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ET Too Bored By Earth Transmissions To Respond
New Scientist ^ | 12-18-2007 | Tom Simonite

Posted on 12/18/2007 2:29:34 PM PST by blam

ET too bored by Earth transmissions to respond

16:35 18 December 2007
NewScientist.com news service
Tom Simonite

Messages sent into space directed at extraterrestrials may have been too boring to earn a reply, say two astrophysicists trying to improve on their previous alien chat lines.

Humans have so far sent four messages into space intended for alien listeners. But they have largely been made up of mathematically coded descriptions of some physics and chemistry, with some basic biology and descriptions of humans thrown in.

Those topics will not prove gripping reading to other civilisations, says Canadian astrophysicist Yvan Dutil. If a civilisation is advanced enough to understand the message, they will already know most of its contents, he says: "After reading it, they will be none the wiser about us humans and our achievements. In some ways, we may have been wasting our telescope time."

In 1999 and 2003, Dutil and fellow researcher Stephane Dumas beamed messages in a language of their own design into space. Now, they are working to compose more interesting messages.

"The question is, what is interesting to an extraterrestrial?" Dutil told New Scientist. "We think the answer is using some common ground to communicate things about humanity that will be new or different to them – like social features of our society." Fortunately those subjects are already being described mathematically by economists, physicists and sociologists, he adds.

Vexing problems

One topic the two researchers are already composing messages about is the so-called 'cake cutting problem'. "How do you share out resources is a classical problem for all civilisations," he says.

Democracy is also a potentially eye- or antenna- catching subject. "The maths shows that with more than two choices,

(Excerpt) Read more at space.newscientist.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; et; nasa; seti

1 posted on 12/18/2007 2:29:36 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

they are to busy laughing about global warming.


2 posted on 12/18/2007 2:30:50 PM PST by JohnLongIsland
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To: blam

Send them E.T. They could have a flying bike here!


3 posted on 12/18/2007 2:32:06 PM PST by neodad (USS Wabash (AOR 5))
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To: blam

Maybe they are using quantum modulation to communicate.

The galactic internet is all around us!

But we’re too stupid yet to jack in.


4 posted on 12/18/2007 2:32:26 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: blam

Unfortunately, the ET’s have been intercepting MTV and rap videos and are seriously considering whiping out the planet.


5 posted on 12/18/2007 2:32:28 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: blam
If I were an alien civilization, I'd send hordes of flying saucers buzzing over world capitals just to watch the puny humans run back and forth like terrified little ants.

But that's just me...
6 posted on 12/18/2007 2:34:06 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Ron Paul put the cuckoo in my Cocoa Puffs)
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To: blam; All

When I was younger, my mom would say, “If ET can phone home, why cant you?” I think I will forward this too her for a good laugh.


7 posted on 12/18/2007 2:34:21 PM PST by duck duck goose (Proud daughter of a retired Air Force CMSGT.)
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To: blam
I think some sort of musical, rhythmic signal might be good. Something that shows a pattern, but not necessarily a mathematical encoding. Then follow up with the math stuff. (We covered the math encoding in college astronomy. Was a fun class. Seriously.)
8 posted on 12/18/2007 2:34:23 PM PST by scan59 (Let consumers dictate market policies. Government just gets in the way.)
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To: blam

But have they tried the Martian “ack ack ack?”


9 posted on 12/18/2007 2:36:32 PM PST by EggsAckley
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To: blam

We’ll be beaming the 2008 Democratic National Convention out into space. Why would any self-respecting ET be caught dead on such a planet?


10 posted on 12/18/2007 2:36:41 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: blam
"The question is, what is interesting to an extraterrestrial?"

Old Star Trek reruns.

11 posted on 12/18/2007 2:36:47 PM PST by nonsporting
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To: scan59
Like this?
12 posted on 12/18/2007 2:36:59 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: blam

“We know that every human social network behaves as a gas...”
LOL


13 posted on 12/18/2007 2:37:05 PM PST by Dr. Zzyzx
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To: blam

14 posted on 12/18/2007 2:37:24 PM PST by The South Texan (The Drive By Media is America's worst enemy and American people don't know it.)
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To: blam
“To Serve Man”

Bake slowly for seven hours, pull apart meat and mix with Earth sauce, serve on a bed of Earth vegetation, with cold sweet Earth tea.

15 posted on 12/18/2007 2:38:35 PM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: blam
"The question is, what is interesting to an extraterrestrial?"

Let the Nigerians write the message....

16 posted on 12/18/2007 2:39:17 PM PST by r9etb
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To: blam

Aliens are only listening for whale songs anyway.


17 posted on 12/18/2007 2:42:50 PM PST by T.Smith
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To: blam

Send them Star Wars or Star Trek movies, and they will will be scared sh—less of us.


18 posted on 12/18/2007 2:43:40 PM PST by Captainpaintball
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To: r9etb

Penthouse Forum letters might pique their interest.


19 posted on 12/18/2007 2:44:10 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Like this?

Do, Do, Duh, Duh, Duhhhh

20 posted on 12/18/2007 2:44:28 PM PST by scan59 (Let consumers dictate market policies. Government just gets in the way.)
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To: T.Smith
"Aliens are only listening for whale songs anyway."

I think you're correct. Listen...I think they mention something about Paul McCartney

Songs Of The Whale

21 posted on 12/18/2007 2:47:44 PM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
"too stupid yet to jack in."

That's because they want a 2 light-year commitment contract.

22 posted on 12/18/2007 2:48:44 PM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: The South Texan

So you really think that’s his finger, huh?


23 posted on 12/18/2007 2:49:16 PM PST by SampleMan (We are a free and industrious people. Socialist nannies do not become us.)
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To: Kirkwood
Penthouse Forum letters might pique their interest.

I live on a small planet in a remote arm of the galaxy, and I never thought this would happen to me.....

24 posted on 12/18/2007 2:50:02 PM PST by r9etb
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To: The South Texan

At least it ain’t brown...is it?


25 posted on 12/18/2007 2:51:41 PM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: r9etb
Let the Nigerians write the message....

Dear Klaatu,

My name is BARBARA BUSH, mother of American President (EARTH) George W. Bush, wife of former American President (EARTH) George H. W. Bush.

I have recently inherited the sum of TEN TRILLION DOLLARS ($ - US - EARTH) but cannot obtain the money, located in GENEVA SWITZERLAND (EARTH), due to ongoing legalisms.

If you Mr. Klaatu go to the bank, I will happily give you 1/10 (ONE TRILLION DOLLARS US, EARTH) of the money. Please respond IMMEDIATELY if you are interested in flying your saucer to us. I have no desire in bamboozling you.

With warm and cordially greeting,

Mrs. Barbara Bush

26 posted on 12/18/2007 2:51:49 PM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker

Excellent.... glad I left the actual writing to the professionals! ;-)


27 posted on 12/18/2007 2:54:17 PM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb
"Excellent.... glad I left the actual writing to the professionals! ;-)"

LOL.

28 posted on 12/18/2007 2:56:20 PM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam

Didn’t NASA send some chuck Berry music out with the voyager mission?


29 posted on 12/18/2007 2:59:36 PM PST by Repeal The 17th
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To: blam

Send porn. That should get their interest ;-)


30 posted on 12/18/2007 3:10:31 PM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: blam
Maybe that’s where the Ron Paul campaign is picking up all those unregistered gold bars.
31 posted on 12/18/2007 3:11:14 PM PST by BlazingArizona
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To: blam
Want a response?

"Hey Xenons! We pimp your women for cash."

32 posted on 12/18/2007 3:18:19 PM PST by Rudder
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To: blam

I for one welcome our Insect Overlords.


33 posted on 12/18/2007 3:22:40 PM PST by Borges
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To: blam

The aliens checked us out, but all they saw was billions and billions of Tards.


34 posted on 12/18/2007 3:23:23 PM PST by GaltMeister (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.)
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To: blam
We are a planet full of vain anger prone nuclear war making savages with opposable thumbs in search of a socialist sponsor. What’s not to like?
35 posted on 12/18/2007 3:23:55 PM PST by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: blam
I think they mention something about Paul McCartney

Well, McCartney did that say Venus and Mars are alright tonight.

Speaking of which, I believe Mars will making its closest approach this year in less than twenty minutes...

36 posted on 12/18/2007 3:26:25 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: blam

If I was ET I’d probably not respond either.

This planet is a freak show.....kinda like the interstellar Gong Show but without “Gene Gene the dancin’ machine”.


37 posted on 12/18/2007 3:49:21 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: blam
"How do you share out resources is a classical problem for all civilisations,"


38 posted on 12/18/2007 3:53:08 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: blam

ET’s only concern with us is if we become a pest. I expect they would have no problem weeding planet Earth of advanced hominids.


39 posted on 12/18/2007 3:54:40 PM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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To: blam
If such aliens exist, then it might make sense that they would not respond, especially if they had contact with many other advanced species.

Imagine, if you were taking a stroll on a beach and picked up a plugged wooden 'bottle' which, when you opened it, had a note inside.

Written on the note are a bunch of odd scrawlings which you surmise might be writing. You might throw away the bottle and note right then and there, but just imagine that you actually try to decipher the message and succeed.

On the note is a message from an isolated, and technologically primitive tribe in some jungle in Southeast Asia (the similar tribes in Latin America and Africa don't tend to have coastline). The message asks for you to send a message to the tribe and gives rudimentary instructions on how to travel to them.

Since just writing a message and tossing it into the ocean and hoping that it will drift to the tribe is highly improbable, and crucially because the tribe doesn't have access to the internet, telephones, etc., you would have to go to the airport, buy a ticket to the closest airport to the tribe's location, take some ground transport after arrival, and then walk on foot to meet the tribe. You get the feeling that there is a slim but existent chance that the tribe might kill you due to cultural incompatibility.

At many steps in this process it would be reasonable to just not go ahead with it--there would be little to gain from the tribe, after all.

So for such aliens, they might have to build devices from scratch which for them are outdated just to contact some species which (from their point of view) has little to offer them. Another option would be to physically meet them. But there are risks involved in that.

So why try to contact them?


Hypothetical--there probably aren't such aliens, and humanity would be able to offer them the Gospel, which trumps all their technology (though whether the Gospel would apply to them is a question).

Anyway, that's take on this scenario.

40 posted on 12/18/2007 4:17:21 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: blam

Boobs. Girls got them. Guys like them.


41 posted on 12/18/2007 4:40:29 PM PST by Sunny Poipu (Somebody else in Sunny Poipu for a while.)
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To: blam
Send 'em some Dave Brubeck, Mozart, & Beatles. Follow it with footage of Pamela Anderson. Then, for the coup de gras, footage of A-bombs going off, in case they get any wiley ideas.

'Course, if we want them to stay away, a few pics of Helen Thomas or the Hilinator would do....

42 posted on 12/18/2007 4:47:07 PM PST by Othniel (Mohammad: False Prophet and Smeghead Deluxe....)
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To: Names Ash Housewares; blam
Maybe they are using quantum modulation to communicate. The galactic internet is all around us! But we’re too stupid yet to jack in.

Too true! If insects on Mars were trying to communicate with us on 2.5MHz AM HF frequencies, then we on spread spectrum 2.4GHz WiFi internet would totally miss it, miss it on cell phones, miss it on DishTV (and NFL Network..)

Only some little old lady with an old tube Heathkit would hear anything, and then go back to sleep.

43 posted on 12/18/2007 4:57:42 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Reeses

I could not agree more. War is disgusting and I saw it first hand in Iraq with mass graves etc. etc. etc. Thank God for President Bush. I really think our distant cousins are keeping their distance from us because we are not civilized according to their standards. I know they are there because I had hands on experience with the Roswell debris. It was not ours!!


44 posted on 12/18/2007 5:40:58 PM PST by jesseam (Been there and done that!)
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To: blam

We have heard nothing. It is possible that we are the first to reach this level. It is possible that we are the only ones out there.

Especially if only random chance put us together.


45 posted on 12/18/2007 6:10:18 PM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: sam_paine

Uummm, Heathkit never made kits that could receive anything near that frequency range. AND little old ladies probably couldn’t find rosin core solder or even a pencil tip iron for assembly. meh.


46 posted on 12/18/2007 6:20:09 PM PST by steveo (Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.)
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To: blam

I for one hope we don't send them the latest anti-virus software updates or a morse code translation guide

47 posted on 12/18/2007 10:57:02 PM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Las Vegas Dave; Quix

In the book “Communication with Extraterrestial Intelligence” (Sagan editor — CETI was the old acronym) Thomas J Gold (”Deep Life”, “Power from the Earth”) said “But I am not really willing to accept your premise, because it may well be that the means of communications they have are of a kind that we do not know how to receive, and that they would not have the means of communicating with sufficiently powerful radio or optical signals. That is something which, technologically, is too difficult for them but they would have some other means we would not recognize.” (see also p 210)


48 posted on 12/19/2007 4:44:14 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Tuesday, December 18, 2007___________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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