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Proof Hucakbee is lying about the moving cross
myself | Dec 20, 2007 | Travis McGee

Posted on 12/20/2007 8:59:16 AM PST by Travis McGee

"THE TODAY SHOW"

MEREDITH VIEIRA: Let's talk about this Christmas ad, because it comes after you have taken some hits from the critics, first for calling yourself a Christian leader, then for questioning whether Mormons believe Christ and the devil were brothers, something you did apologize for.

Now in this ad you are say people should be celebrating the birth of Christ while the shape of a cross appears to take shape behind you. And that has led some to say that this is another overt religious appeal to voters. What do you say about this ad and about those criticisms?

MIKE HUCKABEE: That floating cross is a bookshelf, Meredith. We were all amused -- the production crew I think probably more than anyone, who put the spot together.

VIEIRA: So you didn't see that image when you put the spot together, that it might be confused?

HUCKABEE: Absolutely not.


These are movie camera "tracking dollies."

There are two reasons to use tracking dollies when directing a film. The most basic use is when following a moving subject and keeping them in the same plane. The classic use is to follow a walking actor in profile.

The other use of the tracking dolly is to move the background in a controlled way, while keeping the foreground subject in one place by simultaneiously tracking and panning the camera.

That is how the Huckabee team contrived and executed the shot, in order to move the glowing white (spotlighted) shelf/cross from the left side of the shot to behind Huckabee's head, in exactly the 30 seconds of the ad.

The use of the tracking dolly is the smoking gun, the proof that the moving cross effect was deliberate, and that Huckabee is lying about it being an unnoticed coincidence.

They didn't just come out and "find" that a tracking dolly had magically appeared on the set, and decide, "Aw shucks, why don't we stick the camera on this here funny contraption, and slide it from left to right while aiming at Mike's head, just for the heck of it."

Every aspect of this political advertisement was deliberate, down to the placement of the three ornaments on the glowing white spotlighted empty shelf.

The proof that the moving cross effect was deliberate, is the use of the tracking dolly to move the cross in the background in a perfectly controlled way.


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1 posted on 12/20/2007 8:59:19 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee

RATS


2 posted on 12/20/2007 9:01:05 AM PST by DemEater
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To: Travis McGee
Is he lying???

His lips are moving. That's all I need to know.

3 posted on 12/20/2007 9:01:22 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter ( Who is America's George Galloway?)
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To: Travis McGee
Who cares?
Good grief, he is a Christian, like him or not he is not ashamed.
4 posted on 12/20/2007 9:01:51 AM PST by svcw (ncmi.net)
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To: Travis McGee

Whoever filmed that knew they had a cross in the background. Any photographer or filmographer worth his salt looks for things like that through the viewfinder.

I don’t have a big problem with it. My problem is with the denials.


5 posted on 12/20/2007 9:02:35 AM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: Travis McGee

I think some people have way way way too much time on their hands.


6 posted on 12/20/2007 9:03:00 AM PST by Badeye (No thanks, Huck, I'm not whitewashing the fence for you this election cycle)
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To: Travis McGee
I don't care that Huckabee put a cross in his Christmas ad.
I DO care that he's telling me I didn't see what I saw.
And even more that if I saw what I saw it's a sign I'm a nut.
7 posted on 12/20/2007 9:03:07 AM PST by DManA
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To: AuntB; gridlock; Eaker; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; ApesForEvolution; archy; backhoe; bayouranger; Badray; ..
I would have no issue with the moving cross advertisement, if Huckabee admitted what is patently obvious to anyone with a 3 digit IQ, namely, that it was purposefully created.

It does not bother me that a former preacher would use a cross as a key advertisement element.

It greatly worries me that a former preacher would use a cross as a key advertisement element, and then LIE about it.

If a former preacher will lie about the cross, what won't he lie about?

In the words of George Burns:

“Sincerity is everything. If you can fake that, you’ve got it made.”


8 posted on 12/20/2007 9:03:15 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: cripplecreek
I don’t have a big problem with it. My problem is with the denials.

Agree.

9 posted on 12/20/2007 9:03:44 AM PST by bcsco ("The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.")
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To: svcw
Who cares? Good grief, he is a Christian, like him or not he is not ashamed.

Then why does he LIE about using the cross?

10 posted on 12/20/2007 9:04:07 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee

Hillary Clinton is running an “all beige all the time” wardrobe campaign.

Thompson does the ad without a necktie.

Romeny is plastic perfect.

and EVERY SINGLE CAMPAIGN has a media consultant HOWEVER

just Huckabee is using the our gang commercial company...

NO WAY IN HECK is this preachers commercial with a cross anything other than 100% deliberate.


11 posted on 12/20/2007 9:04:21 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Travis McGee
My God - showing something in the shape of a cross on TV.

What is the world coming to?
12 posted on 12/20/2007 9:04:33 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Ron Paul put the cuckoo in my Cocoa Puffs)
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To: svcw

Wrong, he has no shame. Being a Christian is not a license to do anything you want and lying.


13 posted on 12/20/2007 9:04:34 AM PST by libbylu (I am voting for the prettiest.)
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To: cripplecreek

***I don’t have a big problem with it. My problem is with the denials.***

You nailed it. I totally agree. Just be honest and move on. BFD.


14 posted on 12/20/2007 9:05:11 AM PST by rineaux (How dare you, how dare you question the Clinton's wrecked record.)
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To: Travis McGee

I still don’t get the big deal.
A cross at Christmas .... doesn’t offend me.

Hillary, Obama, Edwards, Dodd ..........
DemocRATs and liberals offend me.


15 posted on 12/20/2007 9:05:12 AM PST by IrishMike (Liberalism is Jihad from within)
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To: Travis McGee

I don’t like or trust Huckabee - I think he’s a socialist pretending to be a Republican - but this kerfuffle is really petty. Whether he intended it or not, there’s nothing wrong with a cross in a Merry Christmas message.


16 posted on 12/20/2007 9:05:19 AM PST by hsalaw
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To: Travis McGee
The proof that the moving cross effect was deliberate, is the use of the tracking dolly to move the cross in the background in a perfectly controlled way.

As one with experience in commercial production, you are exactly correct.

If there is no need for the effect, there is no reason to rent the tracking dolly (most film equipment is rented by the production company).

17 posted on 12/20/2007 9:05:32 AM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Travis McGee

If a presidential candidate did not know or review the ad, he’s an incompetant boob, a snake-oil selling liar, or a former Arkansas governor.


18 posted on 12/20/2007 9:05:39 AM PST by PurpleMan
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To: Travis McGee

Uhhh, Who cares? Libs will hate him for the cross.... Libs will hate him for being Christian, Libnut will hate him for breathing their air..... MSM are libnuts with a microphone....Why should conservative care?


19 posted on 12/20/2007 9:05:49 AM PST by armourup (Your Doctor is 100% wrong about Lyme Disease.)
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To: Travis McGee

Uhhh, Who cares? Libs will hate him for the cross.... Libs will hate him for being Christian, Libnut will hate him for breathing their air..... MSM are libnuts with a microphone....Why should conservative care?


20 posted on 12/20/2007 9:05:52 AM PST by armourup (Your Doctor is 100% wrong about Lyme Disease.)
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To: svcw

I think the point is that if he’s lying about this ad, his Christianity is not the main feature of his character. I haven’t seen the ad myself, so I don’t know. Having made several movies myself, I can say that sometimes, subtleties are intended - sometimes, people read unwarranted significance into things.


21 posted on 12/20/2007 9:06:20 AM PST by karnage
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To: Travis McGee
I do not knock anyones religious beliefs, however they are not what I look for when choosing a candidate.

Beliefs are what guide you, not what makes you think you are better than others.

22 posted on 12/20/2007 9:06:31 AM PST by Pistolshot (Never argue with stupid people, they just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience)
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To: Travis McGee
So if you eliminate any politician who has told a lie, from your list of candidates, who is left to vote for?

Or do you hold certain candidates, an ex-preacher for example, to a higher standard?

23 posted on 12/20/2007 9:06:40 AM PST by Michael.SF. ("democrat" -- 'one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses " - Joseph J. Ellis)
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To: hsalaw

Oops. I posted before I finished. I meant to add that the problem is that he’s denying it. He should have just said either “yes, we wanted to have a cross in our Christmas message” or “no, we didn’t notice it until the ad ran, but there it is and I like it.”


24 posted on 12/20/2007 9:07:07 AM PST by hsalaw
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To: PurpleMan

He broke the law:

UN-15a.Article.43

No citizen shall display the cross of Christ.


25 posted on 12/20/2007 9:07:12 AM PST by Scythian
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To: DManA

Do you see what I see?


26 posted on 12/20/2007 9:07:57 AM PST by Piranha
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To: svcw

that is not the issue.

Like all things it is the LIE not the facts.

1. Huckabee is pushing the “more christain than you” campaign. (did you know he was a preacher on 9/11)

2. Huckabee did not simply put a cross in the background, he use an allusion to a cross.

3. He then DENIED that it was deliberate when in fact it is OBVIOUS it is a deliberate action in the lighting, the movement, and the fact image control people micromanage these items for all campaigns.

It is a sleazy act by a sleazy politician.


27 posted on 12/20/2007 9:08:23 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Scythian

A joke. Got it.


28 posted on 12/20/2007 9:08:27 AM PST by PurpleMan
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To: cripplecreek

It looked like a bookcase to me. Who cares?

Maybe they’re denying it because they thought it was a bookcase too? The camera only panned past the bookcase because they wanted to bring the tree into the frame slowly... OK. Big deal?

I don’t even like Huck all that much... but sheesh. Much ado about nothing.


29 posted on 12/20/2007 9:09:00 AM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Travis McGee

I don’t think that proves anything beyond taking the long way around to point out the obvious - that the camera is moving. But we already knew that. This kind of thing is done all the time, and is very popular in contemporary production. It is an aesthetic choice, and yes, a deliberate one. Making issue out of it totally misses the mark though. Why cares if the “cross” is floating or stationary, anyways?

The point of it is that the bookshelf was chosen, framed, and lighted in a particular way to resemble a cross, “floating” or not. The camera movement was designed simply to bring more attention to it, just to make sure them dumb rubes in Iowa didn’t miss it.


30 posted on 12/20/2007 9:10:03 AM PST by counterpunch (Get Up And Go Fred Go Already!)
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To: Travis McGee

My problem is having people like Meridith Viera in positions of influence.


31 posted on 12/20/2007 9:10:11 AM PST by preacher (A government which robs from Peter to pay Paul will always have the support of Paul.)
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To: reagan_fanatic

I saw the ad, it looks likes shelves.


32 posted on 12/20/2007 9:10:29 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Travis McGee
VIEIRA: So you didn't see that image when you put the spot together, that it might be confused?

Confused about what VIEIRA? That Christ was born on Christmas morn? So what?

Travis,
Perhaps Huckabee didn't know about it during the film production, and after being presented with the posited truth, didn't wish to acknowledge it. To you as well, so what?

33 posted on 12/20/2007 9:10:34 AM PST by vox_freedom
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To: Travis McGee

There are a lot of bigger reasons than this not to support him. Let this one go.


34 posted on 12/20/2007 9:10:40 AM PST by McGruff (A "Big Time" Fred Thompson supporter!)
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To: karnage
I think the point is that if he’s lying about this ad, his Christianity is not the main feature of his character. I haven’t seen the ad myself, so I don’t know.

Thanks for reminding me to link the video. Looking at a still photo capture doesn't reveal the perfect manipulation of the cross effect by the use of the moving camera tracking dolly.

VIDEO HERE

35 posted on 12/20/2007 9:11:10 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: IrishMike

he did not simply hang a cross or even have a manger scene.

He used subterfuge to create a cross with tricks of angle and light.

Huckabee is doing the more christian than thou and his anti mormon spin stuff.

This was no mere christmas “howdy”.


36 posted on 12/20/2007 9:11:13 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Travis McGee
I have to agree with you, Travis.

My more fundamental problem with Huck is he didn't seem to govern as a conservative in Arkansas.

So, we've got fiscal and foreign policy conservatives who are social liberals, a social conservative who is a fiscal liberal and a guy who claims to have been converted to social conservatism. Somewhere in that mess I need to find a candidate. :-))

37 posted on 12/20/2007 9:11:20 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Travis McGee
Every aspect of this political advertisement was deliberate

That was my contention when I first saw the ad, too.

The panning scene was too staged for the camera person to not see the 'bookcase' shelving form a lighted cross.
38 posted on 12/20/2007 9:11:20 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Travis McGee

39 posted on 12/20/2007 9:12:14 AM PST by Leisler (RNC, RINO National Committee. Always was, always will be.)
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To: reagan_fanatic
My God - showing something in the shape of a cross on TV. What is the world coming to?

I don't care about his use of the cross in a political ad.

I worry greatly about his LYING about using the cross.

If a former preacher will lie about the cross, what won't he lie about?

40 posted on 12/20/2007 9:12:44 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee
"Every aspect of this political advertisement was deliberate..."

It's a POLITICAL ADVERTISEMENT for crying out loud - of course it's deliberate.
Huck is a polititian, just a man like everyone else - trying to get an edge where he can - which only means he may not be as dumb as some make hinm out to be......

41 posted on 12/20/2007 9:12:55 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Travis McGee

The lighting of the object was also purposeful.
The cross was meant to be there. And there should not be a problem with it. Its Christmas.
My problem with it ...is that Huck is denying that it is what it is. As for being ashamed....why the denial? Stand up proudly and say yes its a cross...my faith and the Lords birth is what this season is about. To poohpooh it and make a joke about Paul is dead...thats where the shame and the sham begins and ends.


42 posted on 12/20/2007 9:12:56 AM PST by donnab (saving liberal brains...one moron at a time.)
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To: Piranha
I took Huck's challenge and played the commercial backwards. Here's what I hear:

Let the Mexicans in. Let them all in.

43 posted on 12/20/2007 9:13:17 AM PST by DManA
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To: Travis McGee

I agree that Huck lied, but is there a source proving that this was what was done? It makes sense to me. My eyesight isn’t that great, but I don’t even see a bookshelf. At first, I thought it was an enhanced convenient “sparkle” from a light on the Christmas tree. Then I thought it was a window pane that was used disingenuously, but it can’t be because the Christmas tree appears to be in front of the cross.

It really wouldn’t matter to me at all because special effects are used all the time, but when Huck said it wasn’t a cross, he blew it. He would have been much wiser to say something like, “Cool how it showed up, huh?” He didn’t. Instead, he chose to lie.


44 posted on 12/20/2007 9:13:53 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: DManA

LOL


45 posted on 12/20/2007 9:13:59 AM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: Travis McGee
Huckster is going down. He is having a few days of fame, and then the inevitable flame down. Not President material.
46 posted on 12/20/2007 9:14:38 AM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: counterpunch
The camera movement was designed simply to bring more attention to it, just to make sure them dumb rubes in Iowa didn’t miss it.

And I have zero problem with that.

I have a big problem with former preacher's who would LIE even about the cross.

If a former preacher will lie about the cross, what won't he lie about?

47 posted on 12/20/2007 9:14:39 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: svcw

If he is so proud, why is he obviously lying. The man is a sleeze.


48 posted on 12/20/2007 9:15:27 AM PST by cajungirl
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To: DManA
What does it matter that the Huckster says he is a good Christian and pro-life when Huckabee will turn the U.S,. into a socialist state where we will all be starving?

Huckabee Begs For New Taxes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pLOC4krZI4

Huckabee Caught Lying About His Tax Hikes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYrGlfkvRV0&feature=related

Huckabee is a pro-illegal, pro-Amnesty, tax raising, big government loving, socialist/liberal, violent criminal pardoning, terrorist appeasing, false prophet. In other words Huckabee is really a Democrat.

Under no circumstances will I ever vote for this liberal/communist con man.

The Huckster Huckabee or Hillary will let in hundreds of millions of 3rd world socialist illegals.

The Huckster or Hillary will surrender to Iran and let Iran build a nuclear arsenal.

The Huckster or Hillary will raise taxes and increase the size of government putting the U.S. on the road to socialism which will destroy our way of life, destroy our economy, destroy our civilization.

If you think I'm exaggerating look at Huckabee's record and into the dangers of socialism.

But hey , the idiot Huckster lies and says he is pro-life so that makes all of this ok huh?

Mike Huckabee disses Americans, Mexicans, promotes illegal immigration

http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/005609.html

Christians Need To Beware Of Mike Huckabee

http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2007/cbarchive_20071102.html

While Gov. of Arkansas, Huckabee was AGAINST proving citizenship in order to register to vote. He called those who were in favor of this “racists”..

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050218/news_lz1e18perkins.html

Huckabee fought hard to kill an Arkansas bill which would have cut off social services for illegal aliens. Huckabee called the bill, “anti-Christian” and “un-American”...

http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2005/01/28/News/316347.html

Huckabee supported in-state tuition for illegal aliens...

http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2005/03/11/News/318458.html

Huckabee’s opposition to the illegal aliens bill:

http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/000718.html

Chuck the Huck and his striped shirts:


49 posted on 12/20/2007 9:15:47 AM PST by rurgan (socialism doesn't work. Government is the problem not the solution to our problems.)
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To: hsalaw
Whether he intended it or not, there’s nothing wrong with a cross in a Merry Christmas message.

I agree 100%.

But I think it's a big problem when a guy who wears his religion on his sleeve will intentionally use the cross, and then LIE about it.

If a former preacher will lie about the cross, what won't he lie about?

50 posted on 12/20/2007 9:16:13 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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