Posted on 12/18/2007 3:35:08 PM PST by T.L.Sink
To re-elect the Kay Bailey Huthison’s of the world, I guess.
“They were not wrongfully convicted. However, I think the President should commute the sentance.”
Had the drug dealer’s apprehension (and second apprehension) for bringing large quantities of dope in our country been admitted in trial, no doubt Ramos and Compean would be free.
More than likely Ramos and Compean will have their convictions overturned.
Those two BP agents are basically political prisoners, kept there by anti-American/pro-illegal alien politicians.
Avila was their star witness. The prosecution knew the real story of his history, including previous offenses. The prosecution coached their star witness and gave him immunity. This is going to explode in sutton’s face, big time.
This is outrageous.
“The prosecution knew the real story of his history, including previous offenses.”
And what “previous offenses” were those?
For starters:
A Department of Homeland Security memo obtained by WND indicates fingerprints were found on the vehicle abandoned by a Mexican drug smuggler who was given immunity to testify against border agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean, apparently contradicting the U.S. attorney’s claim that he had no evidence to prosecute the smuggler. U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton repeatedly has said there was no evidence at the scene on the Texas border near El Paso that would have permitted his office to investigate, find and prosecute Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila, whose testimony against the officers led to prison terms of more than 10 years. The DHS memo also documents that no fingerprint search was conducted on the vehicle until a full month after the Feb. 17, 2005, incident.
You Johnny Sutton? Most of what you wrote has pretty much been discredited.
Its law and proceddure to allow a defendant to challenge the credibility of a witness.
Also, it is a fact that Ramos and Compean’s superiors were on the scene immediately after the shooting. In fact they ordered the two BPs, along with another officer, to pick up all the used shells. This “didnt report incident to supervisors” is a crock of s-— (this is in the DHS reports)...the superiors were right there on the scene.
All this case was...was to keep the BP from apprehending illegal aliens...and Ramos and Compean were the fall guys. There conviction is one of the most ANTI-AMERICAN acts I have ever seen this Federal Govt conduct
Doesn’t Tancredo know this is unconstitutional?
This is just plain Bullshit. These guys lied about a shooting. I don’t think they should be in jail, but they are no heroes. Had they told the truth, they would not have been prosecuted.
Again....this “didnt report the shooting” mantra isnt true, since their superiors were there immediately on the scene and ordered the BPs to gather up the used shells. Their superiors obviously knew about the shooting....
I doubt this “didnt report the shooting” fallacy really had anything to do with their prosecution, since it was obvious they were looking to bust LEOs that were defending our borders
I urge you to do further research on the case
Disagree. We are being INVADED. It used to be "All's Fair In Love And War." Well pal, we're at war. I wish the illegal dope dealer was DEAD, and that Compean and Ramos were given awards for their defense of our nation. I don't care if they lied. I think more Americans should lie to the government. When my census form comes in two years, I'm going to lie my ass off. Screw them.
Congress lies to us every day. Time for us to do the same if it's in the best interests of the nation.
Excuse my ignorance. Who is “Tane”. I even Googled it and came up with nothing.
Tanc, with a ‘c’. Tancredo
“A Department of Homeland Security memo obtained by WND indicates fingerprints were found on the vehicle abandoned by a Mexican drug smuggler who was given immunity to testify against border agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean, apparently contradicting the U.S. attorney’s claim that he had no evidence to prosecute the smuggler. U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton repeatedly has said there was no evidence at the scene on the Texas border near El Paso that would have permitted his office to investigate, find and prosecute Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila, whose testimony against the officers led to prison terms of more than 10 years. The DHS memo also documents that no fingerprint search was conducted on the vehicle until a full month after the Feb. 17, 2005, incident.”
I have no doubt that DHS may have found fingerprints on the van driven by OAD. Exactly how were they supposed to match them up to him? Ramos and Compean failed to apprehend OAD so he could be subject an identification and a fingerprinting. He had been allowed to escape into Mexico, they didn’t even know his name.
DHS testified that at the time they learned of the possible shooting they had no evidence that they could tie anyone they could get their hands on to the rug run, that the perp had escaped into Mexico and any other leads were dead.. This is absolutely true and accurate. When they were told about his identity by Sanchez, he was still in Mexico, beyond the reach of the DHS. All they had was the word of OAD’s mother, which was translated to Officer Sanchez’s mother in in law, to him and then to higher ups.
They had nothing, zilch, zippo. There was no way to get to OAD and when they were able to contact him he said he wouldn’t talk unless he first had immunity for the pot case.
So the investigators had a decision to make. Drop the whole thing because they couldn’t get to OAD in Mexico or pursue the illegal shooting aspect.
They should have petitioned the Mexican Gov’t to turn him over. That is the bottom line.
I call on W to give Ramos and Compean the same treatmet he gave Libby and commute their sentence for Christmas.
The Constitution gives the pardoning power to the president.
Congress has no business getting involved.
So if the Congress passed a law witholding funds for incarceration of black convicts to the extent that their prison population is in excess of the general population, you would be okay with that, I assume.
Everything I have stated as fact is true, when I have offered an opinion I have noted so. So let’s examine your “evidence”.
“Its law and procedure to allow a defendant to challenge the credibility of a witness.”
Sure, but it is up to the Judge to determine if that information is credible, compelling and whether or not it’s provenance outweighs any prejudicial impact it may have on the jury.
IN this case the Judge firmly said “no”. Now this is the way things work. If you don’t like it, then change the way it is done but again, quit whining about the way court cases have been conducted in the US for 230 years because this time it went bad for a couple guys who shot an illegal alien
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“Also, it is a fact that Ramos and Compean’s superiors were on the scene immediately after the shooting.”
Okay, let’s emphasis “after the shooting” here, your words, not mine.
“In fact they ordered the two BPs, along with another officer, to pick up all the used shells.”
Get this from World Nut Daily? In fact, it was Compean who alone picked up his shell casings, disposed of them and then asked another agent to comb the area after everyone was gone to get any he missed.
That you have this warped view of what happened can only be attributed to belonging to the Art Bell club.
” This “didnt report incident to supervisors” is a crock of s-— (this is in the DHS reports)...the superiors were right there on the scene.”
Yes, AFTER the shooting and when they asked Ramos and/or Compeanwhat happened, they said “noting”. Later at the station when queried again they again said “nothing”.
I guess the supervisors could have waterboarded Ramos and Compean to get the truth out of them, but this id frowned upon by the UN>
“All this case was...was to keep the BP from apprehending illegal aliens...and Ramos and Compean were the fall guys. There conviction is one of the most ANTI-AMERICAN acts I have ever seen this Federal Govt conduct”
Ahhh, the Jorge Bushay/Mexican gubmint/New World Order/Trilaterists/CFR conspiracy paradigm. Any nut job would be incomplete without it.
BTW - When Art Bell says there are “aliens”, he’s talking anout the extraterrestrial variety.
Congress is not trying to pardon, do you not understand that? They can and are certainly asking the president to pardon.
There is no prohibition on that whatsoever.
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