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Teacher placed on leave after driving to school with BB rifle on station wagon
Orlando Sentinel ^ | December 21, 2007 | Rene Stutzman

Posted on 12/21/2007 8:53:04 AM PST by subterfuge

A second-grade teacher at Forest City Elementary School in Altamonte Springs has been placed on leave after he, by mistake, drove to school with a Red Rider BB rifle on top of his station wagon.

Jon Diesbourg was sent home yesterday after being questioned by Altamonte Springs police.

He told them his wife had used the BB gun to separate pet pigs because they had gotten into a fight. She had set the rifle down on his Ford Escort station wagon, and he, unknowingly drove it to work, according to police.

The BB gun was still there, on or near the car's luggage rack, when a parent spotted it yesterday on school property. A school official then called police.

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The district investigation, she said, would determine whether the BB gun is a weapon.

Diesbourg is on a paid leave of absence, she said.

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At the heart of the matter: is a BB gun a **weapon**?

Answer: yes, if you're in a tussel with a lump of jello.

Merry Christmas!!

1 posted on 12/21/2007 8:53:06 AM PST by subterfuge
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To: subterfuge

These are the morons who are teaching your kids.

Get your kids out of public school, any way possible.


2 posted on 12/21/2007 8:54:53 AM PST by marron
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To: subterfuge

You’ll shoot your eye out.


3 posted on 12/21/2007 8:54:59 AM PST by TornadoAlley3 ( An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping that it will eat him last..)
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To: subterfuge
Sad.

My father always told me, during deer season all the male students would have a rifle in their truck. If you didn’t, you were ‘odd’. Times certainly have changed.

4 posted on 12/21/2007 8:55:28 AM PST by BGHater (If Guns Cause Crime Then Matches Cause Arson?)
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To: marron

“You’ll shoot you eye out teacher.”


5 posted on 12/21/2007 8:55:41 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: subterfuge

Or apparently with an ornery pig!


6 posted on 12/21/2007 8:56:05 AM PST by blau993 (Fight Gerbil Swarming)
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To: subterfuge

Animal control will be filing cruelty to animal charges for shooting the pigs with the bb gun.


7 posted on 12/21/2007 8:57:26 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (Global warming is the new Marxism.)
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To: subterfuge

“It could put your eye out.”

The Christmas Story


8 posted on 12/21/2007 8:58:46 AM PST by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: subterfuge

DBM educating “fear of ownership” into the public.

You are not allowed to have private THOUGHTS.

Now you are not allwoed to have private personal property.


9 posted on 12/21/2007 8:58:47 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: BGHater

I used to shoot .22’s at a range in the high school basement.


10 posted on 12/21/2007 9:00:21 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: subterfuge

V-E-R-Y silly.


11 posted on 12/21/2007 9:00:45 AM PST by gracesdad
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To: subterfuge

School 1957 vs. 2007

Scenario: Jack goes quail hunting before school, pulls into school parking lot with shotgun in gun rack.
1957 - Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack’s shotgun, goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack.
2007 - School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.

Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fistfight after school.
1957 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies.
2007 - Police called, SWAT team a arrives, arrests Johnny and Mark. Charge them with assault, both expelled even though Johnny started it.

Scenario: Jeffrey won’t be still in class, disrupts other students.
1957 - Jeffrey sent to office and given a good paddling by the Principal. Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.
2007 - Jeffrey given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie. Tested for ADD. School gets extra money from state because Jeffrey has a disability.

Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his neighbor’s car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.
1957 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman.
2007 - Billy’s dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy removed to foster care and joins a gang. State psychologist tells Billy’s sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison. Billy’s mom has affair with psychologist.

Scenario: Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school.
1957 - Mark shares aspirin with Principal out on the smoking dock.
2007 - Police called, Mark expelled from school for drug violations. Car searched for drugs and weapons.

Scenario: Pedro fails high school English.
1957 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English, and goes to college.
2007 - Pedro’s cause is taken up by the state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against state school system and Pedro’s English teacher. English banned from core curriculum. Pedro given diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.

Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from 4th of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle, and blows up a red ant bed.
1957 - Ants die.
2007 - BATF, Homeland Security and FBI called. Johnny charged with domestic terrorism, FBI investigates parents, siblings removed from home, computers confiscated. Johnny’s Dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.

Scenario: Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary hugs him to comfort him.
1957 - In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.
2007 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in State Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy.


12 posted on 12/21/2007 9:02:05 AM PST by Lexington Green (There ain't no news in the news no more.)
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To: subterfuge

13 posted on 12/21/2007 9:02:44 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi (I have not, nor will I contribute to Tammany Hil)
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To: subterfuge
Did she know "somone could get their eye shot out with that thing".
14 posted on 12/21/2007 9:02:52 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: subterfuge
I bought a slingshot to take of some pesky squirrels.
I had to verify my age (gray hair wasn’t enough) to the clerk. Bells were going of like crazy.
It was a stupid slingshot.
15 posted on 12/21/2007 9:03:24 AM PST by Stark_GOP
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To: BGHater

It was like that in North Mississippi back in the 80’s. Of course, I drove to school when I was 14, the Headmaster just made us lawbreakers park off campus.


16 posted on 12/21/2007 9:03:28 AM PST by Sybeck1 (Huckabee - Our Sanjaya!)
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To: subterfuge
My son is going to explode when he sees the Daisy Red Rider BB gun I got him for Christmas.

It comes with lots of accessories too.

17 posted on 12/21/2007 9:03:50 AM PST by lormand (Merry Christmas!)
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To: subterfuge
She had set the rifle down on his Ford Escort station wagon,

Rifle? Since when do they rifle BB-guns?

18 posted on 12/21/2007 9:04:01 AM PST by fella (The proper application of the truth far more important than the knowledge of it's existance."Ike")
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To: Tijeras_Slim; subterfuge
I used to shoot .22’s at a range in the high school basement.

Me, too. The local high school had a shooting range and armory for the junior ROTC, and they offered shooting lessons after school for junior high kids.

Its hard to imagine, now, that some public schools used to teach marksmanship.

19 posted on 12/21/2007 9:04:20 AM PST by marron
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To: Tijeras_Slim
I used to shoot .22’s at a range in the high school basement.

I grew up in rural Western New York State. In High School, during hunting season, we would bring our unloaded shotguns to homeroom where they would stay unattended for the day. At 3:15pm, we'd go out and hunt. There would be 20 shotguns lined up in the front of the class all day.

20 posted on 12/21/2007 9:05:15 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi (I have not, nor will I contribute to Tammany Hil)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Shh! If they find out they are likely to retroactively expel you and revoke your diploma.

/sarc, I think.

21 posted on 12/21/2007 9:05:44 AM PST by magslinger (cranky right-winger)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Ha, ha. Got shot in the neck with a bb gun when I was a kid.

We used to have little BB gun wars. The rule was “don’t shoot above the waist.” The other kid’s aim was off a little. It didn’t hurt much.


22 posted on 12/21/2007 9:06:29 AM PST by subterfuge (HILLARY IS: She who must NOT be Dismayed)
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To: marron

They still do have a shooting program for JROTC locally, except they use precision air rifles. From a logistical point of view it makes sense, no lead contamination, no need for a special range (pellet traps), and no noise problems. The principles of marksmanship, safe gun handling, and shooting competition can be learned with either.


23 posted on 12/21/2007 9:06:59 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: subterfuge

You’ll shoot your eye out, teacher!


24 posted on 12/21/2007 9:07:50 AM PST by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: lormand

“My son is going to explode”

You must be Muslim.


25 posted on 12/21/2007 9:08:18 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Crom! Non-Sequitur = Pee Wee Herman.)
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To: BGHater

we used to take our .22’s to school and go rabbit hunting after.....everyone did it...notice there were no school shootings in those days.


26 posted on 12/21/2007 9:08:39 AM PST by Alright_on_the_LeftCoast
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To: subterfuge

We have truly reached the point where we need a law to state “ common sense shall be a safe harbor from prosecution for ‘zero tollerance’ rules”

We are living in a society where the adminstrators at large desire a public wearing terry cloth jump suits and only use sporks for consumption of nutritionally formulated goverment issue tofu.


27 posted on 12/21/2007 9:08:42 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: subterfuge

I remember doing that! lol
Before the days of paintball guns.


28 posted on 12/21/2007 9:09:21 AM PST by Stark_GOP
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To: fella

Shhh... don’t let anyone figure out that journalism majors know absolutely nothing about weapons or firearm terminology.


29 posted on 12/21/2007 9:10:05 AM PST by Teacher317 (Eta kuram na smekh)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Come to think of it, my dad tells me he frequently carried his rifle to school, left it in the cloak room, so he could hunt on his way to and from school. Different era. Different mentality. Definitely rural, obviously.


30 posted on 12/21/2007 9:10:06 AM PST by marron
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I did as well. (actually it was a sub-basement) The notable thing is that this was in Manhattan, NYC!


31 posted on 12/21/2007 9:10:36 AM PST by Roccus (..........................FOR RENT......................)
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To: subterfuge
had used the BB gun to separate pet pigs

Don't they mean "dinner"?

32 posted on 12/21/2007 9:10:41 AM PST by Bush_Democrat (Ex-Dem since 2001 *Folding@Home for the Gipper - Join the FReeper Folders*)
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To: subterfuge

What next, arrest a 10 year old for cutting her steak with a knife?

This sure isn’t the Florida I grew up in back in the 1950’s and 1960’s.

Dump PC and Zero Tolerance and regain some “COMMON SENSE!”


33 posted on 12/21/2007 9:11:41 AM PST by DakotaRed (Support Duncan Hunter, Not who the media says is best.)
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To: subterfuge

This guy is so screwed.

Crud like this never ceases to amaze me.


34 posted on 12/21/2007 9:11:46 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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To: marron

Here in San Diego, one of thee high schools banned the ROTC from using any kind of gun or prop for the drill team. This group formerly did the 21 gun salute for Memorial Day at the American Legion. The school even banned this off campus practice.


35 posted on 12/21/2007 9:13:55 AM PST by Foolsgold (after all we got Daschel)
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To: BGHater

Wasn’t that long ago. I carried my shotgun and rifle (depending on hunting season) in my car to high school. I graduated in ‘90.


36 posted on 12/21/2007 9:14:32 AM PST by Domandred (Eagles soar, but unfortunately weasels never get sucked into jet engines)
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To: subterfuge

Remember this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nONDliZ2elY


37 posted on 12/21/2007 9:14:54 AM PST by robby (xbox360 gamertag...........bainrowe)
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To: subterfuge

we did the same.


38 posted on 12/21/2007 9:15:45 AM PST by bigfootbob
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To: subterfuge

BB gun. What were they afraid of, that he would shoot his eye out?

It was annoying, of course, because so many windows at school got shot out by BB gun-toters, and there would be some outcry about showing up with one. But the classroom windows were replaced with polycarbonate, and the BB’s bounce off largely harmlessly.


39 posted on 12/21/2007 9:16:40 AM PST by alloysteel (Ignorance is no handicap for some people in a debate. They just get more shrill.)
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To: subterfuge

But, was it an “assault” BB gun?


40 posted on 12/21/2007 9:16:52 AM PST by Redleg Duke ("All gave some, and some gave all!")
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To: Teacher317

Journalistic malractice is standard opperating procedure in the MSM.

We need a watching the watchmen report on each and every one of those slimes.


41 posted on 12/21/2007 9:17:19 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: BGHater
Times have hanged. When I was in the 6th grade I did a social studies report on WWII campaign in the pacific. My father was in the 1st Marine Division during the war so I brought in some artifacts (souvenirs) he had brought home. These included a Samurai Sword, an inert hand grenade, some inert 50 cal. rounds and some Japanese battle flags. Everyone marveled the souvenirs and I got a very good grade for the report. One teacher even wanted to buy them from me. No way. If something like this was done today the kid, person, whoever, would be hauled away in hand cuffs and labeled a sic maniac.
42 posted on 12/21/2007 9:17:56 AM PST by Wiggins
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To: marron

Exactly right.


43 posted on 12/21/2007 9:19:45 AM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
Animal control will be filing cruelty to animal charges for shooting the pigs with the bb gun.

I agree. I actually know a family that has two pet pigs (pot bellied pigs) and they are very cool pets.

This guy is just a friggin idiot!

44 posted on 12/21/2007 9:22:04 AM PST by technomage (Radical Islam makes me want to go to the bathroom and drop a big mohammed!)
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To: subterfuge

Government schools will now gladly send this poor guy to prison over nothing.

Government schools are evil.


45 posted on 12/21/2007 9:22:27 AM PST by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: subterfuge

What utter Bullshiitte! Hell, we used to inspect each others shotguns in the parking lot after school. Then head out to the rice fields to waste as many water moccasins as we could!
The liberal pukes who run our public schools are causing the wussification of this country.


46 posted on 12/21/2007 9:31:11 AM PST by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: technomage

I was way out in the country doing some work at a house one day and pot bellied pig trotted up and kept me company for the hour I was there. He was as bad as a spoiled dog wanting to be scratched behind his ears and tossing his head at me whenever I stopped.


47 posted on 12/21/2007 9:31:46 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (Global warming is the new Marxism.)
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To: fella

Sheridan .20 Bluestreak is a great backyard rodent controller.


48 posted on 12/21/2007 9:35:55 AM PST by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: fella

Good point. But what do you call it? It ain’t a pistol.


49 posted on 12/21/2007 9:38:41 AM PST by Old Seadog (Inside every old person is a young person saying "WTF happened?".)
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To: BGHater

25 years ago in rural Virginia, when I was in high school, a third of the school was out on the first day of deer season. If you brought a note from your parents, it was an EXCUSED absence! There were guns all over campus, probably 30 or more rifles and shotguns in trucks on any given fall or winter day. And there was never even a hint of a shooting, just a couple of fistfights a year.

}:-)4


50 posted on 12/21/2007 9:40:48 AM PST by Moose4 (Wasting away again in Michaelnifongville.)
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