Calif. population nears 38 million, up 11.5 percent since 2000

ASSOCIATED PRESS ^ | December 19, 2007 | Don Thompson

[george76]

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is fond of referring to California as a nation state. Population figures released Wednesday show that if the Golden State was its own country, it would be right there with Poland.

The department calculated that the nation's most populous state had about 37,771,000 people as of July 1. It added 438,000 more residents in the previous year.

Just more than 12 percent of the 301 million people in the U.S. live in California.

Los Angeles County alone is home to nearly 10.3 million people, a population slightly higher than Michigan's. By contrast, mountainous Alpine County had just 1,261 residents, the fewest in California, the department said in its annual population report.

California now has about 14 million more residents than the next largest state, Texas, which has 23.5 million.

Since the 2000 census, California had 3.9 million births and 1.7 million deaths, for a net increase of 2.2 million. Since then, the state also has added 1.5 million foreign immigrants and 125,000 people from other states to reach its current population, the department said.

The state has added nearly 8 million people since 1990.

[MinorityRepublican]

Impressive

[goldstategop]

1.5 million foreign immigrants. MSM speak for illegals.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[Route66]

...and a large percentage the live births were probably from illegal immigrant mothers.

[BunnySlippers]

And yet you read story after story about how more people are laving CA than entering.

Stupid!

[MinorityRepublican]

You mean native born Americans.

[BunnySlippers]

Ask the pollsters. They don’t specify.

Those who live here know it’s bunk!

[al baby]

Yup squat and drop citizenship

[Mojohemi]

Just ask yourself, would I have visited California in the Sixties, My answer is YES,
Now ask yourself if you would visit California today, My answer is NO

Now name the other states in the USA that you have the exact sentiment about.
The number is growing !!

[dragnet2]

And yet you read story after story about how more people are laving CA than entering.

Oh, those are people that live in cold dark, frigid regions hoping for a killer RE deals in Cal. And I would imagine there are more than a few went looking for greener pastures only to find a cold dark frigid environments. lol

Like my friend that went to Colorado to escape illegal aliens, only to find illegal aliens...And a frigid...well you know.

[SierraWasp]

34% of that near 38 million are immigrants from south of the border (13 million).

[ought-six]

Kick out the illegals and California will have the population of Delaware. /sarc (but just barely)

[ought-six]

“Now name the other states in the USA that you have the exact sentiment about.”

Washington, for sure. The entire Northeast (that’s from Pennsylvania east to the Atlantic and north to Canada). Then, of course, Minnesota. Wisconsin and Illinois (where I presently live) are getting there. And, without a doubt — although it’s not a state — Washington, D.C.

[OKIEDOC]

Listening to a local talk show out of Palm Springs this afternoon.

The host was taking calls about where would people live after they retire.

It was sad that 9 out of 10 callers said they were moving out of state because of several reasons.

Biggest reason’s given by callers was the downgrade of society caused by all the illegals moving in and running down neighborhoods, over crowding hospital emergency rooms and not adding to but taking away from everyday life, high prices, and Taxes.

Three out of ten of those callers were moving to Arizona.

Just food for thought.

[Travis McGee]

At least ten million are illegal aliens, anchor babies, and amnestied illegals.

[ruination]

Was this on the Bush 2000 platform?

[Age of Reason]

The bigger the population, the less freedom.

[InsensitiveConservative]

Biggest reason’s given by callers was the downgrade of society caused by all the illegals moving in and running down neighborhoods, over crowding hospital emergency rooms and not adding to but taking away from everyday life, high prices, and Taxes. Three out of ten of those callers were moving to Arizona.

I doubt we can hold out until we retire. I held up a picture of my son's Kindergarten class and asked 'can you spot the kid who isn't an anchor baby?' Out of 19 kids there is one other is who isn't an anchor, and we don't live in the vato!

[Cementjungle]

California needs to invent an emmigration tax. Their new slogan can be: “What’s Earned in California Stays in California”.

[OKIEDOC]

The liberals have tried to legislate how people feel about others and California is a good example of why it isn’t working as promised.

The liberal laws gave an inch and the minorities took a mile.

Hearing those people in Palm Springs complaining about California becoming an annex to Mexico is disturbing.

I remember years ago hearing and reading that this day would come and here it is and many of those who complained about human rights are now complaining about being over run by those who will not assimilate.

[ronnie raygun]

The 11.5 increase is the illegal immigrant population, not the entreprenuer who is seeking new opportunities in business in a rich business state. Ask any one in business in California they are being taxed out of existance by your friendly nieghborhood Demoroid! Cancer has struck this state as it has struck many others.

[Plains Drifter]

“California needs to invent an emmigration tax. Their new slogan can be “What’s Earned in California Stays in California.”

California had one during the Clinton Administration. It was called the source tax. If your income came from California you had to pay California income tax regardless of what state you resided in. As we were planning our family’s future this tax “was” the only thing that would have kept us in California. Once Clinton abolished this tax our family comprised of native-born Californians immediately left California and never looked back.

As to who is filling in for those of us who left, it is legal and illegal immigrants. It is also a staggering immigrant birthrate. I attended a seminar about 10 years ago put on by the San Diego Building Contractor’s Association and the speaker at that time said California could seal it’s borders and the population rate would continue to climb due to in state births. Los Angeles is the second biggest city for Mexican citizens next to Mexico City, Mexico.

[RetiredArmy]

Welcome To Mexicaforniastan.

[Myrddin]

Oh, those are people that live in cold dark, frigid regions hoping for a killer RE deals in Cal. And I would imagine there are more than a few went looking for greener pastures only to find a cold dark frigid environments. lol

I made my killer RE deal in CA in 2001 when I sold my house in San Diego and purchased a house in Chubbuck, ID. My new house is 3900 sq ft on 1/3 acre. Free and clear. It's 3 times the floor space of the old house. The snow covering my lawn means I don't have to mow or water it. Cool. That beats spending 4 hours mowing my residence AND the 1/4 acre yard of the 2nd house (2068 sq ft) I purchased with all the disposable income I'm not wasting on high CA taxes and other high cost aspects of living in CA.

My mom sold the family house in Chula Vista for $512,000 in Oct 2005. She purchased another place in Rancho San Diego for $495,000. The old family home is back on the market for $350,000 this month. RE prices are dropping fast with the credit crunch. My son (a CA real estate broker) is feeling the pinch in a big way. His monthly income dropped from $8,000 to $1,200 in the last 2 months.

[Myrddin]

Biggest reason’s given by callers was the downgrade of society caused by all the illegals moving in and running down neighborhoods, over crowding hospital emergency rooms and not adding to but taking away from everyday life, high prices, and Taxes.

The family home that my mom sold in Chula Vista was in a very nice neighborhood when we purchased the house in 1961. The houses up the street were still under construction. That neighborhood is predominantly Spanish speaking today. The walls and fences are covered with hispanic gang graffiti. Drug deals happen up and down the street. Very often in the driveway of our old house because it sits on a corner. Gun shots are often heard after dark. Burglaries and homes outfitted with burglar bars are the norm today. That is the kind of house (1700 sq ft, double garage, 3 br, 2 ba, finished patio, pool, corner lot) that sold for $512,000 in Oct 2005.

My mom made a good decision to get away from that area. Her new house is smaller, but the neighborhood demographics are a better match for her.

When she passes, I'll sell the property and divide the proceeds with my sister. I have zero interest in ever living in CA again.

[Myrddin]

California needs to invent an emmigration tax. Their new slogan can be: “What’s Earned in California Stays in California”.

They already did. I sold my house before it was invented, but the nasty little hack is to assess a sales tax on the sale of your residence. If you purchase another piece of real estate inside CA, you can apply the following year for a refund. If you invest the money outside CA, then the state keeps the sales tax.

Frankly, it's worth paying the tax to get the hell out of CA. You'll recover the loss with a lower cost of living elsewhere. Paying off my mortgage saved me $350,000 in mortgage interest compared to paying the remainder of the mortgage term.

[rmlew]

Was this on the Bush 2000 platform?

Yes and no. It was closer to the logical implications of the speech Jorge maid at the convention.
AS Kimberly GG put it quoting my fiend Lawrence Auster:

THE "NEW AMERICAN"

We are now one of the largest Spanish-speaking nations in the world. We're a major source of Latin music, journalism and culture.

Just go to Miami, or San Antonio, Los Angeles, Chicago or West New York, New Jersey ... and close your eyes and listen. You could just as easily be in Santo Domingo or Santiago, or San Miguel de Allende.

For years our nation has debated this change -- some have praised it and others have resented it. By nominating me, my party has made a choice to welcome the new America.

As I speak, we are celebrating the success of democracy in Mexico.

George Bush from a campaign speech in Miami, August 2000.

You can read the speech here.

Here is an excerpt of a good critique of that speech:

In equating our intimate historic bonds to our mother country and to Canada with our ties to Mexico, W. shows a staggering ignorance of the civilizational facts of life. The reason we are so close to Britain and Canada is that we share with them a common historical culture, language, literature, and legal system, as well as similar standards of behavior, expectations of public officials, and so on. My Bush Epiphany By Lawrence Auster

[Cementjungle]

They already did. I sold my house before it was invented, but the nasty little hack is to assess a sales tax on the sale of your residence. If you purchase another piece of real estate inside CA, you can apply the following year for a refund. If you invest the money outside CA, then the state keeps the sales tax.

I sold 2 years ago and moved out of CA, but was able to get most of the $ back the next year when I filed for it. They held back at escrow taxes as if 100% of the sale was gain, so I got back the difference between that and the actual profit/gain. It did stink to have them sit on that money (interest free) for 8 months, but was nice to get it back.

[ken21]

yes, there was a net loss in people moving in and out of the state.

but, folks here still have sex

and produce babies.

si.

[puroresu]

It’s funny how we keep hearing that diversity is a strength, that immigrants are a boon to the economy, and that Mexicans in particular are “natural Republican voters”. Yet every place that’s filling up with these immigrants (legal or illegal) is turning into a declining, violent, leftist Democrat, economic basket case.

[Myrddin]

It did stink to have them sit on that money (interest free) for 8 months, but was nice to get it back.

I'll bet they didn't miss a chance to earn some interest at your expense. I had lived in the house in Mira Mesa for 17 years when I sold it. It was purchased for $105,000 in 1983 with a pretty high interest mortgage (thanks to Jimmah Carter). I sold it for $242,000. My net proceeds after paying off the existing loan, moving costs and sellers fees was about $80,000. That went directly into the house in Idaho. Retiring the home equity loan, paying the movers and setting aside $6,000 to cover an apartment for 6 months in San Diego consumed $60,000 of my equity. It was an expensive move, but I'm way ahead compared to staying in San Diego.

[Pelham]

Did you have some connection with that part of Idaho? You know how the rest of us Californians are always looking for that bailout site.

[dragnet2]

I made my killer RE deal in CA in 2001 when I sold my house in San Diego and purchased a house in Chubbuck, ID.

That's very commendable...I just hate the cold. It's a personal thing.

[OKIEDOC]

Let me say off the cuff so to speak, that your story saddens me.

I have driven through many of those Hispanic neighborhoods in Chula Vista.

There is something about the mental make up of those people who come illegally from Mexico.

Illegals bring their losing mentality across the border and instill their third world ways into where ever they lite.

I have attended church up on Caesar Chavez with many of those people and every one says the same thing and that is they don’t like that the gangs are taking over their neighborhoods.

Yet those same people some how through their narrowed thought processes bring about the very scourges that they say they hate.

The local folks that I live around are not like those Mexicans you find in the inner cities.

The Hispanics here in my town have an almost innocent uncorrupted outlook on life.

I spent over 5 years working with the poorest of the poor in a South American clinic and can tell you that the same mentality that affects the poor there runs rabid in the poor illegals coming across the border.

You can dress up and put paint and powder on a pig and you still have a pig when your done.

Poor people are poor for many reasons.

The only reason the immigrants of the past over came the obstacles of being poor when they came to America was their finally assimilating into the general population and becoming patriotic citizens beholding not to the old country but the one that gave them new opportunities.

Just my opinion and I could be wrong but it seems the new immigrants want the best that America offers but only want to have loyalty to Mexico and their old pobre ways of life.

[Porterville]

You live in Colorado... you don’t count... you gave up.

[Cementjungle]

It was an expensive move, but I'm way ahead compared to staying in San Diego

Yea, San Diego is quite nice, but too darned expensive, at least if you want to be anywhere near the ocean. So, we opted for Washington state instead and got our waterfront property finally. The only thing we miss about Los Angeles is the choice in restaurants.

[Myrddin]

Did you have some connection with that part of Idaho? You know how the rest of us Californians are always looking for that bailout site.

None at all. I was looking for good real estate values, low crime, good 2nd amendment laws, good networking, proximity to an airport and freeways, proximity to fun stuff e.g. Yellowstone National Park, 4 seasons, less traffic. I found all of that. CCW in Idaho is a common as sand on the beach. If I had time to hunt, there are plenty of places nearby with deer, elk, moose, mountain lions and black bears. Plenty of coyotes and prairie dogs for varminting.

The state is predominantly conservatives. Mostly Republicans. The university cities (Moscow/Boise) attract a bit of the liberal element.

For outdoor recreation, you can't beat the place.

[Myrddin]

That's very commendable...I just hate the cold. It's a personal thing.

I was prepared for the cold. My dad was in the Navy, so I had a chance to live in Hawaii, San Diego, Washington state and northern Virginia. I liked the northwest best. The late sunsets in summer (9:15 PM) are just the ticket. We just had the earliest sunset recently at 4:55 PM. Fall and Spring are the most comfortable seasons. Summer is hot and bone dry. No humidity to make you uncomfortable, but you really have to make a conscious effort to remain properly hydrated. Our annual rainfall is almost identical to San Diego, except that 4 inches of the water arrives as 40 inches of snow. No big deal as it is spread over multiple storms. Most winter days are in the teens or 20's. A light jacket is satisfactory.

Summer temps range from low 60s to just over 100 in late July. That high temp only occurs on one or two days each year.

[Myrddin]

Just my opinion and I could be wrong but it seems the new immigrants want the best that America offers but only want to have loyalty to Mexico and their old pobre ways of life.

You nailed it in one sentence. The immigrants want to enjoy all the benefits without understanding how that prosperity is created. The old adage about giving a man a fish vs teaching him to fish applies. The immigrants expect to be handed an endless supply of fish.

Chula Vista was almost devoid of hispanics when I was a young child in the early 60s. There were no black people at all in the city. By the time I graduated from high school in 1973, we had 2 black people at the school. One was a foreign exchange student. The school was less than 5% hispanic. It is not the same place today. The city is predominantly hispanic followed by black. The white community is the minority. Mostly elderly people who have lived in the city since the 60s. That metamorphosis occurred between 1973 and 2000.

When I moved into Mira Mesa, I knew the population was predominantly asian in 1983. By the time I sold my home in 2001, the new Circle K on Camino Ruiz and Reagan Rd was sporting weekly sales ads in Spanish. The hispanic graffiti and drive by shootings had migrated 25 miles north from Chula Vista to Mira Mesa. Aside for all the other things that made me want to leave, it was apparent that my own neighborhood was swirling down the toilet too. It was time to leave.

[Myrddin]

I enjoyed living in Federal Way, WA as a kid. My parents had a rule that I had to be home before dark. That sucked in the Fall and Winter. I got off the bus from Adelaide Elementary school at 3:15 PM. It was dark by the time I walked in the front door. Summer was sweet revenge. It didn't turn dark until 10 PM. Yahoo! Lots of time to have fun.

I have the same paucity of choice in restaurants compared to San Diego. We have the big chains...Applebee's, Red Lobster, Denny's, I-Hop, Perkins, Texas Roadhouse, Chili's, Golden Corral, McDonalds, Jack in the Box, Arby's, Wendy's, Wingers, Subway, Sonic. We also have some fine local restaurants that cover good Italian, Mexican, Greek, Chinese, Japanese, Indian and Thai cuisines. There is a rumor that Ruby Tuesday's will be appearing soon. I miss the Vietnamese soups. A short drive north to Idaho Falls adds Outback Steakhouse, Bajio, lots of sushi houses, TGI Friday's, Ruby River and Olive Garden.

My next door neighbor likes to take his jet skis out to Bear Lake. Other neighbors are happy to haul their boats to the Snake River, Ririe Dam, American Falls Reservoir or any of a wide variety of lakes and rivers in Idaho. I don't really miss the ocean. Living at 4600 ft elevation has its own charms. That simple bike ride at sea level will leave you huffing and puffing at this altitude. It makes my training more interesting. The mountain bikers have real mountains here. Trying riding from 6600 ft at the parking lot to 8750 ft on top of Scout Mountain. That's about a 13 mile trek to the top. I've only done it on foot. The starting point is 11 miles from my house. The Pebble Creek slopes are a 15 mile drive. Ski lifts cart the alpine skiers and snowboard crowd to the top. The less adventurous take advantage of 25 miles of cross country ski trails at Mink Creek. That's 11 miles south of my house as well. Folks with more time/money drive 2 hours to Sun Valley/Hailey/Ketchum for some serious skiing or about the same distance south into Utah to go to Park City.

[dragnet2]

Last time I was in Idaho I about froze to death. Then throw in the icy roads I had to deal with and I was asking for the check.

I'll hang with Southern California weather thanks...Suppose to be about 71 degrees today, bright sunshine, with unlimited visibility...Just a gorgeous day. Flowers are all in bloom...We actually had a light layer of frost on the spa cover earlier this morning...But it's all gone now.

I hear it's about 22 degrees in Boise now, with a real feel of 11, with snow and ice overnight. Yikes!

[Myrddin]

I'm a California native. The weather suited me fine. Unfortunately, it suited a hell of lot of other people too. A visit to Fry's Electronics shouldn't feel like moving through a crown of sports fans anxious to get home after a big game at the stadium. That's exactly what I experienced the last time to tried to shop there in Oct 2005.

I miss being able to skate around Miramar Lake on Christmas day. It was always a hoot to see the new inline skaters negotiate the road around the lake. Shortly after the WTC was knocked down in 2001, the city of San Diego cut off access over the dam. Instead of a 5 mile loop, you have to turn around at the 3.5 mile point. That causes conflicts with traffic both directions. It took the fun out of making a 3 loop, 15 mile non-stop workout.

Water rights issues in Idaho have set a boundary on how many houses are permitted to be built. The weather also acts as a moderating influence to growth. You don't find lots of homeless hanging around town during the winter. The city refuses to create a "welcoming environment" by putting up shelters and feeding them. The result is that they hit the road in early September and don't reappear until mid-May. The pleasant weather in southern California makes it possible to be an urban outdoorsman nearly all year. The city sets up shelters and feeding arrangement (taxpayer funded) for the nominal 40 days a year when the weather is too harsh.

It is currently 26 degrees outside in Chubbuck. The snow we received on Thursday night is completely intact. More is coming tonight and Monday night. All of southern Idaho has a storm watch right now. We're expecting 1 to 2 inches of snow starting after 11 PM.

[Travis McGee]

Yep.

[trumandogz]

You mean native born Americans.

Many of us are Americans are citizens but not native born.

"An American by choice, not luck."

[longtermmemmory]

ap trying to counter the story about people FLEETING california. (IOW the fleeing tax payers)

IOOW, the population increase in with TAX MONEY BURDENS and the tax PAYERS are fleeing.

[dragnet2]

Yup, I have a brother in law in Moscow ID...A PHD at the local leftist college.

I too am a California native. We're fortunate to live in a very nice area of So. Cal.

I've traveled to almost every state some years ago and it only made me homesick for the weather back home. Cal has it's problems but I have no desire to move anywhere else.

I'm spoiled by the weather and I hate cold weather. And as I get older, I hate it even more. We have our desert, beach and mountain escape spots so it really works out well for us. We have a bunch of dirt bikes and 4x4s and do the off road thing here. Lots of fun. I'm actually restoring a vintage 1970 Yamaha dirt bike like one I had as a kid. Keeps me out of trouble.

[Myrddin]

I miss my dirt bike too. I sold it just before I got married. There was nowhere to keep the BSA 500 single, nor any means of transporting to more favorable locations.

I made a visit to the local Honda and Suzuki shops in Pocatello last year. The technology in dirt bikes has made a radical change compared to what I was riding in the early 70s.

[dragnet2]

Agree about the technology in dirt bikes. The suspension on these things is just unreal. Most of our bike are old generation stuff, but we do have some mono shock bikes. BSA 500? I remember this guy that had a BSA Lightning 650. He used to pull a wheelie about 100 yards long in the front of the high school years ago. It did that almost every day. lol... Awesome bike.

Check out this restored BSA. Way nice.

http://www.britcycle.com/bikes/JReilly.htm

[dragnet2]

Look at this beautiful restored 1966

[Myrddin]

I looked around for a 650 at one time, but couldn't find any that were decent and in my price range. I picked up the 500 for $550 used. I only took it out in the dirt 3 times before I sold it. It was an incredible bike. On my 2nd trip to the dirt, I was heading down a steep bunny trail. At the bottom of the hill I was suddenly faced with a pile of old chunks of sidewalk and curbs. I was doing 40 MPH. There was no way to stop, so I just lofted the front wheel and the bike zipped up the pile with ease. It certainly could have turned out differently.

When I was in high school, I spent my weekends out at a race track known as Speedway 117. It was at the intersection of I-805 and State 117 just north of the Mexican border. Many of my high school friends were racing in a semi-pro circuit out there. It was fun to watch them. One of the guys, Ward Ring, rode a wheelie all the way around the track on his BSA 650. Some years later I was listening to the news and heard he had been killed racing in Baja California. He always pushed the limits. It was an inevitable consequence.