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Cato Scholar Comments on New Energy Bill
Cato Institute ^ | December 19, 2007 | Jerry Taylor

Posted on 12/19/2007 10:12:53 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The energy bill to be signed by the president today is arguably the worst piece of energy legislation ever enacted into law. It will substantially increase the price of automobiles, increase highway fatalities, increase fuel prices, worsen air pollution, and force consumers to buy products (like super-efficient light bulbs) that they manifestly -- and for very good reason -- do not want to buy. It will transfer huge amounts of wealth from the consumer to the farm lobby in the course of promoting a dubious product -- ethanol -- that will make energy supplies less reliable and greenhouse gas emission higher than necessary.


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1 posted on 12/19/2007 10:12:55 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: 3D-JOY; abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; Albion Wilde; alisasny; ALlRightAllTheTime; AlwaysFree; ...

PING!


2 posted on 12/19/2007 10:15:46 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Tagline auction at this location, 01/01/2008)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I said “Cato, you’re making my point.”


3 posted on 12/19/2007 10:16:50 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Who will take the ‘credit’ for this fiasco?


4 posted on 12/19/2007 10:19:45 AM PST by yoe ( NO THIRD TERM FOR THE CLINTON'S!!!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The sad thing about these think tanks is that they divide policy and discuss policy in fine detail and this is not how policy is made. Our process is not reasonable and our politicians are not public spirited enough for the truth to matter one way or another. It’s raw power and political calculation. A corrupt process.


5 posted on 12/19/2007 10:20:59 AM PST by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
... force consumers to buy products (like super-efficient light bulbs)...

Manufactured only by our close friend and ally: CHINA!

This president has been such a disappointment to me that I haven't the time nor the energy to compile the list. His bipartisan, compassionate conservatism may very well cost the nation the White House and it's already cost us the Congress.

6 posted on 12/19/2007 10:21:19 AM PST by fweingart (Life's a bitch. So why vote for one?)
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To: yoe

Whose signature brings the abortion of a mess into law?


7 posted on 12/19/2007 10:22:07 AM PST by fweingart (Life's a bitch. So why vote for one?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Congratulations Bush, this seals the deal on your status as a rotten president. He has sold us down the river, boys.

Random thought: if they can ban light bulbs, they will find a way to ban firearms.


8 posted on 12/19/2007 10:22:11 AM PST by mbs6
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Cato should just barrow my line:

No government in the 6,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don’t let this happen to you.

Our founding fathers understood this and why they demanded limited government.

9 posted on 12/19/2007 10:24:06 AM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Typical Washington pols attempting to control the sometimes free market of goods and services.


10 posted on 12/19/2007 10:29:27 AM PST by gpapa
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To: edcoil

Our government now tells us:

1) How fast we can run water down the drain.
2) What kind of toilet we can sit on.
3) What kind of cars we can drive.
4) What kind of firearms we can own.
5) What type of light bulbs we can use in our houses.
6) Where our children will go to school.
7) What kind of medicines we are allowed to take.
8) What kind of fuel we can put in our car.
9) If/when we are allowed to burn in our fireplaces (Sacramento County).

But, other than that, we have an unobtrusive, limited government that stays out of the details of our lives. Anyone care to add to my list?


11 posted on 12/19/2007 10:34:25 AM PST by mbs6
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I have worked in energy conservation since the Jimmy Carter farce. In my opinion, this article and all your comments concerning the Pres. and this program are a bunch of B.S.

There is many of dime that can be saved. The proof will be in the people who implement this program and not in the mandates in the law. If the automakers do it the cheap way then there is some truth to the article. Automakers have the technology to meet the mileage requirements. Incandescent lamps are a thing of the past. Where it has been important to save money, flourescent, HPS, MV and quarts have replaced these lamps long ago. We did this at our facilities more than 20 years ago. It is time that down home rural USA got off the pot and started following the example.

The proof will be in the pudding not in the law itself. Don’t bash a President for doing the right thing that should have been done long ago.

Shame on all of you.

12 posted on 12/19/2007 10:36:06 AM PST by tryon1ja
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To: tryon1ja

None of this stuff is within the legitimate constitutional authority of the federal government.


13 posted on 12/19/2007 10:39:31 AM PST by B Knotts (Tancredo '08!)
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To: tryon1ja

May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


14 posted on 12/19/2007 10:42:40 AM PST by Little_GTO
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To: Greg F

The other thing about these think tanks is that their “experts” are nothing of the kind.

Take Mr. Taylor, for example. Does he have any science or engineering background in the energy industry?

No. His background is in political science.

I’m rather weary of listening to the prattle and twaddle from lawyers, poli-sci and journalist types on technical issues. I’d like to see an energy bill that has at least *some* technical input from people who might know what the three laws of thermodynamics are.


15 posted on 12/19/2007 10:42:47 AM PST by NVDave
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To: NVDave

This is not a “technical” issue. It’s about freedom - which happens to be a “political” issue.


16 posted on 12/19/2007 10:45:04 AM PST by Doodle
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To: mbs6; edcoil; Badeye
Our government now tells us:

1) How fast we can run water down the drain.
2) What kind of toilet we can sit on.
3) What kind of cars we can drive.
4) What kind of firearms we can own.
5) What type of light bulbs we can use in our houses.
6) Where our children will go to school.
7) What kind of medicines we are allowed to take.
8) What kind of fuel we can put in our car.
9) If/when we are allowed to burn in our fireplaces (Sacramento County).

But, other than that, we have an unobtrusive, limited government that stays out of the details of our lives. Anyone care to add to my list?

It's ok, tho. Badeye doesn't believe we've lost any 'freedoms', thank goodness! =P

17 posted on 12/19/2007 10:46:18 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine

You have to learn to let go, SP.

Sheesh. I don’t agree with you today, didn’t agree with you yesterday, and won’t agree tomorrow. We’ve established this.

Now let it go.

Thanks in advance.

Badeye


18 posted on 12/19/2007 10:48:25 AM PST by Badeye (No thanks, Huck, I'm not whitewashing the fence for you this election cycle)
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To: tryon1ja

Shame on you for supporting the destruction of economic freedom. Economic freedom has done more to alleviate human suffering that banning light-bulbs, cars, or whatever en vogue form of central government planning you support.


19 posted on 12/19/2007 10:48:44 AM PST by mbs6
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To: Doodle

Yes, there are issues of freedom therein.

Trouble is, yahoos like the CATO guys are completely oblivious to larger, longer-term freedom issues: eg, can we develop an energy policy that would cut us loose of middle eastern oil? If we could do that, we could simply walk away from a great deal of turmoil, both financially and militarily.

CATO wants “the free market” to prevail. What these Utopians fail to realize is that there are no free markets in anything other than contraband.


20 posted on 12/19/2007 10:55:01 AM PST by NVDave
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The bill does not call for new drilling, new nuclear plants, or new coal plants. Given that energy independence is a top national security priority, this energy bill helps our enemies. I for one see no reason why I should give up one iota of privacy to government spying or the patriot act if we are going to have wide open borders and be dependent on our enemies to sell us fuel. The borders and our energy policy prove to me that we are not serious about winning the war on terror.


21 posted on 12/19/2007 11:01:44 AM PST by mysterio
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To: Doodle

Amen to that. I am a scientist and what these people support is more religion than science and is an outright abuse of scientific method. They skip straight from the hypothesis step to the conclusion step, all the while ignoring or paying mere tangential attention to the repeatable testing experimentation step.


22 posted on 12/19/2007 11:03:44 AM PST by mbs6
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To: Badeye

I can let it go no prob! I learned my lesson. I can teach you nothing.

In fact, I’m just handing you off to other freedom-loving posters to have their way with you as they see fit. Perhaps they can help you where I have failed.

I’ll keep trying, because you deserve nothing less, “bless your heart,” as we say in the south.

Enjoy!


23 posted on 12/19/2007 11:05:14 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine

You really need to get that ego in check, SP.

Have a good day.


24 posted on 12/19/2007 11:07:41 AM PST by Badeye (No thanks, Huck, I'm not whitewashing the fence for you this election cycle)
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To: mysterio

You nailed it.


25 posted on 12/19/2007 11:09:06 AM PST by quant5
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To: mbs6

10) what kind of car seats our young children sit on.


26 posted on 12/19/2007 11:18:22 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Tagline auction at this location, 01/01/2008)
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To: mysterio
This Energy Bill could hardly be worse and all that voted for or signed it are very suspect. It does nothing to move this economy towards Energy Independence. This is no more than feel good crap that these public servants think will mollify their idiot constituents!
27 posted on 12/19/2007 11:18:26 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: mbs6
"Random thought: if they can ban light bulbs, they will find a way to ban firearms."

And now I'll have to horde 100 watters like ammo. LOL!

28 posted on 12/19/2007 11:18:32 AM PST by penowa
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Wondering what you thought about all this.


29 posted on 12/19/2007 11:24:06 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Tagline auction at this location, 01/01/2008)
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To: tryon1ja

Sorry, you’re a nanny-stater.

I’m sticking with incandescents, thanks. They don’t give me headaches, and they don’t oscillate.

Tell you what - how about we let the market decide, m’kay?

By the way, a bag of Fritos just doubled in price, which pisses me off, and my car pings from the 10% ethanol in the fuel I HAVE to buy.

Buy a magazine, find a corner, and regulate yourself, but leave the rest of us be.


30 posted on 12/19/2007 11:26:53 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: tryon1ja

We will never be able to conserve our way into using less energy. We have a growing population that is growing more affluent each and every year. New electronics are invented all the time, all using electricity. The ONLY affects of stupid laws like this one are to infringe upon our liberties and create market distortions, forcing people to buy what they don’t really want.


31 posted on 12/19/2007 11:28:21 AM PST by Bastiat_Fan
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To: Calpernia

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32 posted on 12/19/2007 11:29:24 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Bad!! But, but, but, Senor Jorge Bush said it was a good bill. But, then he is a RINOcrat, full of himself as he destroys the conservative movement. I am beginning to think he was a Marxist plant in the republican party, to destroy conservatism and republicans, then come back to them as a conquering hero.
33 posted on 12/19/2007 11:31:12 AM PST by RetiredArmy (Better prepare, come Nov 08, we have a Marxist Commissar President and Marxist Congress.)
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To: tryon1ja
Perhaps you will benefit by the ridiculous mandates in this bill. You favor central planning. This bill is just a Soviet style central plan. I can remember the laughs after each Soviet central plan was made. No one thought that the central plans could be achieved. The market can find the solutions demanded by consumers, not central planners. When fuel and energy prices are high, substitutes and other measures will be found. The market will determine winners and losers by the collection of individual choices of consumers and producers.

These mandates will lead to boondoggles. How do these wise central planners know how much bio fuels should be used in our fuel supply 20 years in the future? Why do we need massive subsidies and mandates when the prices of fuel and energy are so high? How do these wise central planners know which technologies will be appropriate?

Bush knows better about energy policy. I cannot believe that he would sign such a monstrous bill. Shame on Republicans for promoting this sham.

34 posted on 12/19/2007 11:42:12 AM PST by businessprofessor
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To: tryon1ja

B.S., eh?

Does this Bill allow the streamlining of new refineries? New nuclear power stations? Cut away the red tape to replace and/or renew the power grid infrastructure? Remove the restrictions that put nearly all of our own oil and coal off limits to extraction?

No. It does none of that. Instead, it merely continues and reinforces the same imbecile dem party enviro-nazi schemes and sloganworthy pop-culture cures that have been shown through hard experience not to work. In fact, in nearly all cases they make matters worse.

President Bush has just stabbed us all in the back again.


35 posted on 12/19/2007 11:47:54 AM PST by BrewingFrog (I brew, therefore I am!)
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To: BrewingFrog
President Bush has just stabbed us all in the back again.

My only surprise is that people are surprised by this still.

36 posted on 12/19/2007 12:10:12 PM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

“”The energy bill to be signed by the president today is arguably the worst piece of energy legislation ever enacted into law.””

I’m not sure that I agree with this sentence. The way I would say it is “If the USA were a locomotive headed for a cliff, this bill is like a crepe paper barrier across the tracks...it will do nothing to slow down the locomotive”.

Although mileage standards for new autos will increase by 40%, the ‘total vehicle miles travelled’ over that period will more than double, so when the new CAFE regs are fully implemented we will be consuming more oil. In reality the bill is bad not because of what is in it, but because of what is not in it...access to more oil. That folks is what is going to hurt America more than anyone can imagine.


37 posted on 12/19/2007 12:18:11 PM PST by NRG1973
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To: tryon1ja

Government planners can never ever do things as well as a capitalist free market economy.

Plus this is just wrong. Government has no right to tell us what kind of lightbulb we can put in our homes. Where in the constitution is this? Are they going to send in the federal police to check to see if we have the right kind of lightbulbs. Plus it’s getting colder not warmer as the global warming hoax says it’s supposed to be getting warmer ( most of the country is freezing if you haven’t noticed).

Plus these governemnt idiots messed up again. It’s because of this liberal media socialist hoax, Global warming that they are mandating us to change our lightbulbs. and These new lightbulbs have mercury in them so if one breaks good luck in cleaning that up and not poisoning your family (government planning at work).

Plus many workmen use those big f-350 trucks . Are they now supposed to drive these little tiny cars to haul the thing they need to keep our economy going? What’s going to happen to these full sized trucks? Socialism has never worked.

We need smaller government, less taxes, less government. less laws. Capitalism works. government doesn’t .

They have so many laws now that anything we do or don’t do is bound to break some laws so that we are all criminals now and the government can crack down on all of us as is the intent. this is about increasing government power. this is not what America was created to be or is intended to be. The constitution and founding fathers created a very limited government. These politician morons have completely violated the constitution and are crazed with power. America should be about freedom. And guess what freedom works in the economy too . government regulations, laws and planning don’t work and just cripple private industry.


38 posted on 12/19/2007 12:34:50 PM PST by Democrat_media (Democrats are communists/Socialists.Socialism is an economic disaster.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Not surprised, so much as driven each time to a new depth of disappointment in the man.


39 posted on 12/19/2007 12:35:50 PM PST by BrewingFrog (I brew, therefore I am!)
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To: BrewingFrog
I’m a “gun nut”. I wasn’t happy about voting for him to being with. Why should I vote for someone who wants to make me a criminal for exercising my Rights?
40 posted on 12/19/2007 12:38:17 PM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: businessprofessor

“The market will determine winners and losers by the collection of individual choices of consumers and producers.”

Many people don’t know that or even understand it.

The economy is an extremely complex machine , much too complex ,for any central government idiot planner to know how to run.

But idiot voters keep having faith that these evil,corrupt, incompetent, scheming, moronic, ignorant, unaccountable, politicians and a few burocrats will have their best interests in mind and actually be able to run the economy.

It is the sum of these millions of choices made continuously by these millions of consumers that determine winners and losers in the economy. Usually it is just a few central planners or politiicans running the economy or program. No one of these central planners or a few them can have all the knowledge that the millions of consumers and businessmen have. And even if they could have all this knowledge the burocrats are not accountable to consumers ( it is not their money so they don’t care).Also there is no competition in government planning. So these are just 3 reasons, no competition, no accountability, and not enough knowledge about the economy, why government planning is a disaster and should be minimized.

You blame Republicans and Bush does deserve blame but Congress is controlled by Democrats so democrats get the blame for this too and they are socialists.


41 posted on 12/19/2007 12:55:25 PM PST by Democrat_media (Democrats are communists/Socialists.Socialism is an economic disaster.)
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42 posted on 12/19/2007 1:03:47 PM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: tryon1ja

The free market should dictate energy use and policy, NOT the Government! The only thing this sorry piece of crap legislation brings us is mors control over our lives! If you want to save energy, use common sense, not the heavy hand of Government! My truck has an ignition switch, and everything in my house can be unplugged or turned off. I don’t need the “helping hand” of Government to save energy in my personal life!!


43 posted on 12/19/2007 1:25:25 PM PST by wjcsux (Islam: The religion of choice for those who are too stupid for Scientology)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I have several light fixtures in my house that will not accept CF bulbs. Some beautiful antiques that are absolutely irreplaceable. It will cost me hundreds of dollars to replace them all. Thanks George.

I've used CF bulbs, and still use them in some places where it makes sense. But when used in high on-off frequency circuits, they will burn out in about quarter of the time as an incandescent, and cost another fortune to replace them. I will therefore just leave the lights on, it will save me money in the long run, despite using more energy overall.

One thing people don't think of is that in the winter time it will save no energy at all. Every BTU that your light bulbs put out, is a BTU that your heater doesn't have to. So with CF's, you heater will have to make up for it. An incandescents put out a lot of BTU's.

I'd better start stocking up.

44 posted on 12/19/2007 2:22:58 PM PST by Jotmo (I Had a Bad Experience With the CIA and Now I'm Gonna Show You My Feminine Side - Swirling Eddies)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I have been listening to comments today.

A new SHAME for our legislators.


45 posted on 12/19/2007 2:46:13 PM PST by 3D-JOY
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To: tryon1ja
this article and all your comments concerning the Pres. and this program are a bunch of B.S.

I see you enjoy being told what to do....

46 posted on 12/19/2007 3:30:35 PM PST by SteamShovel (Global Warming, the New Patriotism)
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To: B Knotts

Depends on how you define words. Bill Clinton showed us a good example of word difinition.


47 posted on 12/19/2007 3:59:25 PM PST by tryon1ja
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To: Little_GTO
May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Nothing isdone in darkness that does not come to light.

Know the truth and the truth will set you free.

48 posted on 12/19/2007 4:01:45 PM PST by tryon1ja
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To: mbs6

Sometimes change for the better has to be a forced change. Your so called CATO experts are no more than common everday people with a personal view that they put forth as an educated expert view. It is still only a view of one or a few persons and no more a correct view than yours or mine.


49 posted on 12/19/2007 4:05:14 PM PST by tryon1ja
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To: RinaseaofDs
I hear your bitching. The bitching is what caused me to post in the first place.

Wheat futures have hit $10.00 a bushel. Corn is over $4.00 a bushel. Finally the farmers are getting a fair market value for their product. Free enterprise is finally working for them too.

50 posted on 12/19/2007 4:09:40 PM PST by tryon1ja
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