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CA: Student arrested for making wooden knife in shop class (8th grader and 2 incher)
San Diego Union - Tribune ^ | 12/19/07 | Debbi Baker

Posted on 12/19/2007 3:02:26 PM PST by NormsRevenge

CHULA VISTA – A middle school student was arrested Tuesday after a teacher saw him fashioning a small knife out of wood during a shop class.

The boy, who is in eighth grade at Castle Park Middle School, was taken into custody about 11:15 a.m. and then released to his parents, said Chula Vista police spokesman Bernard Gonzalez.

The boy has been suspended for four days, said Sweetwater Union High School District spokeswoman Lillian Leopold. When he returns to school after the holiday break he will also undergo counseling, Leopold said.

District policy says that a student will be expelled if they are found in possession of a knife with a blade 3½ inches or longer, Leopold said.

The knife the boy made was 2 inches long, she said.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: California
KEYWORDS: arrested; california; homeschoolingisgood; publikskoolz; student; woodenknife; zerotolerance
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1 posted on 12/19/2007 3:02:31 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
maybe he was mimicking Dillinger trying to escape.
2 posted on 12/19/2007 3:04:01 PM PST by boomop1
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To: NormsRevenge

90% of the tools in the shop were more dangerous weapons.


3 posted on 12/19/2007 3:04:50 PM PST by SF Republican
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To: NormsRevenge

Heck, I made a cannon when I was in high-school. Forty pounds of brass after I cut all the sprues off.


4 posted on 12/19/2007 3:05:13 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: NormsRevenge
When he returns to school after the holiday break he will also undergo counseling, Leopold said.

Counseling for his abuse by school officials and the police?

5 posted on 12/19/2007 3:05:43 PM PST by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: NormsRevenge
Was he making it with a sharp eight inch long chisel?
6 posted on 12/19/2007 3:05:43 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Government is the hired help - not the boss. When politicians forget that they must be fired.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Cops and school teachers out of their collective minds. What else is new?


7 posted on 12/19/2007 3:05:45 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: NormsRevenge
Pencils are longer than 3 1/2 inches...so are pens. Better expel the entire student body.

Abject morons and nincompoops are in control of most schools.

8 posted on 12/19/2007 3:06:29 PM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: NormsRevenge

The administrator morons never saw a wooden letter opener, I guess!


9 posted on 12/19/2007 3:07:23 PM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW!)
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To: boomop1

could be. lol. breaking out of detention.. I’d be curious what his background is. gangs in the school, was he just “goofing off”, killing time?


10 posted on 12/19/2007 3:07:46 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge
My grandkids and I have wood shields and swords.

The kids ought to call the cops on the teachers though. I bet they all have 12 inch wood blades in their desks. They are called rulers.

11 posted on 12/19/2007 3:07:48 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: NormsRevenge

We have met the enemy....and he is us!


12 posted on 12/19/2007 3:08:20 PM PST by Diego1618
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To: NormsRevenge
The boy was taken into custody about 11:15 a.m.

Taken into custody?

Strip search? Mug shots? Drug test? Finger prints? DNA sample?

13 posted on 12/19/2007 3:09:02 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: NormsRevenge
Taken into custody for what? Is there a law in Chula Vista that forbids making artwork in woodshop? Note to family: Sue the police, ASAP. Going after districts usually isn’t anywhere near as profitable. Besides, get this in front of a jury, and they’ll go wacko. ‘My son made this’ says the mother, holding it up, then with the court’s permission, walks to the jury box as it was impossible to see at that distance. ‘And was arrested for it.’
14 posted on 12/19/2007 3:09:29 PM PST by kingu (No, I don't use sarcasm tags - it confuses people.)
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To: DuncanWaring

I think more “stars” were made in Metal Shop than any thing else.


15 posted on 12/19/2007 3:09:59 PM PST by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: NormsRevenge

I made a longbow in shop class, it would drive an arrow through a haybale.


16 posted on 12/19/2007 3:10:07 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: NormsRevenge

This reminds me of an episode of King of the Hill when Hank volunteered to be a shop teacher.


17 posted on 12/19/2007 3:10:52 PM PST by Tai_Chung
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To: kingu

It’s a good thing he wasn’t making a zip gun or such..

I would consult with counsel, ya never know.

It worked for Tigger socks gal.

and Remember, every day is a suing day in California.. teach ‘em young.


18 posted on 12/19/2007 3:11:57 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge

That’s nothing; my kid can make a glock out of a graham cracker.


19 posted on 12/19/2007 3:12:03 PM PST by LongElegantLegs (Kill them with kindness, then taser them for fun.)
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To: Mark was here

Oh yeah, too funny. That was a while ago...


20 posted on 12/19/2007 3:12:31 PM PST by Lx ((Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.))
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To: Tai_Chung

Thank goodness for California, making my local Florida officials idiocy for arresting the kid who brought a steak knife to school seem ALMOST sane.


21 posted on 12/19/2007 3:14:49 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Huckabee asks if Mormons believe Jesus, devil are brothers)
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To: NormsRevenge

You’ll poke your eye out, Kid.


22 posted on 12/19/2007 3:14:53 PM PST by nuconvert ("Terrorism is not the enemy. It is a means to the ends of militant Islamism." MZJ)
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To: NormsRevenge
A pair of scissors is TWO 5 INCH BLADES!!!!! better expel them all
23 posted on 12/19/2007 3:16:48 PM PST by LukeL
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To: dragnet2
The boy was taken into custody about 11:15 a.m.

Does this mean he failed in grade with his project?

Well, if nothing else he will get an A in life's learning.

I hope he goes on to to become a true conservative with a zest to fight this insane yet trivial infliction on society that the moonbat's have bestowed upon us.

24 posted on 12/19/2007 3:22:16 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: LongElegantLegs
...my kid can make a glock out of a graham cracker.

For the sake of humanity, feed him saltines!!! LOL!

25 posted on 12/19/2007 3:24:02 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: NormsRevenge

School 1957 vs. 2007

Scenario: Jack goes quail hunting before school, pulls into school parking lot with shotgun in gun rack.
1957 - Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack’s shotgun, goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack.
2007 - School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.

Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fistfight after school.
1957 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies.
2007 - Police called, SWAT team a arrives, arrests Johnny and Mark. Charge them with assault, both expelled even though Johnny started it.

Scenario: Jeffrey won’t be still in class, disrupts other students.
1957 - Jeffrey sent to office and given a good paddling by the Principal. Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.
2007 - Jeffrey given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie. Tested for ADD. School gets extra money from state because Jeffrey has a disability.

Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his neighbor’s car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.
1957 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman.
2007 - Billy’s dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy removed to foster care and joins a gang. State psychologist tells Billy’s sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison. Billy’s mom has affair with psychologist.

Scenario: Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school.
1957 - Mark shares aspirin with Principal out on the smoking dock.
2007 - Police called, Mark expelled from school for drug violations. Car searched for drugs and weapons.

Scenario: Pedro fails high school English.
1957 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English, and goes to college.
2007 - Pedro’s cause is taken up by the state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against state school system and Pedro’s English teacher. English banned from core curriculum. Pedro given diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.

Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from 4th of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle, and blows up a red ant bed.
1957 - Ants die.
2007 - BATF, Homeland Security and FBI called. Johnny charged with domestic terrorism, FBI investigates parents, siblings removed from home, computers confiscated. Johnny’s Dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.

Scenario: Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary hugs him to comfort him.
1957 - In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.
2007 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in State Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy.


26 posted on 12/19/2007 3:24:19 PM PST by Lexington Green (There ain't no news in the news no more.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
I made a longbow in shop class, it would drive an arrow through a haybale.

I built a four stacker (gasp) gun rack and got an A without being expelled, arrested, and convicted for something...anything...

27 posted on 12/19/2007 3:29:04 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: nuconvert
You’ll poke your eye out, Kid.

He'll learn from his mistakes and use his spare eye and become a fighter pilot someday.

28 posted on 12/19/2007 3:31:28 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Lexington Green

If you showed someone that in 1957, or even in 1965, no one would have believed it.


29 posted on 12/19/2007 3:32:36 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: Luke Skyfreeper
"When he returns to school after the holiday break he will also undergo counseling re-education, Leopold said."
30 posted on 12/19/2007 3:33:26 PM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (Global warming is the new Marxism.)
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To: Mark was here
7th grade Metal Shop; everyone was required to make a chisel. After you passed that, you could make anything you wanted. Most made hunting knives out of metal files.
31 posted on 12/19/2007 3:33:38 PM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: NormsRevenge

Of course if he bought a real one with a steel blade at a sporting goods store, no one would mind. Idiots.


32 posted on 12/19/2007 3:34:10 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired of all the politics in politics.)
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To: NormsRevenge

First of all, it wasn’t a knife. It was wood in the shape of a knife.
Next thing is to suspend anyone who carves wood or soap in the shape of a knife and accuse them of posessing a knife.
Only completely stupid idiots can’t tell the difference between a thing and a representation of the thing.


33 posted on 12/19/2007 3:40:10 PM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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arrested for making wooden knife in shop class...

He'd be on the honor's roll if instead he carved a wooden condom, or made anything related to globull warming.

34 posted on 12/19/2007 3:42:10 PM PST by C210N
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To: Deaf Smith
7th grade Metal Shop; everyone was required to make a chisel. After you passed that, you could make anything you wanted. Most made hunting knives out of metal files.<>P>

I still have my chisel! I also made an an ashtray that was cast out of aluminum, made a wooden pattern of a hollowed out star. Today a kid may get kicked out of school for possession of an ashtray.

35 posted on 12/19/2007 3:47:45 PM PST by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: NormsRevenge

Can’t we pass a zero tolerance law for STUPIDITY? These teachers need to be charged.


36 posted on 12/19/2007 4:02:45 PM PST by Islander7 ("Show me an honest politician and I will show you a case of mistaken identity.")
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To: boomop1

When I was in shop class (metal shop, not wood shop), we all made letter openers. Mine had a 7” blade, a blood groove and a leather bound handle. It looked alot like a KBar. After it was tempered, it could do a job on a letter.


37 posted on 12/19/2007 4:08:59 PM PST by centurion316 (Democrats - Supporting Al Qaida Worldwide)
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Only completely stupid idiots can’t tell the difference between a thing and a representation of the thing.

Would you be saying the same thing, if he had then taken the 'knife' to Art class, and crafted a wax 'representation' of his math teacher, then killed him by sticking the 'knife' into the voodoo doll of the 'teacher'?

Schools must consider all scenarios, for every one's safety. It's for the children!

/sarc.

38 posted on 12/19/2007 4:11:10 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: dragnet2

Up untill the early 80’s in Wis. maybe a bit later


39 posted on 12/19/2007 4:11:45 PM PST by riverrunner
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Bet you got an A.


41 posted on 12/19/2007 4:16:49 PM PST by boomop1
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
Don't dare bring this to school:

42 posted on 12/19/2007 4:19:56 PM PST by rightwingcrazy
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To: NormsRevenge

Dang...
I though it was a designer popsicle stick.


43 posted on 12/19/2007 4:22:54 PM PST by BuffaloJack (Before the government can give you a dollar it must first take it from another American)
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To: NormsRevenge

What did he wittle it with, A Q-tip?


44 posted on 12/19/2007 4:22:56 PM PST by CrappieLuck
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To: NormsRevenge
Most shop teachers I know or knew would have handled it by saying, “Throw it away”.
45 posted on 12/19/2007 4:25:50 PM PST by WesternPacific
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To: Diego1618

Did you notice the comments at the end of the article? There are a lot of people in that area that think it’s just fine that the kid was tossed out of school! Pretty sad, I have a real fear about the direction we are heading.


46 posted on 12/19/2007 4:38:46 PM PST by ABN 505
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Did you notice the comments at the end of the article? There are a lot of people in that area that think it’s just fine that the kid was tossed out of school! Pretty sad, I have a real fear about the direction we are heading.

I'll take your word for it -- too many newspaper and TV sites are so larded up with graphics and off-site links that they take forever to load.

But if you want to see where we're headed, just look at the UK.

47 posted on 12/19/2007 4:47:38 PM PST by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: ABN 505
I have a real fear about the direction we are heading.

The problem is.....we have been heading there too long. There is now no turning back. We have become a "Nanny Society"!

This trend began during the sixties and it will overwhelm us before long. I know people who claim to be conservatives....but they still look to the Federal Government for most answers to their problems. They have forgotten the tenth amendment and when reminded of it.....look at you like a deer in the headlights....and then still claim to be conservative!

48 posted on 12/19/2007 4:48:14 PM PST by Diego1618
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To: NormsRevenge

I’m surprised CA public school system hadn’t taught him how to “Keester a shank” by the 8th grade.


49 posted on 12/19/2007 4:53:35 PM PST by CrappieLuck
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To: Diego1618

Nanny society is the perfect description!We are constantly being scolded by our Nanny Governor through P.S.A.’S to “wear our seat belts”,”don’t talk on the cell phone while you drive”, Don’t smoke”, Gamble Responsibly [even though the state is the biggest proponent of gambling],”drink responsibly”,etc. etc.I already have a mother I don’t need two!


50 posted on 12/19/2007 4:58:59 PM PST by ABN 505
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