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Pelosi Says She Miscalculated GOP Determination on Iraq
Congressional Quarterly ^ | Dec. 13, 2007

Posted on 12/18/2007 9:32:04 AM PST by george76

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi , D-Calif., admitted Thursday that she had underestimated the willingness of Republicans to stand behind President Bush’s Iraq policy despite the drubbing the GOP took in the polls in 2006.

“The assumption I made was that the Republicans would soon see the light,” she said. Instead, the minority stuck to the president’s war policy in the face of unrelenting pressure from congressional Democrats and powerful lobbying campaigns by anti-war groups.

Bush has consistently refused to accept any limitations on his authority to direct military operations in Iraq, or on funds destined for the war effort. Democrats have been unable to muster enough votes to force him to accept a timetable for withdrawal of combat troops or a change in their mission in Iraq.

“The grassroots are justifiably disappointed and I am too that we have not done more to end this war,” Pelosi said.

(Excerpt) Read more at cqpolitics.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: boohoo; congress; cultureofcutandrun; democratparty; democrats; elections; iraq; nancypelosi; pelosi; rat; sanfranciscovalues; wariniraq; wot
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1 posted on 12/18/2007 9:32:06 AM PST by george76
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To: george76

Sounds like Pelosi’s got herself into a quagmire of her own, and cut and ran instead of trying the surge.


2 posted on 12/18/2007 9:33:36 AM PST by Always Right
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To: george76

Nancy, you miscalculated our MILITARY’s determination on Iraq.


3 posted on 12/18/2007 9:33:59 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
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To: george76

HEY NANCI, YOU BLOCKHEAD, PERHAPS THAT SUPPORT IS BECAUSE THEY ALL KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF FIGHTING THIS FIGHT AND WINNING THIS WAR. I just can’t believe the arrogant stupidity of these imbeciles.


4 posted on 12/18/2007 9:34:19 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triagle of death)
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To: george76

I was going to say that it’s amazing that this woman still doesn’t get it: the War in Iraq is over; the good guys (US) won, the bad guys (al queda and Dems) lost. But, really, it’s more than amazing; it’s frigtening. To think that someone as obtuse and uneducable is the Speaker of the US House of Repesentatives should send chills up the spine of every freedom-loving American.


5 posted on 12/18/2007 9:35:23 AM PST by lapster
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To: george76
that we have not done more to end this war,

I want the war ended, too, Miss P, but the only dead war is a won war.

6 posted on 12/18/2007 9:35:46 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: george76

Pelosi used the term “miscalculated”. To calculate, one needs a brain. Ergo, she can never miscalculate. Perhaps she can just shake her thingie at some male and attempt to fool him into assuming she is capable of conscious thought. Worked before...she is a “public servant”.


7 posted on 12/18/2007 9:35:51 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: george76

“The grassroots are justifiably disappointed and I am too that we have not done more to end this war,” Pelosi said.

We are doing what we need to do to end this war - get rid of the bad guys. Not too hard to figure out.


8 posted on 12/18/2007 9:35:52 AM PST by SueRae
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To: george76

This bitch is disconnected from reality. She needs a botox shot in her tongue.


9 posted on 12/18/2007 9:35:59 AM PST by Neoliberalnot
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To: george76

This woman is about as stupid as it’s possible to be.


10 posted on 12/18/2007 9:37:08 AM PST by r9etb
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To: george76

It’s called “convictions”, and I completely understand why someone like you would have trouble wrapping your brain around the concept, Nancy-boy.


11 posted on 12/18/2007 9:37:09 AM PST by ClaudiusI
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To: george76

The Jihad has been going on for 1350+ years, (almost as old as the wrinkles on you butt!) The Iraq War, by normal definitions is OVER, DONE, and we WON! The Jihadist threat continues and you haven’t a clue. Get outta the way!


12 posted on 12/18/2007 9:37:52 AM PST by Young Werther (Julius Caesar (Quae Cum Ita Sunt. Since these things are so.))
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To: Neoliberalnot

She should go back to California and exploit her illegal alien agricultural workers in person, not as an absentee landlord.

She’s nothing but a dirty capitalist pig in disguise.


13 posted on 12/18/2007 9:38:39 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: lapster

I wish I were as optimnistic as you.

I think we’re doing substantially well in Iraq.

But I have serious concerns about the military, judicial and overall civil service structure in Iraq - not to mention the possibility of a civil war occurring if and when we leave.

It’s well understood that nothing comes easy in rebuilding a country like this from the bottom up. There’s gonna be bumps in the road.

In short, I’m not ready to delcare victory yet.


14 posted on 12/18/2007 9:38:44 AM PST by MplsSteve
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To: lapster

well put...I would have to think that the fact that no prominent Democrat can seem to bring themselves to publically congratulate our troops on their success will come back and bite them.


15 posted on 12/18/2007 9:39:36 AM PST by ghost of nixon
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To: george76

Can’t the woman count? She had less of a majority to work with than Newt had in 1995. If the voters were against the war in November, 1996, it was because things were going badly in Iraq. She bet the farm on the failure of the “surge.” hoping to break away some pubbies before the Surge really began in June? I’ll give Boehner credit. He will make an effective speaker if we win in’08.


16 posted on 12/18/2007 9:40:54 AM PST by RobbyS
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To: Cicero

I’d prefer she return the the East Coast where she originated from. We don’t want her here in Cali.


17 posted on 12/18/2007 9:41:03 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triagle of death)
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To: george76

Nancy miscalculated the determination of Americans to win. If she were in fact an American, she would understand.


18 posted on 12/18/2007 9:41:15 AM PST by Captain Pike
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To: Grampa Dave; SunkenCiv
she had mis-underestimated ...
19 posted on 12/18/2007 9:41:20 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: All

Let me guess, she still has no intention of stopping her parties efforts to un-win the war before the election.


20 posted on 12/18/2007 9:44:06 AM PST by The Toll
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To: george76

Typical of libs in congress.

They only listen to the nuts in their district and themselves in DC.

If Nancy had driven away from GayFrisco or LA, she would have heard the real American people.

She tried to push the Dixie Chick Marketing strategy in Congress and that has turned around and bitten her botoxed bottom.


21 posted on 12/18/2007 9:44:59 AM PST by Grampa Dave ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!"- Jim Robinson, Sept, 30, 2007)
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To: george76
So,the Republicans are wrong and incapable of being enlightened?

In her view, there is one side to every argument.

22 posted on 12/18/2007 9:46:06 AM PST by pfflier
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To: george76
she had mis-underestimated ... - Has there ever been an opponent (or some supporters) of President Bush that did not?
23 posted on 12/18/2007 9:46:38 AM PST by SF Republican
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To: george76

Who does this witch think she is?


24 posted on 12/18/2007 9:47:28 AM PST by wastedyears ("I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: george76

The resolve of the GOP in Iraq is not the result of a “calculation”. It comes as a realization that defeat is not an option. Not everything is political Nancy.


25 posted on 12/18/2007 9:48:00 AM PST by yooling (Bring the troops home; bring the war home)
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To: george76
she had underestimated the willingness of Republicans to stand behind President Bush’s Iraq policy

No. She misunderestimated the American people's recognition that we must defeat and destroy the thug islamofascist terrorists, and she also misunderestimated the American military's courage, strength, skill, and determination.

26 posted on 12/18/2007 9:48:20 AM PST by hsalaw
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To: george76

The Democrats should recognize that Congresss is a quagmire! Pull out!


27 posted on 12/18/2007 9:48:26 AM PST by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: SoldierDad

Hey Nancy......I possess something you will never have........... an IQ....


28 posted on 12/18/2007 9:49:31 AM PST by joe fonebone (When in danger, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout)
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To: george76

`Baghdad Nan, please pick-up the white courtesy phone or call Hanoi Jane. Baghdad Nan . . . “


29 posted on 12/18/2007 9:50:11 AM PST by tumblindice (How to tell you've won an argument with a liberal: suddenly, you're "dumb" and the argument is over.)
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To: george76

And she’s ugly too.


30 posted on 12/18/2007 9:50:52 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Before the government can give you a dollar it must first take it from another American)
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To: Cicero

You brought up an interesting angle (capitalist pig in disguise). Not a very good disguise if we can see it.

But it brings up the larger thing and that is liberal guilt. I suspect a lot of them are ‘greedy’ for power or money, but need to project a humble, ‘doing it for everyone else’ persona. It is darn tough to not be true to yourself, because it is very hard to lie to yourself when you know it’s not true (ie you still have a functioning conscience that reminds you you’re lying) without going certifiable.

The problem stems from the fact most of them believe that people start out inherently good, and become bad. They have inner conflicts because that doesn’t jive with how they currently feel about themselves (self loathing, etc) but at the same time they are pushing standards and encouraging steps to be taken that they know themselves they won’t do. Plus then having to act outraged if anyone calls them on anything close to resembling hypocracy, they won’t even debate things anymore and say ‘the time of discussion about ‘x’ is over.’

The self loathing comes from their belief that everyone starts out good - but they do a personal inventory and see how bad their motives are, andthe tactics they have to use to trick others to believing things, and wonder how they got so cynical. They either go nuts, or buy into the ‘end justifies the means’ concept, or get called on it at some point and have a breakdown, with or without a meaningful revelation.


31 posted on 12/18/2007 9:51:22 AM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: george76
“But they are sticking with the president on this.”

The American public also taketh away.
32 posted on 12/18/2007 9:51:59 AM PST by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since 1991.)
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To: Always Right

I really believed she misread the American people. I see her getting more and more in the middle. She has been forced to govern in the middle. Interesting that this happened when we always think it happens with the Republicans.


33 posted on 12/18/2007 9:53:04 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: george76
What on earth does she mean by “see the light”? That she still thinks surrender is a good idea despite everything that has happened there in the last six months? That she had hoped to rope Republican representatives into the septic little fantasy world of her netroots? Sorry, Nan, I don’t think so. Let them seethe - they deserve it.
34 posted on 12/18/2007 9:54:20 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: george76

Pelosi misjudged the determination of wackjob terrorists in Iraq, Afganistan, and in the DNC.


35 posted on 12/18/2007 9:55:12 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: napscoordinator

Kinda lets the cat out of the bag that the Dems would have done nothing after 9-11 except send money to New York State.


36 posted on 12/18/2007 9:55:18 AM PST by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: Da Coyote

Probably because this calculation would have involved more than just the use of her ten fingers.

Pelosi completely misread the 2006 election, or she had also completely forgotten the Dem strategy during same. They ran CONSERVATIVE Democrats which beat LIBERAL Republicans that the right refused to return to the House again.

If Nancy saw this election as a mandate on Iraq, she should ask herself why there is no flooding of the phones/email when they have a vote on appropriation a la the “surge” that hit them when they tried to give illegals amnesty. They have no answer for that.

All Republicans have to do in the House seat elections this time is put up a picture of Nancy and Harry Reid and say “DO YOU REALLY WANT TWO MORE YEARS OF THIS??”


37 posted on 12/18/2007 9:55:18 AM PST by Right Cal Gal (Remember Billy Dale!!!)
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To: lapster

I was going to say that it’s amazing that this woman still doesn’t get it: the War in Iraq is over; the good guys (US) won, the bad guys (al queda and Dems) lost. But, really, it’s more than amazing; it’s frigtening. To think that someone as obtuse and uneducable is the Speaker of the US House of Repesentatives should send chills up the spine of every freedom-loving American.

Because of your post, she will now claim victory on the war and will now demand to bring the troops home now. Please keep your post on among FRiends...thanks. lol.


38 posted on 12/18/2007 9:55:36 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: george76

This will be Nancy’s one and only leadership role. She will be voted out by Hoyer in 2008. I can almost see the democrats going around trying to get votes for different people already.


39 posted on 12/18/2007 9:57:08 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: george76

Pelosi and bin Laden thought they would have defeated America by now.


40 posted on 12/18/2007 9:57:54 AM PST by Doctor Raoul (Columbia = Ayatollah U.)
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To: george76

Yeah that was such a plan, tell the troops to go to war then tell the troops and the families who’s family members died — just kidding. How do you sleep at night when that was the Democrat’s plan from the beginning.


41 posted on 12/18/2007 9:59:04 AM PST by Tarpon
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To: napscoordinator

The funny thing is that you’re probably right. In fact, I’ve been quite surprised of late that the Dems hadn’t already crowed that the entire turn of fortune in Iraq came about because they so courageously forced Bush’s hand. It would be a lie, of course. But, then, that’s pretty much DNC SOP, isn’t it?


42 posted on 12/18/2007 9:59:09 AM PST by lapster
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To: george76

Nancy Pelosi must be living in a parallel universe of her own creation. I’m tempted to give her a large quantity of dope slaps, but I don’t know how effective that would be.


43 posted on 12/18/2007 9:59:21 AM PST by shekkian
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To: george76

hey pelousy, you want to end the war ?

then win it


44 posted on 12/18/2007 9:59:48 AM PST by daku ("My dream continues with ferocity, thank you.")
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To: Cicero
She’s nothing but a dirty capitalist pig in disguise.

Them there's fightin' words to us Dirty Capitalist Pigs.

45 posted on 12/18/2007 10:00:14 AM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: RobbyS
"... before the Surge really began in June?

Yes it actually began when the final contingent of troops and equipment arrived during the second week of June '07.

46 posted on 12/18/2007 10:00:25 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: george76
Democrat Pelosi Overestimated Islamo-Facists Capabilities.

Democrat Pelosi Underestimated American Resolve.
47 posted on 12/18/2007 10:03:06 AM PST by ricks_place
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To: r9etb

This is what happens when the democrat party throws away whatever independent thinking and values it had and hooks up with radical fringe groups like MoveOn.org.


48 posted on 12/18/2007 10:04:40 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Ron Paul put the cuckoo in my Cocoa Puffs)
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To: Right Cal Gal
Pelosi completely misread the 2006 election, or she had also completely forgotten the Dem strategy during same. They ran CONSERVATIVE Democrats which beat LIBERAL Republicans that the right refused to return to the House again.
And it's a strategy the Beast wants to use, cast herself as a "conservative Democrat" and run against a liberal Republican, like Huckabee, and repeat the 2006 Democrat success.
49 posted on 12/18/2007 10:05:28 AM PST by samtheman (Huckabee: Praise the Lord, Raise the Taxes. Some Christians: Amen.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Yes. That’s the liberal way.

Why give your own money for what you consider to be good causes, when you can force someone else to pay for it through taxes.

In the same way, why confess and repent your own sins when you can assuage your vague and foggy sense of guilt by blaming someone else and making them pay the penalty?

Like clinton going to Africa to apologize for slave owning Americans of 150 years ago, while he shrugs off the mass murder of Africans practically right in front of him.

If you are committing adultery, surely that’s not as bad as someone else’s racism? If you are taking bribes and belong to a corrupt political family that became rich by taking bribes, surely that’s not as bad as being a white male warmonger?


50 posted on 12/18/2007 10:05:46 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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