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Colorado Heroine May Have Been Legally Prevented from Using Beretta as Security Guard
Vanity | 16 December, 2007 | Marktwain

Posted on 12/16/2007 10:43:41 AM PST by marktwain

Jeanne Assam, the heroine of the New Life Church shooting in Colorado Springs, would likely have been unable to carry the Beretta that she stopped the shooting with if she had been a licensed security guard.

An AP article published on 12 December noted that licensed security guards in Colorado Springs are restricted to the use of revolvers.

As Jeanne Assam was a volunteer parishioner who was performing security guard duties because the church did not want to hire “mercenaries”, she was almost certainly not affected by the regulations, which only apply to government regulated security guards.

Fortunately, her lack of official status with the state and city allowed her to carry a firearm with sufficient firepower to accomplish the necessary task.

Jeannette had to fire 10 rounds to keep her fellow parishoners safe.


TOPICS: US: Colorado; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: assam; banglist; beretta; churchshooting; gun; gunporn; newlifechurch
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The facts in the article are from various news sources on the web, and can be checked out pretty easily. Much of the MSM is referring to Jeanne as a "security guard", inferring that she was licensed by the state.

It is interesting to note that if she had been licensed by the state, she would have been prevented from using the Beretta that she used to stop the crime.

1 posted on 12/16/2007 10:43:49 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain
Good thing she wasn't licensed by the state. A Beretta is a good gun. I can't see why one would be barred from carrying one. She saved a lot of lives that day.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

2 posted on 12/16/2007 10:46:35 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: marktwain

Sven rounds from a S&W 686+ would, I think, have decided the issue.


3 posted on 12/16/2007 10:48:22 AM PST by claudiustg (You know it. I know it.)
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To: marktwain
Being that Beretta likely murdered his wife, I don't think he would make a good security guard either.

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time, and keep your eye on the sparrow!

4 posted on 12/16/2007 10:50:17 AM PST by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: goldstategop
What morons!!!!! The Beretta was not and is not a revolver.
Doesn't anyone check to make sure what they claim is true anymore?????
I think this crap cam right off the desk of Sara Brady!!!!!!
5 posted on 12/16/2007 10:50:21 AM PST by oldenuff2no (My dad ldft for Europe in)
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To: marktwain

good loop-hole may be the same in other states....good to know for those who want to hire heat.


6 posted on 12/16/2007 10:51:49 AM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: marktwain

7 posted on 12/16/2007 10:51:56 AM PST by Deo volente
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To: oldenuff2no
"Restricted to the use of revolvers"

Not restricted from the use of them.

8 posted on 12/16/2007 10:53:27 AM PST by jimmyray
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To: marktwain
An AP article published on 12 December noted that licensed security guards in Colorado Springs are restricted to the use of revolvers.

Please cite the CRS #

9 posted on 12/16/2007 10:54:42 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: oldenuff2no

You missed the point...

BECAUSE it is not a revolver, a LICENSED guard would not have been allowed to carry the Beretta.

Becuse she was NOT licensed, she was able to.


10 posted on 12/16/2007 10:55:38 AM PST by moonhawk (Fear and Loathing in '08: Hunter/Thompson)
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To: marktwain

One hit from a 1911 would have been better.


11 posted on 12/16/2007 10:56:09 AM PST by fella (The proper application of the truth far more important than the knowledge of it's existance."Ike")
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To: oldenuff2no
What morons!!!!! The Beretta was not and is not a revolver. Doesn't anyone check to make sure what they claim is true anymore????? I think this crap cam right off the desk of Sara Brady!!!!!!

Huh? What they're saying is that if she HAD BEEN A LICENSED SECURITY GUARD, she wouldn't have been allowed to use her Beretta, but as a private citizen with a CCW permit, she wasn't limited to using a revolver, which is what the licensed security guards are required to use.

Mark

12 posted on 12/16/2007 10:57:12 AM PST by MarkL
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To: XeniaSt

Here is the link that I first found the story at:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CO_CHURCH_SHOOTINGS_GUN_ORDINANCE_COOL-?SITE=ILROR&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

I am unfamiliar with the CRS#. Is this an identifier for AP stories?


13 posted on 12/16/2007 10:57:52 AM PST by marktwain
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To: oldenuff2no
The point of the article is that Jeanne Assam was not a "licensed security guard". As such, it was fine for her to have her Beretta semi-auto pistol to perform the "security" task. Had she been state licensed as a security guard, she would have been limited to a revolver.

I agree with the previous poster with respect to an S&W 686+ with 7 rounds. Seven rounds of .357 magnum from a 686+ would likely have been equally effective. We don't know enough from the article to say whether the Beretta was 9mm or 40 S&W. Apparently 10 rounds did the job.

I still think the coroner lied in the public statement that shooter died from a self-inflicted shotgun wound after Assam hit him with 10 rounds from her Beretta. The shooter didn't have a shotgun. The weapons identified were are AR-15 rifle and two semi-auto handguns.

14 posted on 12/16/2007 10:59:53 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Terriergal

interesting read concerning our second amendment rights.


15 posted on 12/16/2007 11:00:59 AM PST by GOPPachyderm
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To: marktwain
It is interesting to note that if she had been licensed by the state, she would have been prevented from using the Beretta that she used to stop the crime.

Considering that the Beretta is a pretty big gun, she probably would have had a .357 wheelgun if that's what she had been restricted to. The perp would be just as dead.

Of course the perp had a 9mm semiautomatic too, but I guess wackos aren't restricted the way security guards are. Sheesh.

16 posted on 12/16/2007 11:01:00 AM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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Who needs a “licensed security” guard?
Last summer we attended a rather large wedding in our town. The bride was from a well known family so there were a few hundred souls present - enough to pack the church.

As I sat myself towards the back, I looked around and counted a minimum of 14 people (all positioned near the back and/or doors) I knew were all carrying, myself included. Concealed by my sportcoat was a Glock 31 plus two spare mags. That’s 46 rounds of 357 Sig, and I was just one person. Some folks I know carry two guns. We are all seasoned competitors.
Heaven help anyone who started trouble.

These do-gooder jackasses need to quit splitting hairs and get off the backs of people who will stand up to evil.


17 posted on 12/16/2007 11:01:43 AM PST by LFOD (IRAQ - Back in Dixie)
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To: marktwain
I am unfamiliar with the CRS#. Is this an identifier for AP stories?

CRS is Colorado Revised Statutes i.e. State Law

18 posted on 12/16/2007 11:01:54 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: marktwain

It is nearly a case of “No good deed goes unpunished”..


19 posted on 12/16/2007 11:03:00 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: claudiustg; fella
Sven rounds from a S&W 686+ would, I think, have decided the issue.

One hit from a 1911 would have been better.

Of course, a single hit from anything is better than 30 misses. However is there any information about how many times the murderer was hit? If trying to keep him pinned down, the more the merrier, when it comes to shots fired. Though the use of "covering fire" isn't a good doctrine to be using in a civilian area.

But I agree, a more potent round would have been better. But if that's the round she's most comfortable with then that's what she should be using. The Bererra is a relatively large and heavy handgun for a 9mm, making it relatively easy to shoot (though some women and men with smaller hands dislike the wide double stack mag well grip).

Mark

20 posted on 12/16/2007 11:03:15 AM PST by MarkL
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