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Romney never saw father on King march
The Boston Globe ^ | December 21, 2007 | Michael Levenson

Posted on 12/21/2007 9:58:28 AM PST by Josh Painter

Susan Englander, assistant editor of the Martin Luther King Jr. Papers Project at Stanford University, who is editing the King papers from that era, told the Globe yesterday: "I researched this question, and indeed it is untrue that George Romney marched with [Dr.] King."

She said that when he was governor of Michigan, George Romney issued a proclamation in June 1963 in support of King's march in Detroit, but declined to attend, saying he did not participate in political events on Sundays. A New York Times story from the time confirms Englander's account.

A few days after that march, George Romney joined a civil rights march through the Detroit suburb of Grosse Pointe, but King did not attend, Englander said. A report in the New York Times confirms Englander's account of that second march...

Romney has repeated the story of his father marching with King in some of his most prominent presidential campaign appearances, including the "Tonight" show with Jay Leno in May, his address on faith and politics Dec. 6 in Texas, and on NBC's "Meet The Press" on Sunday, when he was questioned about the Mormon Church's ban on full participation by black members. He said that he had cried in his car in 1978 when he heard the ban had ended, and added, "My father marched with Martin Luther King."

Mitt Romney went a step further in a 1978 interview with the Boston Herald. Talking about the Mormon Church and racial discrimination, he said: "My father and I marched with Martin Luther King Jr. through the streets of Detroit."

Yesterday, Romney spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom acknowledged that was not true. "Mitt Romney did not march with Martin Luther King," he said in an e-mail statement to the Globe.

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


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Holy prevarication, Batman! The Mittster is a worse serial liar than even "Cambodia John" Kerry.
1 posted on 12/21/2007 9:58:29 AM PST by Josh Painter
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To: Josh Painter

did you see the video? The dude seriously had a “clinton” moment


2 posted on 12/21/2007 10:01:00 AM PST by spacekicker
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To: Josh Painter

Oh hell. You really can’t trust even the most sincere, heartfelt speech. It is truly amazing the depths these critters will go to while trying to reach the “heights”.


3 posted on 12/21/2007 10:01:25 AM PST by Edgar3 (Steve Spurrier for President!)
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To: Josh Painter

Did the Boston Glob ever run a headline pointing out that Jean Kerry was NOT really Irish as he claimed in the Congressional Record?

Doesn’t excuse Mitt’s claim. Just checking for how much such claims mean to The Boston Glob, a newspaper that ran porn photos as “proof” of US military “rapes” in Iraq.

Also have to ask if the Boston Glob ever pointed out that Bill Clinton COULDN’T have witnessed any black church fires in Arkansas when he grew up.


4 posted on 12/21/2007 10:02:51 AM PST by weegee (If Bill Clinton can sit in on Hillary's Cabinet Meetings then GWBush should ask to get to sit in too)
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To: Edgar3
Oh hell. You really can’t trust even the most sincere, heartfelt speech playing of the "victim card".
5 posted on 12/21/2007 10:04:14 AM PST by kevkrom (All those in favor of Thompson, don't raise your hand.)
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To: Josh Painter
Maybe he saw an episode of this show:


6 posted on 12/21/2007 10:04:43 AM PST by weegee (If Bill Clinton can sit in on Hillary's Cabinet Meetings then GWBush should ask to get to sit in too)
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To: Josh Painter

Even worse, he thinks the Pats may not win the “World Series”. Now if that isn’t a John Kerry moment, I don’t know what is.


7 posted on 12/21/2007 10:06:31 AM PST by Dreagon
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To: Josh Painter
"George Romney joined a civil rights march through the Detroit suburb of Grosse Pointe"

It must of just been like the bridge at Selma. Grosse Pointe, that hotbed of racial tension, poverty and snarling German Shepherds. No doubt, after the successful march, countless Detroit blacks were welcomed with open arms into the now racially pacified Grosse Pointe!(click here)

8 posted on 12/21/2007 10:07:16 AM PST by Leisler (RNC, RINO National Committee. Always was, always will be.)
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To: Josh Painter
I dont know which is worse for our next President.

A slick, telegenic LIAR or a totally naive NITWIT, particularly on complex, dangerous, zero-sum, high stakes foreign relations issues.

Entertaining hopeless , fait 'd accompli thoughts of retiring to a beachside hut in Costa Rica.

9 posted on 12/21/2007 10:07:18 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (HUNTER: SOLID! Tops on: Illegals, Trade, DPRK, Iran/Iraq, Economy, WOT, PRC, Budget, PROLife)
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To: Dreagon
Now if that isn’t a John Kerry moment, I don’t know what is.

That's worse than a Kerry moment, it's up in the Kathleen Kennedy-Townsend territory.

10 posted on 12/21/2007 10:08:00 AM PST by kevkrom (All those in favor of Thompson, don't raise your hand.)
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To: Josh Painter

I’m no Romney fan, but it’s totally believable to me that he simply and sincerely misremembered.


11 posted on 12/21/2007 10:09:00 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: weegee

The Bill Clinton moment on what the meaning of “saw” is was one thing.

Mitt saying on the record, “My father and I marched with Martin Luther King Jr. through the streets of Detroit,” is quite another.

And to have a campaign spokesman acknowledge that the statement was not true is yet another.

If this doesn’t kill Mitt’s campaign, it’s certain to seriously damage it.


12 posted on 12/21/2007 10:10:28 AM PST by Josh Painter ("Managers are people who leaders hire." - Fred Thompson)
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To: Josh Painter

Not even close to the Clintoon.


13 posted on 12/21/2007 10:12:30 AM PST by Parley Baer
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To: Josh Painter
This is nuts. You people are really desperate.

I stood beside Ronald Reagan in his fight against the Evil Empire. Did I really "stand" beside him? No. I saw my parents fight against the evils of communism in their homeland. Did I actually see them do it? No. It is a figure of speech. I saw someone step up to the plate. I saw someone do the right thing. I saw how one person can make a difference. Is this seeing it literally with my own two eyes or seeing it in my mind's eye?

You people cannot be this daft, are you?

I think you better plead the 5th.

14 posted on 12/21/2007 10:12:41 AM PST by redgirlinabluestate (Chuck the Huck - Resist the Rudy -- Unite 4 Mitt --- beat Hillary)
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To: All

I also heard that he drove 30 in a 25 zone and once rode on skates and pulled a girl’s pigtail.
I wonder when this intense scrutiny of Hillary’s record in the MSM will begin?


15 posted on 12/21/2007 10:17:01 AM PST by newnhdad
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To: redgirlinabluestate

What part of “My father and I marched with Martin Luther King Jr. through the streets of Detroit,” was not a lie?


16 posted on 12/21/2007 10:21:37 AM PST by Josh Painter ("Managers are people who leaders hire." - Fred Thompson)
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To: redgirlinabluestate
You really believe that Mitt’s Lie is comparable to your scenario? You Mitt Romney folks are delusional about the guy. He is one of the biggest and most proven liars in Republican politics. He will say anything to gain a vote.

I have no dog in this fight and pray daily for the defeat of all democrats but if we replace them with the same type of political liars what have we gained? Not a damn thing.

Daft? You are a Fool!

17 posted on 12/21/2007 10:22:53 AM PST by liberty or death
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To: liberty or death

You should have taken the 5th. Now you’ve removed all doubt.


18 posted on 12/21/2007 10:23:57 AM PST by redgirlinabluestate (Chuck the Huck - Resist the Rudy -- Unite 4 Mitt --- beat Hillary)
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To: Dreagon

What? Are you serious?


19 posted on 12/21/2007 10:27:05 AM PST by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON - DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: newnhdad

“I wonder when this intense scrutiny of Hillary’s record in the MSM will begin?”

Did you miss the whole Whitewater thing?


20 posted on 12/21/2007 10:28:02 AM PST by Pawtucket Patriot
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To: redgirlinabluestate
This is nuts. You people are really desperate.

The only desperate ones are Romney's spinners, trying to figure out how to "frame" his lie so it isn't really a lie.

Romney easily could have just cited his father's civil rights stand without embellishing it with false details. But he can't help himself, he seems to always add these false details to make the events seem grander. He could have been happy to have seen the LDS allow membership to blacks, but he had to make up a story about being a student who pulled over to the side of the road with tears in his eyes, despite not having been a student for 3 years at the time of the event.

Apparently, he's recovering somewhat, because 19 years ago, he claimed not only to have seen his dad march with King, but to have participated in it himself as well. (The Romney campaign issued a statement today admitting this, at least, was indeed a lie.)

21 posted on 12/21/2007 10:29:21 AM PST by kevkrom (All those in favor of Thompson, don't raise your hand.)
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To: redgirlinabluestate

You surely cannot be defending this lie with that kind of logic.

“Standing with Ronald Reagan in his fight” can truly be considered a figure of speech.

“My father and I marched with Dr King” is far, far, from a figure of speech, and I find your denial very troubling.


22 posted on 12/21/2007 10:29:47 AM PST by Nabber
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To: kevkrom

I saw my father march with MLK is comparable to saying I saw my father fight the fight against the Evil Empire with Ronald Reagan. It is acknowleding that people stood with someone, stood for something etc.... You Mitt-haters will assume the worst in everything Romney though.


23 posted on 12/21/2007 10:33:32 AM PST by redgirlinabluestate (Chuck the Huck - Resist the Rudy -- Unite 4 Mitt --- beat Hillary)
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To: Josh Painter

OK. So now we know that, in 1978, Mitt Romney told someone he and his father marched with MLK.

That goes along with all the other stories, including the Broder book, that put Elder King in a march with MLK.

But we also seem to know that MLK was not in the march that the Elder Romney was in, even though they call it an MLK march.

Since in 1978, Mitt wasn’t running for anything, it seems that even in 1978, he thought MLK was in the march with his dad and him.

Still making the “saw my father” march literally true, but the “with MLK” not literally true, but only true in the sense that you are marching in concert with or in support of MLK.

That use the the word “with” is also common. How many times do candidates tell us to “walk with them”, or “talk with them”, or “join with them”, when they really mean for us to do things on our own that HELP them?

Fred Thompson even asked me to join with him on something. I didn’t think it was a lie.

Mitt’s problem is he COULD have marched with MLK. Since there was the possibility, using the term causes confusion, and he should have been more accurate.

Still, I don’t think something he said in 1978 is really going to be an issue in the campaign.


24 posted on 12/21/2007 10:34:27 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: redgirlinabluestate

hahaha...wow...you are reaching. standing with someone through a period (ie cold war) is far different than a specific action like marching. Mitt lied, he knows he did. It’s just like the life long hunter bit and well everything else he says.


25 posted on 12/21/2007 10:35:10 AM PST by spacekicker
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To: weegee

OMG, Walter Kronkite’s a LIAR. He said I was there, and I wasn’t.

And last night, some guy on Discovery channel said he was going to take me to see something, and when it was done I was still sitting in my chair.


26 posted on 12/21/2007 10:36:09 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: spacekicker

Maybe some research should be done before deciding that someone is lying simply because you don’t support them as a candidate. http://hotair.com/archives/2007/12/20/did-mitts-father-really-march-with-martin-luther-king/


27 posted on 12/21/2007 10:36:18 AM PST by Nicole5
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To: redgirlinabluestate
I saw my father march with MLK is comparable to saying I saw my father fight the fight against the Evil Empire with Ronald Reagan. It is acknowleding that people stood with someone, stood for something etc

No, it was a calcualted lie to make it appear that something happened that actually didn't. And worse, it was an unnecessary and pointless lie, because the truth would have served just as well.

You Mitt-haters will assume the worst in everything Romney though.

Only because he gives us ample ammunition. You Mitt-worshipers will believe any crazy thing that excuses the lies and flip-flops of your "pretty" candidate.

28 posted on 12/21/2007 10:36:41 AM PST by kevkrom (All those in favor of Thompson, don't raise your hand.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Doing?!?!?! Man, I have not heard these types of verbal calisthenics since trying to figure out what “is” means. Being an enabler is not becoming...


29 posted on 12/21/2007 10:37:38 AM PST by Edgar3 (Steve Spurrier for President!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
So now we know that, in 1978, Mitt Romney told someone he and his father marched with MLK.

Just to point out -- his campaign issued a statement admitting that this was a lie.

30 posted on 12/21/2007 10:37:38 AM PST by kevkrom (All those in favor of Thompson, don't raise your hand.)
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To: Josh Painter

OMG! You actually WERE trying to make an issue out of something he said in 1978!!!!

I’m sorry, I thought better of you. Now I’m laughing so hard it’s hard to type.

If I were Josh Painter, I’d make you stop using my name now too. :-)

what’s that I hear now, buzzing in my ear? Gnats.


31 posted on 12/21/2007 10:38:20 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: redgirlinabluestate

“My father and I marched with Martin Luther King Jr. through the streets of Detroit.”

If he was saying it figuratively, he would NOT have added the “through the streets of Detroit” part.

My advice to Mitt? Quit digging. Admit you lied, say you’re sorry, and move on.


32 posted on 12/21/2007 10:40:14 AM PST by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON - DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: redgirlinabluestate
I saw my father march with MLK is comparable to saying I saw my father fight the fight against the Evil Empire with Ronald Reagan. It is acknowleding that people stood with someone, stood for something etc....

"My father and I marched with Martin Luther King Jr. through the streets of Detroit."

How is any part of that metaphorical?

Isn't the answer simply that Mitt was trying to get people to believe that he and his father marched with King through the streets of Detroit?

And isn't the problem that that was untrue?

33 posted on 12/21/2007 10:41:31 AM PST by SpringheelJack
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To: redgirlinabluestate

“My father and I marched with Martin Luther King Jr. through the streets of Detroit.”

...ooops no we didn’t. I meant figuratively.

“Steve King endorsed me. Its exciting.”

...oops no he didnt ..well we thought he did until he didn’t.

“NRA endorsed me while running for governor.”

....oops no they didn’t. well kinda it was an NRA poll which is kinda like getting it.

WAIT...I need to talk to my attorneys I think.

How many strikes does one get? Do you honestly think the Dems will give him a pass for these?


34 posted on 12/21/2007 10:41:40 AM PST by donnab (saving liberal brains...one moron at a time.)
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To: Nabber

I have previously been opposed to Mitt based on his flip flops on issues. (abortion,guns, etc.).
But, now I am beginning to doubt him on character issues. He is showing himself to be nothing more than a power hungry politician that will say anything to make himself sound good to “the people”.
Forgive me for inserting another “bash”, but perhaps his training culminating in his activities as a 19 year old, have become ingrained in his very being. I haven’t seen this as an issue up until now, but it is starting to be quite apparent.
Should he become the nominee, I will have to hold my nose and vote for him. The alternative choice would be suicide.


35 posted on 12/21/2007 10:42:39 AM PST by rickomatic
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To: donnab

Can you provide a link where Romney said that he and his father marched with MLK through the streets of Detroit?


36 posted on 12/21/2007 10:44:34 AM PST by Nicole5
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To: Nicole5

Did you read the article posted here?


37 posted on 12/21/2007 10:46:00 AM PST by donnab (saving liberal brains...one moron at a time.)
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To: Nabber

If it were Mitt’s only whopper, then the figure of speech argument might hold up.

Mitt claimed that he never supported Planned Parenthood, but he was photographed at a 1994 PP fundraiser.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/12/romney-attended.html

He claimed he had been a hunter “all his life,” but it turned out that he had only been hunting twice.

He said that he owned a gun, but it turned out to belong to one of his sons.

In a 2006 interview with RedState.com, Mitt said, “I’ve never called myself pro-choice.” This was after he said in his 2002 acceptance speech, “I respect and will fully protect a woman’s right to choose.”

He told Tim Russert that the NRA had endorsed him in his 2002 gubernatorial race. Turns out they didn’t.

It goes on and on...

I’m sure Mitt doesn’t intend to lie... he just can’t help himself. Hey, isn’t that the definition of a pathological liar?


38 posted on 12/21/2007 10:47:49 AM PST by Josh Painter ("Managers are people who leaders hire." - Fred Thompson)
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To: redgirlinabluestate

You missed the point of this post, Josh is saying that Mitt “lied” in 1978. Yes, he is attacking Mitt for something he did in 1978. I’m not sure but I’m betting there are people reading this thread who weren’t ALIVE in 1978.

I personally think going back more than 12 or so years is just too much, especially after what happened with George Allen last year (not Macaca, but the whole “n-word” stuff).

It’s nice to see the Romney campaign can read, understand, and adjust to new information. Up till a week ago most of us thought Romney had marched with King, now with some digging it appears he marched 6 days later than King because he wouldn’t march on Sunday (I wish more Christians would take the Lord’s day as seriously as Mormons do).

That was when Mitt was a teenager, about 15-16 years old. In 1978 apparently Mitt was asked and incorrectly recounted that MLK was in that march in 1963. (realise that is 15 years after a march where Romney was supposed to march with King but didn’t because of Sunday but marched 6 days later). And it was 11 years after a book was written which said Romney marched with King.

SO after all these years, decades really, of a family having come to believe that their father marched in a protest that MLK marched in, only NOW, in December of 2007, has anybody bothered to do detailed checks, and it turns out the marches were actually 6 days apart.

Of course, that doesn’t change the story’s point, and it doesn’t say anything about anything except that over the years recollections sometimes do not match reality in every detail.

The 1978 quote is decades ago, but reinforces the claim that everybody believed MLK was in that march with Romney in 1963.

BTW, this means there’s a 5th thing that was said about this that was false — the claim that Romney NEVER said anything about this until after his father died.

See, apparently in 1978, while his father was still alive, Romney said his dad and he marched with MLK. Maybe his father isn’t like my father, but if he was, he would have read the article, and if he knew it was wrong, he would have said something.

So that means that by 1978, Elder Romney was probably telling the same story. Not surprising, there’s no evidence he “corrected” the 1967 book that said the same thing.

But it does show that Romney didn’t wait till his father died to say this — a STORY told by mitt-haters because it implies Romney knew it wasn’t true and waited until his father couldn’t correct him.


39 posted on 12/21/2007 10:51:06 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: donnab

And I’m supposed to believe this because it’s “posted” here? I think I’m seeing the pattern, it’s kind of like the libs hating our intelligence community when they say something they don’t like, but loving them when they say Iran stopped it’s nuke program. We all seem to choose what we want to believe.


40 posted on 12/21/2007 10:51:49 AM PST by Nicole5
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To: redgirlinabluestate
This is nuts.

You people are really desperate. I stood beside Ronald Reagan in his fight against the Evil Empire. Did I really "stand" beside him? No. I saw my parents fight against the evils of communism in their homeland. Did I actually see them do it? No. It is a figure of speech. I saw someone step up to the plate. I saw someone do the right thing. I saw how one person can make a difference. Is this seeing it literally with my own two eyes or seeing it in my mind's eye?

You people cannot be this daft, are you?

I think you better plead the 5th.

Thank you, thank you, thank you. This huge flap is totally unbelievable to me. I am getting SO sick of this. It is not Romney that is parsing words it is everyone who is trying to make a story out of it.

41 posted on 12/21/2007 10:52:53 AM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: BibChr

How could he ‘misremember’ himself marching with MLK?


42 posted on 12/21/2007 10:53:24 AM PST by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: Josh Painter
Mitt Romney went a step further in a 1978 interview with the Boston Herald. Talking about the Mormon Church and racial discrimination, he said: "My father and I marched with Martin Luther King Jr.

This marks another error by the mitt-haters.

Earlier, they were claiming that Mitt never said anything about his father marching with King until after his father's death -- implying that he knew it was a lie and waited until his father couldn't correct the story.

Now we see that Mitt told this story decades earlier, while his father was still alive.

And there is no evidence that his father corrected the story -- his father might have well believed the story by that time, and might have been telling it.

When you are 31 years old, and your whole family has the same recollection of something you did when you were 16, it becomes part of your reality.

43 posted on 12/21/2007 10:53:37 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

So if someone tells a lie before a certain date, it’s okay with you? Tell us, what is you cutoff date for lying?


44 posted on 12/21/2007 10:53:38 AM PST by Josh Painter ("Managers are people who leaders hire." - Fred Thompson)
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To: Josh Painter
Him lying is one thing. The fact that he lies all the time is another. But to watch people on a “conservative website” do back flips, cartwheels and twist themselves into retarded pretzels to defend him is absolutely Clintonesque.

I cannot even watch Mitt being interviewed because he instantly reminds of 1992 when I turned on the tube and there was the con artist from Arkansas.

45 posted on 12/21/2007 10:54:18 AM PST by liberty or death
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To: redgirlinabluestate

Good points, great post.


46 posted on 12/21/2007 10:54:58 AM PST by Badeye (The two “no” votes were cast by Ron Paul and leftwing nut Dennis Kucinich.)
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To: trumandogz

Governor Romney Marched In July 1963 In An NAACP-Sponsored March Through Grosse Pointe. “The next couple of NAACP marches into the suburbs were more pleasant. Both Grosse Pointe and Royal Oak Township welcomed the interracial marchers. Close to 500 black and white marchers, including many Grosse Pointers, marched in ‘the Pointes’ that July. Governor George Romney made a surprise appearance in his shirt sleeves and joined the parade leaders.” (Joe T. Darden, Detroit, Race And Uneven Development, 1987, p. 132)


47 posted on 12/21/2007 10:55:03 AM PST by Nicole5
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To: Nicole5
Thanks for the link. It was very funny.

‘We’re tired of Lyndon Baines Johnson,’ Williams said from a pulpit in the Flipper Temple AME Church as Romney sat in a front row pew. ‘Johnson is sending black boys to Vietnam to die for a freedom that never existed,’ Williams said. Pointing to Romney, Williams brought the crowd of 200 to its feet when he said, ‘He may be the fella with a little backbone.’ Williams said Romney could be ‘the next President if he acts right.’ The potential GOP presidential nominee left the rally before it ended.”

Sounds like George got his "I love Blacks Too" ticket punched, and left before anymore brainwashing occurred.

48 posted on 12/21/2007 10:55:58 AM PST by Leisler (RNC, RINO National Committee. Always was, always will be.)
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To: Nicole5

In 1963, George Romney Gave The Keynote Address At The Conference That Sparked The Martin Luther King “Freedom Marches” In Detroit. “The establishment of these human relations groups came in the wake of several major events (besides the embarrassing racist practices of such suburbs as Dearborn), which took place in 1963 and helped galvanize interracial support and cooperation for integrated housing. The first event was the Metropolitan Conference on Open Occupancy held in Detroit in January 1963. The second event was the Martin Luther King ‘Freedom’ March in June of the same year, the spinoffs of which were several Detroit NAACP-sponsored interracial marches into Detroit suburbs to dramatize the need for black housing. … Governor George Romney gave the keynote speech at this conference, in which he pledged to use the power of the state to achieve housing equality in Michigan.” (Joe T. Darden, Detroit, Race And Uneven Development, 1987, p. 132)


49 posted on 12/21/2007 10:56:23 AM PST by Nicole5
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Mitt Romney went a step further in a 1978 interview with the Boston Herald. Talking about the Mormon Church and racial discrimination, he said: "My father and I marched with Martin Luther King Jr. through the streets of Detroit."
50 posted on 12/21/2007 10:56:29 AM PST by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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