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Mark Steyn Case Wakes Up Canadian Press to Human Rights Tribunals' Threat to Free Speech
LifeSiteNews ^ | December 19, 2007 | Hilary White

Posted on 12/19/2007 6:11:07 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182

Mark Steyn Case Wakes Up Canadian Press to Human Rights Tribunals' Threat to Free Speech

Calgary Herald writer says the Commissions must be shut down.

TORONTO, December 19, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Opposition is growing in the press to the power and boldness of the Canadian Human Rights Commissions (HRC) to suppress freedom of expression and to police what Canadians may say in public. While Christians and social conservatives in Canada have been under attack through the HRC's for years, it was not until the case against popular columnist Mark Steyn and Maclean's magazine that the Canadian mainstream media has picked up the scent of a threat to their own freedoms.

In today's Calgary Herald, Rebecca Walberg writes that the Commissions must be "shut down." Earlier this week the National Post protested that the Steyn case is one of "censorship in the name of 'human rights'". The Chilliwack Times ran an editorial calling the Commissions and their tribunals "a powerful ally" in the efforts of some to "further restrict our right to free speech."

The case that has garnered the attention of Canada's mainstream media is that brought by the Canadian Islamic Congress (CIC) against popular conservative columnist Mark Steyn and Maclean's, Canada's foremost news magazine. Maclean's published an excerpt, headlined "The Future Belongs to Islam," from Steyn's bestselling book "America Alone" in which he predicts a coming clash between an increasingly aggressive Islamic minority in Europe and the shrinking remnants of European post-Christian social values.

The CIC complained to the Human Rights Commission of "exposing Canadian Muslims to hatred and Islamophobia". A representative of the group claims the complaint is intended to "protect Canadian multiculturalism and tolerance"..........[snip]

[snip]Others have pointed out that the Human Rights Commissions are so weighted in favour of the complainant that it is wide open to abuse as a means of making money. Richard Warman, a far left human rights lawyer based in Ottawa, is a former employee and investigator for the Canadian Human Rights Commission. Warman has filed an unusually large number of complaints with the HRC against groups on the right and admitted that he files complaints in his spare time.

In 2006, in a keynote speech to the violent Anti-Racist Action group in Toronto, Warman described his high volume, tax-funded activism the "maximum disruption" approach to leftist agitation. "I've come to the conclusion that I can be most effective by using what I like to describe as a 'maximum disruption' approach...If I think that they've violated the Canadian Human Rights Act, then I'll look at all of the potential targets and file complaints against them starting on a 'worst offender' basis".

He added, "Sometimes if I just find people to be particularly annoying this may move them up the list a bit." Publicly available documents show that Warman has been awarded at least Cn. $48,500 in "special compensation" via Human Rights Tribunal complaints since 2003.............."


TOPICS: Canada; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: freespeech; homosexualagenda; steyn
The Canadian Press is beginning to take a look at the HRCs and those that take advantage of them.
1 posted on 12/19/2007 6:11:09 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182; backhoe; conniew; fanfan; Rb ver. 2.0; ari-freedom; davidosborne; ovrtaxt; E.G.C.; ..

ping


2 posted on 12/19/2007 6:11:51 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
May Warman be found face-down in a steaming pile of moose dung. Then buried in it.


3 posted on 12/19/2007 6:15:22 PM PST by Viking2002 (Waterboarding the Left every chance I get.)
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To: Viking2002

Poor Moose Dung!


4 posted on 12/19/2007 6:22:08 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
it was not until the case against popular columnist Mark Steyn and Maclean's magazine that the Canadian mainstream media has picked up the scent of a threat to their own freedoms.

I thought taking on the witty, intelligent and remarkable Mark Steyn might just be a bridge to far for the multi-culti, we actually hate free speech bunch.

5 posted on 12/19/2007 6:23:01 PM PST by Bahbah
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To: Bahbah
it was not until the case against popular columnist Mark Steyn and Maclean's magazine that the Canadian mainstream media has picked up the scent of a threat to their own freedoms.

Just like it was not until the murder of Daniel Pearl did the media take notice that these radicals might be the bad guys.

6 posted on 12/19/2007 6:25:21 PM PST by TexasNative2000 (Is this tagline governed by McCain-Feingold?)
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To: TexasNative2000
Just like it was not until the murder of Daniel Pearl did the media take notice that these radicals might be the bad guys.

Ach, they still don't believe that. We are still the bad guys. Just ask algore and jon carry.

7 posted on 12/19/2007 6:27:50 PM PST by Bahbah
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To: Anti-Bubba182

This is what I expected. Marc Steyn is widely respected and is NOT known for pulling out the stops. Regretably, Canadians don’t seem to mind if a few preachers or Catholic bishops are ordered not to preach the Bible, but I think this case will backfire on the Tribunals.

The very name “Tribunal” makes me think of Napoleon or the French Terror. Definitely time to shut them down. How about it, you conservatives who are currently running the country?


8 posted on 12/19/2007 6:43:00 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Bahbah

Guantanamo and Abu Graib prove how bad Americans are, according to the MSM. Terrorists aren’t bad.


9 posted on 12/19/2007 7:00:46 PM PST by o_zarkman44 (No Bull in 08!)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

bump


10 posted on 12/19/2007 7:04:33 PM PST by VOA
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Others have pointed out that the Human Rights Commissions are
so weighted in favour of the complainant that it is wide open
to abuse as a means of making money.


Getting paid to muzzle sane conservatives.

If that ain't a lefties erotic dream-come-true, I don't know what is.
11 posted on 12/19/2007 7:06:46 PM PST by VOA
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To: Anti-Bubba182
I’ll bet our FRiends at Free Dominion are happy to see this issue getting some real scrutiny.

The HRC has been trying to shut down FD for quite a while now.

12 posted on 12/19/2007 7:12:49 PM PST by 2111USMC
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To: 2111USMC
Yes they have and Warman is suing them.

A lawsuit has been served against our Canadian "sister" site, Free Dominion.

13 posted on 12/19/2007 7:20:06 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

The case against Mark Stein has the almost amusing side-effect of proving him to have been correct in what he wrote, that started the whole mess in the first place.

He’s hauled up in front of the Human Rights Tribunal basically for writing something to the effect that Islam is obviously incompatible with modern western civilization.

And now, because Muslims are unable to deal with criticism and are hypersensitive... And dangerously so... His freedom of speech to criticize Islam must be curtailed.

Freedom, a hallmark of western civilization, is incompatible with Islam.

Q.E.D.

In other proceedings like slander or libel, truth is an affirmative defense. Curiously enough in these Canadian Human Rights Tribunal cases the truth is specifically NOT a defense. It doesn’t matter that what you say is verifiably true. It only matters that someone takes offense to it.

Its staggering. Even Stalin wasn’t so clever.


14 posted on 12/19/2007 7:29:19 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Anti-Bubba182; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
While Christians and social conservatives in Canada have been under attack through the HRC's for years, it was not until the case against popular columnist Mark Steyn and Maclean's magazine that the Canadian mainstream media has picked up the scent of a threat to their own freedoms.
Thanks AB182.
15 posted on 12/19/2007 7:35:04 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Tuesday, December 18, 2007___________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

You are welcome!


16 posted on 12/19/2007 7:37:28 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
the Steyn case is one of "censorship in the name of 'human rights'"

What human rights? There is no human right not to be offended. The only justifiable restriction to free speech would be a direct incitement to violence.

17 posted on 12/19/2007 7:41:50 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: Anti-Bubba182
This wasn't surprising at all:
the Canadian Islamic Congress... complained to the Human Rights Commission of "exposing Canadian Muslims to hatred and Islamophobia". A representative of the group claims the complaint is intended to "protect Canadian multiculturalism and tolerance"... the Human Rights Commission... is wide open to abuse as a means of making money. Richard Warman, a far left human rights lawyer based in Ottawa, is a former employee and investigator for the Canadian Human Rights Commission. Warman has filed an unusually large number of complaints with the HRC against groups on the right and admitted that he files complaints in his spare time... "I've come to the conclusion that I can be most effective by using what I like to describe as a 'maximum disruption' approach...If I think that they've violated the Canadian Human Rights Act, then I'll look at all of the potential targets and file complaints against them starting on a 'worst offender' basis". He added, "Sometimes if I just find people to be particularly annoying this may move them up the list a bit." Publicly available documents show that Warman has been awarded at least Cn. $48,500 in "special compensation" via Human Rights Tribunal complaints since 2003..."

18 posted on 12/19/2007 7:43:29 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Tuesday, December 18, 2007___________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Warman needs a lot of light shown on him.


19 posted on 12/19/2007 7:57:46 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
"The legislation...gives them permission to disregard the usual rules of legal procedures meant to protect defendants' rights such as rules of evidence, presumption of innocence, bias of witnesses or representation. Its officers and adjudicators do not have to have legal training but are political appointees, commonly representatives of special interest groups."
Disregarding rules of evidence???

Disregarding presumption of innocence????

Disregarding bias of witnesses?????

Do you mean to tell me that this ignominious bilge has been the law in Canada since the 1970s! And Canadians are just now becoming alarmed about it?????

20 posted on 12/19/2007 8:12:04 PM PST by Savage Beast ("History is not just cruel. It is witty." ~Charles Krauthammer)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
"The defendant in all HRC proceedings must cover his own legal expenses but the state does not charge the complainant."

And Canadians consider this justice?????

"This system, many have said, leaves the HRC's wide open to abuse..."

No kidding?????

21 posted on 12/19/2007 8:15:10 PM PST by Savage Beast ("History is not just cruel. It is witty." ~Charles Krauthammer)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

...and the West sinks deeper and deeper into the Decadence that is the Left.


22 posted on 12/19/2007 8:19:07 PM PST by Savage Beast ("History is not just cruel. It is witty." ~Charles Krauthammer)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

He needs his head candled, if that’s what you mean. ;’)


23 posted on 12/19/2007 8:19:21 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Tuesday, December 18, 2007___________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Savage Beast
Speech by Mary Gusella, Chief Commissioner, on the opening of - A Serious Threat, a conference on hate on the Internet, hosted by the Commission on December 15-16, 2005.

The above contains some background.

The Commissions became a bigger deal with the expansion of the internet. No one much cared when it was just KKK types being prosecuted. That was a mistake. These Commisions would never stop there as is evident now.

Canadian Libel law itself is also in need of reform.

"It's time to reform Canadian libel law"

"..Under the current legal regime, you can be sued for anything you say about another person that damages their reputation. If sued, the onus is on you to prove the truth of your statements; the fact that you genuinely believed them to be true is not good enough. Even truth is not an absolute defence --- if the court finds you told the truth but your intent was malicious, you might lose anyway. Canadian libel law is so draconian that people come from all over the world to file libel suits in Ontario..."

It is that bad.

24 posted on 12/19/2007 8:26:41 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
If we succumb to the Decadence--our children will curse us.

It is more deadly than the Black Plague, all the wars combined, and the horrors of the Inquisition!

The Decadence is the Left. It is the greatest threat to Canada, the U.S., all of the Western nations--and to the world. If it is not checked, it will destroy Western Civilization.

25 posted on 12/19/2007 8:33:22 PM PST by Savage Beast ("History is not just cruel. It is witty." ~Charles Krauthammer)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

BTTT


26 posted on 12/20/2007 2:55:05 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: Anti-Bubba182; GMMAC; Clive; exg; kanawa; conniew; backhoe; -YYZ-; Former Proud Canadian; ...

27 posted on 12/20/2007 4:34:26 AM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: fanfan

The article refers to “commissions” (plural) Just how many are there?


28 posted on 12/20/2007 5:25:18 AM PST by ken5050
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To: Cicero

Unfortunately the federal Conservatives don’t have the authority to shut them down- they’re run by the provinces.


29 posted on 12/20/2007 5:42:03 AM PST by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: ken5050
One in each province and a federal one.

Steyn is being subjected to simultaneous multiple proceedings of the same complaint.

As they are quasi civil tribunals the doctrines of autrefois acquit and autrefois convict do not apply and the burden is "preponderance" rather than "beyond reasonable doubt". The rulings are looked upon as being akin to injunctions rather than punishment and compensation rather than fines.

Small businessmen have been advised by their lawyers that it is cheaper to cave in, recant, grovel and pay than to pay the legal bills associated with defending even frivolous complaints.

Even where a frivolous complaint gets dismissed at an early stage, the respondent has borne costs to retain a lawyer and those consts, unlike other civil proceedings in Canada, are not recoverable against the complainant or the tribunal.

30 posted on 12/20/2007 5:46:13 AM PST by Clive
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To: ken5050

There are 14 of them- one federal and one for each province and territory. The federal HRC got leashed by a Supreme Court ruling that their procedures were unconstitutional; historically most of the mischief was made by the provincial HRCs because the provinces have jurisdiction in matters of employment, housing and health care which is where most complaints arise.


31 posted on 12/20/2007 5:47:24 AM PST by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: Squawk 8888
The federal HRC got leashed by a Supreme Court ruling that their procedures were unconstitutional

Can you provide more details on this and a source if possible?

32 posted on 12/20/2007 8:29:39 AM PST by free_life
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To: Squawk 8888

Thanks. I’m learning from the comments on this thread.


33 posted on 12/20/2007 8:59:09 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: free_life

The ruling came down back in the mid-1990s IIRC. Essentially, it said that having a tribunal operated by the same body that investigates complaints compromised the right to due process.


34 posted on 12/20/2007 9:54:21 AM PST by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
They should be abolished. Politically correct watchdogs have no place in a free society.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

35 posted on 12/20/2007 9:56:47 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Clive
Small businessmen have been advised by their lawyers that it is cheaper to cave in, recant, grovel and pay than to pay the legal bills associated with defending even frivolous complaints.

Back in 1995, lawyers were advising clients not to fight a complaint if it could be settled for $5,000 or less.

I wonder if there's any case law about suing HRCs and/or complainants for malicious prosecution. If there isn't perhaps we should make some.

36 posted on 12/20/2007 9:57:15 AM PST by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: Cicero
DO you know about Stephen Boisson? He dared to write a letter to the editor complaining about the Alberta Human Rights Tribunal and it being used by homosexuals to advance their agenda. In Alberta of all places, easily the most conservative province in Canada, the Tribunal took issue with Stephen’s criticism of homosexuals (although I guess it was more about revenge for his criticism of them) and he lost his case and was fined. Then jailed for not paying that fine! Welcome to Kanuckistan.
37 posted on 12/20/2007 12:42:21 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Clive
The BC tribunal didn’t even blink. They will taken any complaint without scrutiny - unless of course is a white male evangelical.
38 posted on 12/20/2007 12:44:52 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Sam Gamgee

As I said, they have no problem muzzling pastors, and even forbidding them from quoting certain biblical texts. But they may have a harder time going after Steyn.

These bullies get powerdrunk, the more they get their way. but hopefully they’ll go too far and get sent packing.


39 posted on 12/20/2007 12:52:27 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Sam Gamgee
the Tribunal took issue with Stephen’s criticism of homosexuals (although I guess it was more about revenge for his criticism of them) and he lost his case and was fined. Then jailed for not paying that fine!.

Really . How much jail time has he done?

40 posted on 12/20/2007 2:04:16 PM PST by Snowyman
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To: Ramius
Ramius, you are target dead center with your post.

Islam IS incompatable with democratic society and freedom of thought.

But one further point:

The remedy of Islam to such incompatability is Fascism: Religio-fascism similar to the historical Rumanian variety.

Any scat who applies a Churchillian analysis of modern Islam, can conclude this fact. Its fascism.

The only reason the world does not know this yet, is because of the liberal Utopians who control most of the media, education and the political infrastructure of so much of the West.

Its like 1930 all over again. Only this time, democracies may wake up too late, after the Muslim Fascists acquire nuclear weaponry.

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This is a thought that should be scaring every man, woman, child and dog in the West, and guys like Steyn are spreading the word.

And the Muzzies cannot stand the light of truth.So they invoke their liberal dhimmis. This case will be landmark, and you can bet it will go before the Supreme Court of Canada.

And the Muzzies will have lost even if the case goes against Steyn and MacLeans,because the Steyn truth will get so much publicity, that everyone will read his writing and think carefully about the truth Steyn reveals, exactly what the muzzies feared the most. The only way the muzzies can win the publicity war now is to withdraw all of their complaints.

The muzzies may have been far too clever.

41 posted on 12/20/2007 4:54:58 PM PST by Candor7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(1258))
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To: Snowyman

I take that back. I googled and found Stephen as just found guilty a week ago. So it was someone else - sorry, I wish I could remember who that was. I know Paul Fromm, a well knonw neo-Nazi has oodles of fines against him and lost a lawsuit to Richard Warman, but he hasn’t seen jail yet.


42 posted on 12/20/2007 11:11:27 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Anti-Bubba182; milford421; Calpernia

Bump and ping.


43 posted on 12/21/2007 6:28:17 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny (I vote to outlaw hidden links in articles. If the URL is worthy of clicking, then show it.)
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