50/50 chance with Mitt (which I think is much better than that) than a 100% guaranteed nation killer like Edwards or Barack will be. Personally I don't think there is a perfect candidate out there, but I can live with Mitt far easier than anything the Dems are fielding.

24 posted on 12/15/2007 10:38:21 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: marlon

You just summed up my thoughts exactly.


25 posted on 12/15/2007 10:39:12 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: linuxster
Bump.

Non-evangelical conservatives are beginning to realize that they have nothing to fear from Romney. Romney is wise and disciplined enough not to let his private religious beliefs dictate his policy and decisions as president.

Huckabee wants to force his peculiar brand of Christianity on the world through the power of the United States government and pay for it with money extorted from taxpayers who know far better than government how to exercise genuine Christian compassion.

There is a festering malignancy of religious intolerance and smug self-righteousness in Huckabee's candidacy that mainstream conservatives find disturbing in a way that they do not find Romney's "odd" beliefs disturbing.

26 posted on 12/15/2007 10:42:09 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: linuxster
I am supporting him because he is electable and because he is not Hillary.

I also just like the guy, and sometimes personality and character matter.

This is not the year for republicans to staunchly fight for the next Ronald Reagan. It is the year to stop Hillary.

27 posted on 12/15/2007 10:44:29 AM PST by Semper911 ("We can stand here like the French, or we can do something about it." -Marge Simpson)
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To: Bluestateredman

Romney is not the “real deal”. He has baggage.

Let those amongst us who is without sin cast the first stone.

He is the smartest candidate on either side and there is no question in my mind he is committed to the best interests of the US. Continued American global dominance for this century might just have been secured by GW Bush in Iraq, but it could be squandered by a lesser intellect than Romney’s. I would rather not risk that.


28 posted on 12/15/2007 10:45:33 AM PST by Owen
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Romney would have to choose someone like Hunter for VP for me to vote for him.

That would make a nice ticket, but it's very unlikely unless it would swing California into the Republican electoral column.

I think Hunter as SECDEF is a better fit and more likely.

29 posted on 12/15/2007 10:46:25 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: linuxster

In a word, “no”.


30 posted on 12/15/2007 10:48:11 AM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: linuxster
Is Romney becoming the choice of mainstream conservatives?

Yeah, him and Chris Dodd.

31 posted on 12/15/2007 10:49:11 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Scarchin

I AGREE. i THINK HE IS A CLASS GUY AND has to play
the game the way the ball is bouncing...He has poise,
aND SMARTS, AND ANYONE WHO HAS FIVE SONS...IS OK IN MY
BOOK..And his wife is quite impressive, also. You
gotta have a class First Lady.,..aka..LaURA. JK


32 posted on 12/15/2007 10:49:41 AM PST by sanjacjake
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To: sanjacjake

“And his wife is quite impressive, also. You
gotta have a class First Lady.,..aka..LaURA. JK”

That’s one of the reasons I like Mitt, he’s a family man. He’s a man of faith.

He was a pretty decent governor (blocked free in state tuition for illegals, etc).

As many have said Fred isn’t going anywhere, McCain has burned too many bridges, Rudy has way too many skeletons in his closet, the nut from Texas couldn’t even vote against pedophiles because he felt it was too big government.

So it boils down to Mitt & hopefully Hunter as his VP - it is the ONLY ticket that makes sense imo.


33 posted on 12/15/2007 11:12:50 AM PST by Sparky1776
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

EEE, I’m with you 100%, I think it is the winning ticket.


34 posted on 12/15/2007 11:14:05 AM PST by Sparky1776
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

The problem with that ticket is neither of those two would likely capture their home states. Not a good way to starting adding up the electoral math.


35 posted on 12/15/2007 11:18:03 AM PST by Norman Bates
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To: linuxster
Um, looking at the polls -- no, he isn't becoming the choice of conservatives.

Mitt Wit wouldn't even be an upper-tier candidate if not for his money and the fact New Hampshire is in his own backyard. The rise of Huckabee is a response to how unimpressive Romney and Giuliani are to the conservative base.

And, he has a Mormon problem in addition to a liberal record that makes him as unelectable as any candidate running.

36 posted on 12/15/2007 11:24:52 AM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Russ
Was Reagan ever a liberal? Did he ever run as a liberal and govern as one?

Romney has gone from being a liberal candidate, liberal governor to trying to cast himself as a conservative in LESS than six years.

He is a fraud on a level with Bill Clinton.

37 posted on 12/15/2007 11:27:02 AM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Romney would have to choose someone like Hunter for VP for me to vote for him.

What difference would that make unless Willard died?

38 posted on 12/15/2007 11:27:53 AM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: linuxster

I’d have to add my “no” to the list.


39 posted on 12/15/2007 11:31:43 AM PST by Ingtar (The LDS problem that Romney is facing is not his religion, but his recent Liberal Definitive Stands.)
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To: linuxster

I’d have to add my “no” to the list.


40 posted on 12/15/2007 11:31:44 AM PST by Ingtar (The LDS problem that Romney is facing is not his religion, but his recent Liberal Definitive Stands.)
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To: Abathar

Right now Fred is my man. Huckabee is now just above Ron Paul in my opinion. I will have no problem voting for Mitt or any of the other Republicans. The alternative is just not acceptable.


41 posted on 12/15/2007 11:31:50 AM PST by Parley Baer
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To: linuxster

No.


42 posted on 12/15/2007 11:32:30 AM PST by meadsjn (Hey Spock, round off, partner!)
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To: marlon
The more I see Mitt the more comfortable I am.

What about his record do you feel comfortable about?

Top 10 RINOs (Republicans in Name Only)

Human Events 12/27/05 - (Mitt Romney is ranked #8)

On the other hand, it's particularly interesting to note that Bay Windows, Boston's major homosexual newspaper, has reviewed Romney favorably. That same newspaper regularly prints extremely vicious and even obscene attacks on all conservative politicians, the "Christian Right" and even parents who challenge the liberal political agenda.

The November elections were clearly a turning point for the conservative movement. While President Bush has done some good things for the conservative movement, in many areas his administration has been a great disappointment. Movement activists across the country have become disillusioned with the Republican Party as a result of Bush's massive spending spree, his failure to veto wasteful programs, his inattention toward illegal immigration, and his token attention to social issues. As a result, we paid a price at the polls.

In two years, the presidential elections will be upon us and the GOP will have an opportunity to redeem itself. However, if we elect another President who demoralizes our base even further, it could spell the end of the conservative movement as we know it. Many conservative organizations are already reporting that segments or our base are dropping out of politics altogether or joining the Libertarian and other small parties. Another four or eight years of "big tent" Republicanism or "compassionate conservatism" will kill our base and CPAC meetings will be held in a phone booth.

Thus, it is imperative that the movement carefully scrutinize the record of all candidates seeking the presidency and if none of the existing candidates meet our standards, then it would be prudent for the conservative movement to draft someone we can all be supportive of. Let's review Governor Romney's positions on the hot-button issues and his actions as Governor of Massachusetts.

Abortion

"Romney ran against Senator Edward M. Kennedy in 1994. During a debate, Romney declared: 'I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time that my mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a US Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it.' " (NOTE: Romney has supported abortion since before the 1972 Roe v. Wade ruling!) - Boston Globe, 3/2/2006

"On a questionnaire Planned Parenthood gave to the gubernatorial candidates in 2002, Romney answered ''yes" to the question, 'Do you support the substance of the Supreme Court decision in Roe v. Wade?' Romney also professed support for state funding of abortion services for low-income women, [Erin] Rowland [spokeswoman for the Planned Parenthood League of Massachusetts] said." - Boston Globe, 3/25/2005

The Homosexual Agenda

"During his 2002 gubernatorial run his campaign distributed bright pink flyers during Pride that declared 'Mitt and Kerry [running mate Kerry Healey] wish you a great Pride weekend! All citizens deserve equal rights, regardless of their sexual preference.' Romney also argued that he would not only support gay friendly policies but would fight on behalf of the gay community to secure benefits such as domestic partner benefits and hospital visitation rights for same-sex couples." - Bay Windows 3/3/2005

"The state LCR [Log Cabin Republican Club] worked with Romney's unsuccessful campaign to unseat U.S. Sen. Ted Kennedy in 1994. Romney won the LCR endorsement primarily based on his support for the federal Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA), a pro-gay piece of legislation that at the time had little Republican support." - Bay Windows, 10/24/2002

There will be children born to same-sex couples, and adopted by same-sax couples, and I believe that there should be rights and privileges associated with those unions and with the children that are part of those unions." On another occasion, his spokesman "declined to state Romney's position on whether homosexual couples should be allowed to adopt, and declined to say whether the governor opposes gay adoptions." - State House press conference, 6/15/2005 - Boston Globe, 3/2/2006

Despite the over 2,500 pedophilia cases now on record involving homosexual scout leaders, Romney stated, "I feel that all people should be allowed to participate in the Boy Scouts regardless of their sexual orientation." In the same article, a BSA official criticized Romney for opposing Scout policy. - Boston Globe, 10/27/1994

In 2002, before the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court declared same-sex marriage protected by the Constitution, Romney denounced as "too extreme" the effort by pro-family groups to enact a preemptive state Marriage Protection Amendment prohibiting homosexual marriage, civil unions and same-sex public employee benefits. - Boston Phoenix, May 14-20, 2004

Gun Control

Regarding the Brady Bill which required waiting periods to buy a handgun, Romney stated, "I don't think [the waiting period] will have a massive effect on crime but I think it will have a positive effect." - Boston Herald, 8/1/1994

Economic Issues

Romney supports minimum wage laws

* In as a candidate for Governor 2002, Romney proposed indexing the Massachusetts minimum wage with inflation, telling the Boston Globe "I do not believe that indexing the minimum wage will cost us jobs. I believe it will help us retain jobs." - - Boston Globe, 7/25/2002

* "The minimum wage is important to our economy and Mitt Romney supports minimum wage increase, at least in line with inflation." - Romney 2002 campaign website

Romney Balances Budget with $500 Million in New Fees

* "His first budget, presented under a cloud of a $2 billion deficit, balanced the budget with some spending cuts, but a $500 million increase in various fees was the largest component of the budget fix." Cato Institute annual Fiscal Policy Report Card - America's Governors, 2004. Romney was rated a "C" overall by Cato.

Romney imposes "socialized" health care on Massachusetts

* In 2006, Romney introduced a universal health care bill (which passed the Legislature in a slightly amended version) which has been criticized by conservatives as being socialistic. Republican Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney is trying to accomplish in his final year in office what Democrats can only dream of these days: boosting government spending on and regulation of health care and requiring individuals to purchase government-designed policies. Romney's plan, which is backed by such liberals as Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, Mass.), is being pitched as a compact between citizens and the state. - National Review Online, 1/26/2006

43 posted on 12/15/2007 11:34:52 AM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: linuxster
No.

Obama or Hillary would romp to the Presidency running against Mitt's ridiculous flip-flopping record.

He's been on both sides of:

Immigration
Taxes
Spending
Abortion
Gay Rights
Foreign Policy
Global Warming
Judges
Stem Cell Research

And how many more things???

44 posted on 12/15/2007 11:36:36 AM PST by JohnnyZ (victim victim Mitt victim victim Romneyvictim victim victim so persecuted, poor me!)
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To: Owen
but it could be squandered by a lesser intellect than Romney’s.

In terms of IQ, Jimmy Carter was probably the smartest man who ever served as President. It's wisdom you should be looking for, not intelligence. Some smart people make consistently bad decisions because they lack wisdom. Carter was smarter than Reagan. Reagan was wiser than Carter. We saw how that played out in their Presidencies.

45 posted on 12/15/2007 11:59:49 AM PST by CommerceComet
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To: Ol' Sparky

There ya go, confusin’ everybody with the facts.


46 posted on 12/15/2007 12:01:36 PM PST by kjo
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To: Ol' Sparky
OK so tell me who is the pureest of them all? I'm a conservative but I just can't seem to get the blood lust of opposition research going for the Republican candidates running when we have three committed socialists running on the other side. I refuse to be part of the take my bat go home crowd if the Republicans don't nominate the ghost of Ronald Reagan.

I would vote for ANY of the flawed Republican candidates before one of socialists. There for I'll refrain from posting 10 paragraphs worth of crap about any Republican and save my disgust for the other side.

47 posted on 12/15/2007 12:05:43 PM PST by marlon
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To: Abathar
I will vote for him, unless Fred comes on strong then he has my vote.

If you like Fred, then vote for him in the primaries. If Romney does end up the mainstream candidate, you'll still have a chance to support him in the general election.

48 posted on 12/15/2007 12:06:50 PM PST by BfloGuy (It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we can expect . . .)
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To: linuxster

No matter how he tries to spin it Romney is a typical Northeastern Republican. Nice hair and nice words but his conservative impulses are a recent acquisition for political purposes, just like he adopted liberal causes when he ran for governor of Massachusetts.


49 posted on 12/15/2007 12:08:06 PM PST by gpapa
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To: CommerceComet

Well said.

Perhaps Romney is smarter than Fred, but Fred is wiser than Romney.


50 posted on 12/15/2007 12:09:33 PM PST by ChessExpert (Reagan dismantled the Russian empire of 21 conquered nations)
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