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Bloomie and Arnie, Centrist Twins (for Prez and Veep?)
New York Magazine ^ | Dec 17, 2007 | Geoffrey Gray

Posted on 12/17/2007 10:01:02 AM PST by calcowgirl

Only the Constitution can keep them apart

Mayor Bloomberg’s political guru, Kevin Sheekey, continues his quest to get his boss in a position to run for president.

According to a well-placed source, Sheekey’s latest project is to figure out if they could get California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger as a potential running mate. This summer, Bloomie and Arnie shared a few centrist photo ops.

The East Coast–West Coast alliance would have its advantages in the Electoral College, certainly. But other parts of the Constitution are more problematic, like where it mentions that only a “natural-born Citizen … shall be eligible for the Office of President.” It doesn’t mention the veep, though.

The source says Bloomberg has lawyers studying things like “succession plans” to see how it would work: If something happens, say, to President Bloomberg, does that mean Vice-President Schwarzenegger is overlooked and the Speaker of the House (Nancy Pelosi) gets to take over?

A spokesman for Bloomberg declined to comment.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 12thamendment; arnoldforpresident; bloomberg; elections; foreignborn; liberal; schwarzenegger
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1 posted on 12/17/2007 10:01:04 AM PST by calcowgirl
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To: NormsRevenge; SierraWasp; Carry_Okie; tubebender; Liz; indylindy; Czar
From Forbes, 12.15.07
Look out, Hillary and Barack, here comes Mike. No, not Mike Huckabee (though he'd better watch out, too). Mike Bloomberg--Mayor Mike as millions of New Yorkers more or less affectionately call him.

And this time it is for real. Folks close to New York City's twice-elected mayor suggest that he's made up his mind to end one of the city's long-running rumors and become an Independent candidate for president.

The date of his announcement? Pencilled in for right after Super Tuesday--Feb. 5. ...

(snip)


2 posted on 12/17/2007 10:02:14 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

Arnie cannot run - he fails to meet the Constitutional qualification.


3 posted on 12/17/2007 10:02:33 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: calcowgirl

Do people actually bother to READ the Constitution anymore?


4 posted on 12/17/2007 10:03:44 AM PST by So Cal Rocket
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To: calcowgirl

But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.


5 posted on 12/17/2007 10:08:01 AM PST by So Cal Rocket
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To: calcowgirl

I’d like to know where this rag gets the idea that Bloomberg and Schwartsenegger are “centrists.”


6 posted on 12/17/2007 10:08:46 AM PST by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: calcowgirl

“Centrist”? Center of what?


7 posted on 12/17/2007 10:08:58 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: So Cal Rocket; NonValueAdded
But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

I hear ya. But these phonies deserve watching. I try to never underestimate a bunch of NY attorneys.

8 posted on 12/17/2007 10:13:13 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

Hill and Obama, you got c-o-m-p-a-n-y.


9 posted on 12/17/2007 10:15:50 AM PST by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: calcowgirl

I find it amazing that so many think there is some potential for a “centrist” movement in this country.

NEWSFLASH: Most of the people in the political/social/cultural “middle” in this country are...(drumroll)...Conservatives!

They may not know it. They may not care about politics. But, when they take the time to find out the truth about most issues, they will lean “right” back to the middle.

Unfortunately, the MSM has convinced itself and the Left that “moderates” are people who favor action on “global warming,” abortion, universal health care, open-boarders, gun control, higher taxes for government services, secular policies, etc. All this stuff may sound good on the surface, but lose traction when looked at with facts and common sense.

The Democrats better hope the “Mindless Middle” doesn’t get a clue. Because they will be relegated to the place they belong...alone on the Left.


10 posted on 12/17/2007 10:16:16 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
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To: So Cal Rocket
Do people actually bother to READ the Constitution anymore?

Honestly, as I'm reading it, there does seem to be some room for question. The Constitution, on face value, does not seem to outline any qualifications for Vice-President, only President.

However, it does say, "In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President . . ."

Perhaps Sheekey has a good argument. IF something happens to the President, THEN the Vice-President is not qualified to serve and it the presidency would be assumed by the Speaker of the House.

Interesting argument. Can't say I would support this ticket, but I would like to hear what the Supreme Court says about this scenario.

11 posted on 12/17/2007 10:16:58 AM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Little Ray
I’d like to know where this rag gets the idea that Bloomberg and Schwartsenegger are “centrists.”

If they are centrists then I am so far in right field that it's a $50 cab ride to home plate.

12 posted on 12/17/2007 10:17:33 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat; but they know what's best for us)
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To: calcowgirl

Arnold will be running for Senate.


13 posted on 12/17/2007 10:17:43 AM PST by purpleraine
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To: N. Theknow

Well, like Ann Coulter, I am a Moderate Centrist.
Its not my fault there are so many insane, commie-pinko-fellow-travellers out there...


14 posted on 12/17/2007 10:22:31 AM PST by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
Read the 12th Amendment...it's quite specific about the qualifications about the VP... you have to meet the qualifications of Prez to be VP:
But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

15 posted on 12/17/2007 10:23:55 AM PST by So Cal Rocket
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To: So Cal Rocket
My apologies. You are indeed correct.


16 posted on 12/17/2007 10:28:09 AM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
The Twelfth Amendment to the United States Constitution requires the vice president to meet the same eligibility requirements as the president. That is, the vice president must be at least 35 years of age, a natural born citizen of the United States, and a resident of the U.S. for 14 years.


" ... But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."

17 posted on 12/17/2007 10:35:53 AM PST by G.Mason (And what is intelligence if not the craft of out-thinking our adversaries?)
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To: G.Mason

See post #16.


18 posted on 12/17/2007 10:43:26 AM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
"Centrist”? Center of what?

The parochial pit of ignorance that we call New York City.

19 posted on 12/17/2007 10:49:43 AM PST by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
Saw it ... Good job.


Maybe twice will make it stick.

20 posted on 12/17/2007 10:50:13 AM PST by G.Mason (And what is intelligence if not the craft of out-thinking our adversaries?)
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To: G.Mason

At least I was right in the fact that the original language left it open and needed to be addressed. Glad they got around to doing that in 1804. haha!


21 posted on 12/17/2007 10:56:44 AM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

The universe, in their own minds.


22 posted on 12/17/2007 10:56:52 AM PST by RockinRight (Fred Thompson spells gravitas B-A-L-L-S-O-F-S-T-E-E-L.)
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To: calcowgirl

If Bloomy’s a centrist, then who is to the Left of him???


23 posted on 12/17/2007 10:58:32 AM PST by NeoCaveman (No handshows - Fred Dalton Thompson for President 2008, take that Nurse Rached debate moderator lady)
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To: So Cal Rocket
The last sentence of the 12th Amendment was necessary, because that amendment allowed the Vice President to be elected separately (technically at least) from the President. The original Electoral College (Article II, Section 1, Clause 3) had the Vice President be the Presidential candidate that finished second, so there was no need to have VP qualifications.

Hopefully Mayor Mike and the Govenator read this post. Once again, the Constitution serves as an inconvenience to Liberals.

24 posted on 12/17/2007 11:00:15 AM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
At least I was right in the fact that the original language left it open and needed to be addressed.

Well, not quite. Before the 12th Amendment, the VP was just the guy who ran for president and finished second. So before the 12th amendment, you couldn't become vice president unless you could run for president.

25 posted on 12/17/2007 11:00:45 AM PST by kalt
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To: Repeal 16-17

D’oh! Beat me by 30 seconds.


26 posted on 12/17/2007 11:01:17 AM PST by kalt
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To: calcowgirl
Bloomie and Arnie shared a few centrist photo ops.

Centrist photo ops??? Neither of those two are centrists by any convoluted definition of the term. Bloomie is about as liberal as anyone this side of a card carrying communist can be, and Ahhnold isn't exactly a reincarnation of Barry Goldwater. God forbid that either one ever gets within a country mile of the White House or Congress.

27 posted on 12/17/2007 11:05:31 AM PST by epow
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To: kalt
So before the 12th amendment, you couldn't become vice president unless you could run for president.

Sure you can. You can always run for a seat without meeting the qualifications . . . as long as no one sues to have you removed from the ballot.

28 posted on 12/17/2007 11:10:21 AM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
Sure you can. You can always run for a seat without meeting the qualifications . . . as long as no one sues to have you removed from the ballot.

Well, by that reasoning, Arnie could run for president now. The point is that he would have been just as unqualified to be VP before the 12th Amendment as he is now.

Even without a lawsuit, you need Congress to count the electoral votes when it convenes to do so. They have excluded votes cast for ineligible people before (like three electoral votes cast for the deceased Horace Greeley in 1872).

29 posted on 12/17/2007 11:14:04 AM PST by kalt
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
You can always run for a seat without meeting the qualifications . . . as long as no one sues to have you removed from the ballot.

The Congress (the body that counts the Electoral Votes) would vote that the Electoral Votes for Arnie to be VP are void as Unconstitutional. That wouldn't affect any Electoral Votes for Mayor Mike.

30 posted on 12/17/2007 11:14:57 AM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: kalt

This time you beat me.


31 posted on 12/17/2007 11:15:38 AM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: calcowgirl

If Bloomie runs, it will be 1992 all over again.


32 posted on 12/17/2007 11:17:07 AM PST by freespirited (Still a proud member of the Stupid Party. It beats the Evil Party any day of the week.)
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To: freespirited
If Bloomie runs, it will be 1992 all over again.

No way. Only Liberals would vote for Mayor Mike. He would take votes from the (D) candidate, not the (R) candidate.

33 posted on 12/17/2007 11:26:34 AM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: Repeal 16-17

Repeated polls show him taking votes from the R candidate and giving the election to Hillary. Check Ras Reports.


34 posted on 12/17/2007 11:41:03 AM PST by freespirited (Still a proud member of the Stupid Party. It beats the Evil Party any day of the week.)
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To: calcowgirl

Yeah, Arnie is doing a “great” job out here in CA. In no small part thanks to him and the Democratic controlled legislature, we’re running a 14B dollar deficit!

Hey but I voted for Tom McClintock...if only he was the governor now.


35 posted on 12/17/2007 11:47:46 AM PST by Signalman
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If foreigner Arnold were eligible to run, they could carry California and New York. That’s all. Bloomberg is no centrist. On abortion, he is a particularly bloodthirsty zealot who favors government subsidized killing of the innocent unborn for any reason or no reason through all nine months of pregnancy. He favors partial birth abortion and has compelled interns in city hospitals to participate in abortions—no conscience clause allowed. He favors homosexual marriage. He has continued Guiliani’s policy of making NY a sanctuary city in which the police and other municipal authorities are actually forbidden from cooperating with federal immigration agents. Only the left-wing MSM could consider this despicable runt a centrist.


36 posted on 12/17/2007 12:01:38 PM PST by Godwin1
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To: Godwin1

Bloomberg opposes the death penalty. Support for the death penalty is a prerequisite for being considered a centrist.


37 posted on 12/17/2007 12:05:06 PM PST by Revenge of Sith
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To: RockinRight

I’m a “centrist”, I’m slap in the middle, where The Constitution is! Not one of these dipshits has a clue, about the underlying principles of this republic. The truth just doesn’t shift around, it just sits there, like it, or not!


38 posted on 12/17/2007 2:18:13 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: calcowgirl

The rumor I heard was that Bloombird wants to run with the head of the GAO. Maybe he’s giving lots of guys a waltz around the room.


39 posted on 12/17/2007 2:21:51 PM PST by firebrand
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To: Repeal 16-17

With Bill Clinton begging him not to run, looks like you’re right.


40 posted on 12/17/2007 2:23:32 PM PST by firebrand
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To: Revenge of Sith

So who would be to the right of such a centrist on this issue? Someone who wants people publicly drawn and quartered?


41 posted on 12/17/2007 2:25:27 PM PST by firebrand
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To: firebrand
Well, it now appears Bloomberg is denying this. Apparently even he understands the Constitution. I do strongly disagree with his assessment of Arnie's job performance, though:

Bloomberg On Schwarzenegger...

The DN’s Adam Lisberg caught up this morning with Mayor Bloomberg, who, after spending a week in China and Bali, reapplied himself with great vigor to the localest of local issues...

Asked about the last time he saw California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (Kevin Sheekey’s dream VP, according to New York magazine), Bloomberg replied:

“Number one, I had dinner with him on Saturday night. And number two, he couldn’t be vice president. The Constitution is clear. You have to be able to be president to be vice president. I don’t know where that story came from, but the law would not allow it. Incidentally, he’s a great guy. He’d make a great vice president... This guy’s a substantive guy who really is serious about governing, and I think California - he’s going to be term-limited out - California’s going to miss him, because he really has made a difference in his term in his office. But Saturday night’s the answer to your question, and I had steak a la stone.” (snip)

42 posted on 12/17/2007 2:30:29 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
“Centrist”? Center of what?

Center of LEFT, of course.

43 posted on 12/17/2007 2:33:47 PM PST by floozy22
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To: purpleraine; calcowgirl
No he won't! There's nothing of interest to him in being a Senator (1 of 100) as he has said repeatedly!!! He would be terminally bored to terminator tears!!!

That Boxer removal dream died months ago, sorry.

44 posted on 12/17/2007 3:03:56 PM PST by SierraWasp (Too many NIE contributors are ruthless, rogue resistance agents in our own CIA & State Dep!!!)
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To: calcowgirl

Only to a New Yorker would Bloomberg and Schawarzenegger seem like centrists. They’re liberals.


45 posted on 12/17/2007 3:06:17 PM PST by Pining_4_TX
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To: floozy22

I was a Republican conservative back when Goldwater was running. What was Rudy, then? What was Arnold, then?
I never had a reason to change, because I never wanted anything bad enough, to steal it!
I don’t have much, but what I have is honestly mine!
None of these city boys could figure out which leg to piss down, if one of their feet caught fire, except for FRED!
Hell, I could be wrong about him, too! Won’t be the first time! BUAIDH NO BAS


46 posted on 12/17/2007 3:11:26 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: firebrand

I’m talking about centrists in general, not on the issue of the death penalty. “New Democrats” like Bill Clinton and Al Gore tout their support for the death penalty as proof that they’re not liberals and can appeal to swing voters. Even Hillary Clinton says she supports the death penalty. Mike Bloomberg can’t make that claim without flip-flopping.


47 posted on 12/18/2007 11:33:10 AM PST by Revenge of Sith
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To: NonValueAdded

Arnie cannot run - he fails to meet the Constitutional qualification.

Thank God! Now Bloomie would not take votes from Republicans, but Arnie would.


48 posted on 12/18/2007 11:37:48 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: calcowgirl

Those people must be out of their frakkin minds...


49 posted on 12/18/2007 11:42:46 AM PST by Armedanddangerous (Chuin, Master of Sinanju (emeritus))
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To: Revenge of Sith

You said support for the death penalty is essential to being a centrist.


50 posted on 12/18/2007 3:58:56 PM PST by firebrand
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