Due to the magic of computers, we can how see Mike Huckabee as he looks late in his first term as President:
Posted on 12/20/2007 5:37:55 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
WHEN Mike Huckabee went to Houston Tuesday to raise funds for his fast-rising, money-starved candidacy, a luncheon for the ordained Baptist minister was arranged by evangelical Christians. On hand was Judge Paul Pressler, a hero to Southern Baptist Convention reformers. But he was a non-paying guest who supports Fred Thompson for president.
Huckabee greeted Pressler warmly. That contrasted with Huckabee's anger two months ago when they saw each other in California. The Arkansas ex-governor took issue then with comments by Pressler that Huckabee had been a slacker in the war against secularists in the Baptist church.
Warmth in Texas and hostility in California reflects the dual personality of the pastor-politician: Huckabee can come over as either a Reagan or a Nixon. More than personality explains why not all his Baptist brethren have signed on the dotted line for Huckabee. He didn't join the "Conservative Resurgence" that successfully rebelled against liberals in the Southern Baptist Convention a generation ago.
Criticism from co-religionists stands apart from criticism of Huckabee's big-government, high-tax 10 years as governor. Because no GOP candidate since Pat Robertson in 1988 depends so much on support from evangelicals, opposition by fellow Southern Baptists is significant.
Huckabee's base is reflected by sponsors of Tuesday's fund-raiser at the Houston home of Dr. Steve Hotze, a leader in the highly conservative Christian Reconstruction movement. State Rep. Debbie Riddle was the only elected official on the host committee; David Welch is executive director of the Houston Area Pastor Council and entrepreneur J. Keet Lewis is an active Southern Baptist.
Better known is Baptist minister Rick Scarborough, founder of Vision America. In endorsing Huckabee on Nov. 1, Scarborough said, "I acknowledge that Huckabee is not the perfect candidate" but one "who will listen to wise counsel."
(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...
This Baptist Ain’t!
Welcome to the camp
I guess you know why I’m here
My name is Huckster
And I’m being pushed this year
If you want to follow me
You have to play pinball
And put in the earplugs
Put on the eye shades
You know where to put the cork...
No way this Novak guy understands any of this.
Yah. It’s treating as news that a denomination of over 15 million is supporting more than one candidate. No “ut oh” more like “so what?”
BTW, I will never vote for the pro-open border wishy washy Huckster!
Raised Southern Baptist, and now a Methodist, I can safely say, it takes a Baptist to know a Baptist.
Fool me once...
I was raised a Southern Baptist too, converted to Episcopal & then jumped off that sinking ship - now I’m a non-denominational Christian.
You’re right - it definitely takes a Baptist to know a Baptist - no one in the media knows Baptists.
Due to the magic of computers, we can how see Mike Huckabee as he looks late in his first term as President:
Conservatives who take a close look Spit on Huck.
I’m a Baptist, and so is the rest of my family. My dad is either hard-headed, or a fanatic, because he has told me on numerous occasions he would not vote for a Mormon, but instead he is voting for Huck (in large part, if not wholly because Huck is/was an ordained minister). I’ve also told him on numerous occasions that Huck is just a Dem who is pro-life. Huck is soft on crime, pro-big government, and probably would be weak on national defense (given that he has absolutely no idea of what is going on in the world around us, and the threat of Islamic extremist). One thing my dad stumped me on was this: Huck is for the fair tax, thereby pretty much abolishing the IRS to some extent. If that’s the case, then how can he be pro-big government. My best guess is that the fair tax would bring in a comparable amount of money in relation to the existing tax structure. Given that people will pretty much be able to decided, to some extent, how much they pay in taxes, there would be a slight decline in tax revenue for the government. However, since we would be using a fair tax system, the IRS would be obsolete, but there would have to be an establishment, so some extent, to collect the money (although I’m sure this establishment would be far smaller as compared to the IRS), right? That being said, would the government be able to make up the difference for the deficit by abolishing the IRS, thereby giving the government as much money as they have today for big government? Can someone help me on this? I need to lure my dad away from the dark side.
Go Fred Go
Exactly! LOL!!
Exactly!
That’s funny. My mom just said to me the other day that she doesn’t think she could vote for the Huckster cause he reminded her too much of the president from 24!
looked quick,thought the headline said Rapists Split Over Huck...
Some Baptists don’t agree with Tax Hike Mike that money belongs to the guvmint (which graciously lets you keep some of it for yourself)? I’m shocked!
Huckster’s record shows that tax increases are his option of first resort and spending restraint is just not on the table. With that mindset, taxes (whether it’s the existing income tax, the FairTax, whatever) are bound to go up (especially if the Democrats increase their hold on Congress, which seems likely).
Ex’s are much slicker now but they still have the same core values...larceny in their hearts and “God when needed” on their lips. The worst ones become lawyers.
I guess great minds think alike. I think he and Charles Logan do have a similar look. I think it is the jaw that does it.
Tell your dad that the Fair Tax sounds good, but will take a Constitutional amendment to enact, and since the President has no authority whatsoever in amending the Constitution, the Fair Tax is nothing more than another feel good Huckabee soundbite.
BTW, I can sympathize. I have a family member who will vote for whomever the Dems put up, including Hillary, because “they’re for the little guy.” Never mind that the little guy in my family is quite successful and is proud to tell people he made more than the President last year (because he also has a bad case of BDS). Family. What can you do?
Good luck with your dad.
After you tell him the above, tell your Dad that all the money that he has put away for retirement that has been taxed already will be taxed again at 23% when he spends it under the Fair Tax.
Point out the danger to your Dad that we end up with a national sales tax AND an income tax.
As a Christian, I appreciate Mike’s faith, and his willingness to not back down from it, but he has a problem distinguishing between Christian charity and socialism, giving and theft. A Christian shouldn’t want to be Caesar telling us that he is due more and more of our earnings. A Christian in public office has twice the obligation to represent the Kingdom of Heaven to the people he serves, encouraging charity by example, not by using taxes as a tool for stealing from them. If Christians can’t do that, and restrain themselves from the temptation to plunder, they should get into a different line of work. Likewise, anyone in government serves God by upholding justice and providing for peace and security. Allowing illegals to come in to work, go to school, set up networks that provide for human smuggling, drug trafficking, auto theft and plundering our social services is a violation of the public trust. I don’t trust a man who can’t see past the softness of his head to the consequences of his actions. Millions of American citizens have been hurt because our public officials place greed over their duty to uphold our immigration laws. I hope the evangelical crowd wakes up to take a close look at Mike and his flaws. I sympathize with fellow Christians who can’t support a moral degenerate like Rudy or a liberal, pro choice, gun grabber like Mitt, but Mike is a poor alternative.
This’n neither!
The Fair Tax is just a sound bite ruse Huckabee likes to throw out.
I heard this guy preach at Bellvue Baptist in Memphis during the late Dr. Rogers illness. I am considering on trying to see if they have a copy of the sermon, as it has been years ago.
He so reminds me of Jimmah Carter, it’s amazing.
There is no way congress will pass a fair tax. It would take many many many years to get that done if ever. I am not sure it would work much as I like Neal. I see a black market to avoid that tax.
Thanks guys. I didn’t realize it would take a constitutional amendment to enact the fair tax, but it makes sense. Some time ago, when the Republican field looked quite weak, I was quietly pushing for Rudy just because he was the one I thought could beat Hillary (although I should strongly point out that I disagree with a good bit of his policies, but it’s better to have an R in the WH rather than a D, right?). Anyways, my dad kept saying how he would never vote for someone that is pro-choice. I pointed out to him that it really didn’t matter what the president thought about abortion, because he has limited power in overturning RvW. I even pointed out to him that Rudy had stated on numerous occasions that he would nominate pro-life judges, therefore debunking the whole argument. I’m off the Rudy bandwagon now that the field has started to come around, and I think I’m going to stay that way. Again, thanks for the help.
How can he appeal to Baptists when his past rhetoric on illegal immigration is straight out of the Liberation Theology handbook? He called those who wanted to enforce the laws and close the border racists, for pete’s sake! What is wrong with these people supporting him?
Not all Baptists are a stupid as jimmy carter.
“What is wrong with these people supporting him?”
My guess is his supporters notice that he is/was an ordained minister (not really sure if he still is or not; I’ve heard both), and stop their analysis right there. Huck could be our Hillary, in that they each get the majority of their support from uninformed pinheads.
Huck is full of it, first off. He simply latched onto the FairTax idea to find a way to gather votes. His record in Arkansas is one of never seeing a tax hike he didn't like. He may genuinely wish to implement it, but it won't be easy to do and I have reservations about the economic feasibility of it anyway. You can be pro-big government and pro-FairTax anyway, because it is revenue-neutral and doesn't require spending cuts to implement. And it won't "abolish the IRS" because some sort of agency will still be needed to gather, count, collect, and distrbute the FairTax revenue to the government. It might cease to exist as we know it but there still will be one.
“Huck is full of it, first off. He simply latched onto the FairTax idea to find a way to gather votes”
You may be onto something here. How does someone so inclined to spend (and most noteably infatuated with taking money from the public in the form of tax hikes) go from constatly raising taxes to the FairTax scheme? Point being: Huck has shifted from hurting the general public with taxes (at least in Arkansas) to now wanting to help the public with taxes. Didn’t Huck just say something a few days ago about being genuine and sticking to his convictions?
Huckabee being for the Fair Tax is a “safe” political position. It’s safe because the chances of the FT being enacted anytime in the near future are nil. Supporters of the FT couldn’t even get the late GOP congress to seriously consider it, so how is the Dem-dominated congress going to give it a chance?
The Huckster can poilitically posture about the Fair Tax all he wants, and nothing will change. the IRS will still be the IRS we know and hate, and the cottage industry that caters to idiots who can’t fill out their own tax returns will continue to flourish. Lots of people can’t seem to handle the four basic arithmetic functions and simple percentages, even with the help of a calculator.
Thompson’s plan for a flat tax option is much more doable, although it’s an uphill fight in its own right wit h the current congress.
Neither is this Baptist... As for me and my family, we are Huckfree, but will vote for the GOP who is elected to run against Hillary.
Instead I voted for Stephen Harper, who "occasionally attends" Christian & Missionary Alliance services.
Neither is this one.
I suspect that Huckabee is touting the Fair Tax purely as a campaign gimmick to burnish his ostensible conservative "cred". I doubt if in an interview with someone who is genuinely knowledgable about it that he could give a coherent explanation and analysis of it.
You aint a Baptist unless there is a split.
Who else is associated as Baptist? I have a great number of Baptist relatives and many more friends and the majority are Clintons supporters. NO I am not kidding!!!
Huckabee can't even get his own co-religionists behind him?
Uh-oh? What? Hillary can't even get all her own co-Methodists behind her?
Let's see these threads & media articles give equal time to all the faithful splits across the board...
Some other "so-called" Southern Baptists who received votes from church-going folks who didn't do their homework:
James Earl Carter
Albert Gore
Willard
Congress is not going to pass the Fair Tax or any other significant tax reform any time soon. The current system allows them to make beneficial adjustments to the tax code for major patrons and voting blocks.
Sure, Novak doesn't understand evangelicals. I do think it is news, given the image of evangelicals choosing a candidate and voting somewhat as a block (as done since 1976), that there is such a split.
Frankly, on the surface, I am surprised. Given Huckabee's record and stances, probably I am not surprised so much. If there is any surprise, it is why conservatives, including many of my close friends, would even consider him.
That would explain a Baptist supporting Hillary.
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