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Commission says Virginia canít deny all illegals bail
Examiner ^ | 12/14/07 | Dan Genz

Posted on 12/18/2007 10:08:53 AM PST by freespirited

The Virginia State Crime Commission Thursday rejected a plan to deny bail to all illegal immigrants arrested for minor crimes, saying the proposal would be impractical.

Jail overcrowding problems and financial limitations forced the commission to scuttle the idea, which is likely to come before the General Assembly in January.

“If we denied bail to every illegal immigrant, pretty soon, Fairfax County would be broke,” said Del. David Albo, R-Fairfax County.

Instead, the commission endorsed an alternative that would deny bail to any illegal immigrants the federal government would pay to hold as they awaited trial. It’s not clear how many of the thousands of illegal immigrants who are processed at local jails would face no-bail restrictions, or how much that would cost.

While the most dangerous suspects are already held without bail, lawmakers have been trying to reject bail for more illegal immigrants.

The commission’s plan would direct the state to work with federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials to determine which crimes would meet guidelines to merit deportation proceedings. “What we decided to do would be to deny bail to all illegal immigrants ICE would pay for,” he said, noting it is not clear which crimes would make the cut.

The decision was hailed as common sense by immigrant advocates and harshly opposed by others who had hoped to keep them behind bars.

“I don’t understand why they think an illegal immigrant who has committed a crime against a Virginia resident should be released on bond when there is a very good chance they will not return for trial,” Prince William County Chairman Corey Stewart said.

Gov. Tim Kaine had expressed support for such a plan in the fall but had warned that it would carry a huge price tag. Mexicans Without Borders coordinator John Steinbach said the commission finally grasped the notion that the vast majority of illegal immigrants are not threats to the community and that holding them all would be impossible.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; bail; crimigrants; illegals; immigrantlist
Gov. Tim Kaine had expressed support for such a plan in the fall but had warned that it would carry a huge price tag.

If it would carry a huge price tag, that has to mean that illegals commit a huge number of crimes in the state. Otherwise, the cost of holding them should be something that a state as prosperous as Virginia could handle.

“If we denied bail to every illegal immigrant [who commits a crime], pretty soon, Fairfax County would be broke,” said Del. David Albo, R-Fairfax County.

This comment is even more telling. Fairfax County supposedly has the highest per capita income in the country. If it can't afford to hold illegals who commit crimes, they must be committing quite a lot of it.

1 posted on 12/18/2007 10:08:55 AM PST by freespirited
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To: freespirited
“If we denied bail to every illegal immigrant, pretty soon, Fairfax County would be broke,” said Del. David Albo, R-Fairfax County.

That's what we have DEPORTATION for, you moron!

2 posted on 12/18/2007 10:10:34 AM PST by Wil H
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To: freespirited

Pay the costs of jailing illegals by fining their employers.


3 posted on 12/18/2007 10:11:00 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: freespirited
The Virginia State Crime Commission Thursday rejected a plan to deny bail to all illegal immigrants arrested for minor crimes, saying the proposal would be impractical.

The question is why do we need state elected officials if the state is going to be run by an unelected crime commission?

4 posted on 12/18/2007 10:13:16 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: freespirited
What we need is a Federal law which states that when the INS gets a call from any state,country or local police department or sheriff's office or any other law enforcement agency that it has in custody a person who is known to be,or suspected to be,in this country illegally the INS must come and take this individual into custody within 12 hours of having received the call.

No exceptions.

5 posted on 12/18/2007 10:14:35 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Wanna see how bad it can get? Elect Hillary and find out.)
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To: freespirited
Mexicans Without Borders coordinator John Steinbach said the commission finally grasped the notion that the vast majority of illegal immigrants are not threats to the community and that holding them all would be impossible.

Wow! Even the pro-illegal bunch admits they commit a large number of crimes.

6 posted on 12/18/2007 10:15:26 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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To: freespirited
“If we denied bail to every illegal immigrant, pretty soon, Fairfax County would be broke,” said Del. David Albo, R-Fairfax County. DelDAlbo@house.state.va.us
7 posted on 12/18/2007 10:16:41 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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8 posted on 12/18/2007 10:17:19 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: freespirited

This is the same Dave Albo who came up with the new “traffic violation fines,” which are MASSIVE annuals fees taken from Virginians for thinks like speeding. And it only applies to Virginians. The thousands of commuters from D.C., Maryland, North Carolina, Tennessse and other states are covered, so there goes the “safety” argument.

The bill forces more Virginians to hire lawyers to fight tickets in court. And Dave Albo just happens to be a lawyer specializing in traffic cases. Ka-ching!


9 posted on 12/18/2007 10:19:53 AM PST by VirginiaConstitutionalist (Illegals contribute more taxes than welfare recipients. Maybe we're deporting the wrong people.)
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To: Wil H
That's what we have DEPORTATION for, you moron!

The county doesn't have the authority to deport them.

They are saying that they will hold all illegals that ICE will deport since ICE will pay for the costs of holding them.

The real problem is with the federal government not doing their job, which puts state and local governments in a horrible situation.

What the state and local governments can do it make it harder for illegal immigrants to find housing and jobs.

That will make many self deport, and also make many not fight their deportation, which means the courts can process more deportations more quickly.

The state and local governments need to stop providing havens for illegal immigrants, and to make life more difficult for them. However, deporting them is still the role of the federal government.

10 posted on 12/18/2007 10:20:44 AM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: freespirited
Haven't they ever heard of a Mexican jumping bean.....er, bail?

Leni

11 posted on 12/18/2007 10:21:43 AM PST by MinuteGal (Three Cheers for the FRed, White and Blue !!!)
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To: Gay State Conservative
What we need is a Federal law which states that when the INS

That is the answer another federal law mandating they do the job they have already been mandated to do by law. How many mandates do you think it will take.

12 posted on 12/18/2007 10:23:55 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: VirginiaConstitutionalist

He is really an over the top rino that needs to be voted out of office.


13 posted on 12/18/2007 10:25:54 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: EDINVA; iceskater; xyz123; Corin Stormhands; jla; Flora McDonald; GeorgeW23225; GottaLuvAkitas1; ...

Virginia ping


14 posted on 12/18/2007 10:29:16 AM PST by freespirited (Still a proud member of the Stupid Party. It beats the Evil Party any day of the week.)
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To: freespirited
“If we denied bail to every illegal immigrant, pretty soon, Fairfax County would be broke,” said Del. David Albo, R-Fairfax County

However, if you let them go, Fairfax County will be broken. What happened to ICE picking them up and deporting them? Is it not in the law of the land?

15 posted on 12/18/2007 10:45:00 AM PST by melancholy (Beware of Ho Chi Minh's offspring, Ho She Marx , invading the WH.)
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To: Cicero

BINGO!

Charge the “magnets” for attracting these illegals into the country....
Remove the “cheap labor” that has become so expensive and destructive to our society and culture.
The “giveaways” offered to illegals INCLUDE those given by City, State and Federal agencies -— they too should be SHUT OFF.

Then — everyone could learn from the successes of LOW COST incarceration of criminals from Sheriff Joe Arpaio in Arizona....

Criminals are NOT entitled to a “rose garden” encarceration....prior to being deported back to their Turd World home they honor more than the country they’ve escaped to....

They should NOT be any more comfortable than our warriors in harm’s way.....


16 posted on 12/18/2007 10:53:22 AM PST by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: freespirited

IOW illegal aliens have a free pass to commit crime while citizens CAN be denied bail.


17 posted on 12/18/2007 10:53:29 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: freespirited
determine which crimes would meet guidelines to merit deportation proceedings.

Doesn't simply being caught here merit deportation proceedings? Or am I missing something?

18 posted on 12/18/2007 11:03:16 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Wil H

If we denied a FCPS education to all illegals and their offspring, Fairfax would be a lot richer. What is it with guys like Albo?


19 posted on 12/18/2007 11:53:50 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: freespirited

They should be sent back to wherever they came from, and the nation of their origin billed for the cost of apprending and trying them. If said naiton will not pay what they are assessed, their assets in America should be seized to pay said assessments.


20 posted on 12/18/2007 1:17:42 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: freespirited
Once they figure out how to make money off of illegals, they'll start getting serious about catching them. In this article, they all but admit that if they release them on bail, they'll never see them again. (until the next time they are arrested) I thought that bail was a means for ensuring that people show up for trial. If they know they aren't going to show up, why the hell are they releasing them? Why the hell aren't the bail amounts enough to make them show up?

This is just another example of how laws only apply to you and me.




21 posted on 12/18/2007 1:52:21 PM PST by zeugma (Hillary! - America's Ex-Wife!)
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To: freespirited
Sorry, but that idiocy is far too much for me to handle right now.
22 posted on 12/18/2007 4:53:47 PM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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