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Broken pact; Mexico expected to ban U.S. truck drivers
LAREDO MORNING TIMES ^ | 12/21/2007 | ASHLEY RICHARDS

Posted on 12/21/2007 6:12:50 PM PST by SwinneySwitch

Retaliation is expected by the Mexican government in response to a decision this week by the U.S. Congress to stop the cross-border trucking pilot program for long-haul Mexican transport companies.A provision included in the all-inclusive omnibus spending bill passed Wednesday cuts funding for the pilot program that began in September. It was an attempt to test a stipulation that is required by the North American Free Trade Agreement that has not yet been implemented.

The year-long program planned to allow up to 100 Mexican trucking companies to travel throughout the United States instead of being limited to the 20- to 25-mile border commercial zones. The same number of U.S. trucking companies are allowed, for the first time, to make deliveries throughout Mexico.

During a phone conference Thursday, Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, said he believes that with appropriate safety measures in place to support cross-border trucking, the pilot program was a move toward improving trade and, in turn, the Mexican economy.

"I think we've done ourselves some harm," Cornyn said. "If it's a treaty obligation with the United States, it's the law."

Cornyn said in recent conversations with other officials he has heard that retaliation from Mexico is expected because the United States failed to hold up its end of the bargain.

U.S. Rep. Henry Cuellar, D-Laredo, said this now starts a "pull and tug between the two countries."

"I think if the Mexicans are not allowed to come into the U.S. then I can see definitely the Mexicans are going to do the same to Americans," Cuellar said.

Because of NAFTA, Cuellar said it is a program that must eventually establish permanently.

"A treaty will take precedent to some of the things that Congress might want to do with this," Cuellar said.

Highway safety is the top reason cited by pilot program opponents. When the first Mexican trucks began crossing the border, Teamsters protested in Laredo and elsewhere.

Leslie Miller, spokeswoman for the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, said the organization is "ecstatic" about Congress' decision.

"Personally, I hear from a lot of Teamster truck drivers who view the drivers from Mexico as very unsafe," Miller said. "We don't think the Federal Motor Carriers Safety Administration has the ability right now to make sure that safety is enforced."

The safety administration said when it launched the program all Mexican trucking companies were required to pass rigorous tests, including drug and alcohol tests for drivers. The drivers are also held to the same hours of service standards that U.S. drivers must follow and each truck is inspected when it crosses the border, FMCSA said.

A study completed by the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association, which Miller said has joined with the Teamsters, conducted a study from September 2006 to September 2007, the year preceding the pilot program. The study identified that Mexican trucks had 1,700 safety violations, Miller said.

"We'd like to see NAFTA repealed," Miller said. "Just because we have a so-called agreement doesn't mean that Mexican companies can come to our country and break our law.

"It (NAFTA) has nothing to do with Mexican truck drivers," she added. "In our view, NAFTA isn't about trade. NAFTA's about cheap labor."

According to the Federal Motor Carriers Safety Administration, 55 Mexican trucks from 10 different companies have received clearance to operate in the United States. Four U.S. companies with a total of 41 trucks are cleared to travel into Mexico.

There are dozens more on the list, said Melissa DeLaney, spokeswoman for the FMCSA, but the Mexican companies are first strictly evaluated and must activate insurance through a U.S. carrier.

DeLaney said the department is evaluating the situation for cross-border trucking.

"We're trying to figure out what those next steps will be," DeLaney said.

Cuellar said there may be the potential to "shift dollars around" to continue the program.

"The administration could find another way of doing this," Cuellar said.

If not, cross-border trucking for Mexican companies is at a standstill for a year, he said.

"This is a tactic that they use," Cuellar said. "If the Congress is not happy with something and they can't change the law … they say, ‘OK, the law's there but we're not going to fund it.'"

While Cuellar and Cornyn voted in favor of the omnibus bill, they agreed that with all-inclusive spending legislation, not everything in there is favorable to a single legislator.

"The omnibus had some things in it that I found objectionable," Cornyn said. "But I'm not sure that can ever be the standard by which all appropriations are determined because invariably there's going to be something in an appropriation bill … that is a must-pass bit of legislation."

(Ashley Richards may be reached at 728-2538 or by e-mail at ashley@lmtonline.com)


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; cornyn; immigrantlist; immigration; mexicantrucking; nafta; trucking
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"I think if the Mexicans are not allowed to come into the U.S. then I can see definitely the Mexicans are going to do the same to Americans," Cuellar said.
1 posted on 12/21/2007 6:12:54 PM PST by SwinneySwitch
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To: flattorney; bigjoesaddle; FryingPan101; AnimalLover; backtothestreets; Olephart; pulaskibush; ...

Ping!

If you want on, or off this S. Texas/Mexico ping list, please FReepMail me.


2 posted on 12/21/2007 6:15:23 PM PST by SwinneySwitch (US Constitution Article 4 Section 4..shall protect each of them against Invasion...domestic Violence)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Agree. Let’s cancel their “Get Into The Country FREE’ Card!


3 posted on 12/21/2007 6:16:00 PM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: SwinneySwitch
"I think if the Mexicans are not allowed to come into the U.S. then I can see definitely the Mexicans are going to do the same to Americans," Cuellar said.

Aside from a handfull of owner operators I wish them lots of luck finding American drivers who go to mexico.
4 posted on 12/21/2007 6:16:35 PM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: SwinneySwitch
"We don't think the Federal Motor Carriers Safety Administration has the ability right now to make sure that safety is enforced."

We can't even get an accurate count of who's illegal or not. There is no concerted attempt to prevent entry at this time. How can we possibly monitor the vehicles?
6 posted on 12/21/2007 6:18:18 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: cripplecreek
Aside from a handfull of owner operators

I had heard that JB Hint and Schneider were making regular trips into Mexico...did I miss something ?

7 posted on 12/21/2007 6:22:44 PM PST by StnCldTruth (A gun in your hand is better than a cop on the phone !!!!!)
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To: SwinneySwitch

What else is new?

Lock down the border.


9 posted on 12/21/2007 6:24:40 PM PST by wastedyears ("I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: StnCldTruth

My mother drives for Schneider and she’s telling me right now from my living room that Schneider hasn’t been allowed into mexico for many years. They have a big transfer point in Laredo but the trucks don’t cross the border because they’re too expensive to replace.


10 posted on 12/21/2007 6:28:04 PM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: SwinneySwitch

LOLOLOL I just read the headline to my wife whom has worked the past 30 years for this Nations largest (Non-Union) truckload carrier, and her response still has me laughing.

“HELL...WE DON’T GO DOWN THERE ANYWAY, SO WHAT!”

She went on to say let ‘em ban us, who cares.

One would have to be crazy to risk operating in that country, not only life and limb, but risk of losing assets as well.


11 posted on 12/21/2007 6:30:39 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: StnCldTruth
I had heard that JB Hint and Schneider were making regular trips into Mexico...did I miss something ?

That's got to be more risky than delivering pizzas in the wrong part of town. I suspect Mexican drivers coming north are a lot safer than US drivers going south. I'm talking about their own personal safety.

12 posted on 12/21/2007 6:31:08 PM PST by umgud (no more subprime politicians)
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To: wastedyears

baffles me that we spent so much effort cleaning up Iraq, when we got a major roach pit right in the backyard


13 posted on 12/21/2007 6:32:11 PM PST by KTM rider ( SCOTUS '08 it's more than the oval office this time)
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To: cripplecreek

Schneider hasn’t been allowed into mexico for many years. They have a big transfer point in Laredo but the trucks don’t cross the border because they’re too expensive to replace.”

A family that was working the Baja 1000 as mobile pit crew got pulled over by “official looking dudes” on their way back from Baja. They were driven up into the mountains, left on their own, and their $70,000+++ truck and trailer hasn’t been seen since. They had to walk for hours to get back to the place where they were stopped. Not sure they will ever go to Baja 1000 ever again. Been going for years...


14 posted on 12/21/2007 6:33:18 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: cripplecreek
Aside from a handfull of owner operators I wish them lots of luck finding American drivers who go to mexico.

No prob. Just rull all the drivers SS numbers. Any two or more names that have idential SS numbers would jump at the chance to get a paid trip to their home country with a free pass to get back in the US.

15 posted on 12/21/2007 6:36:27 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: cripplecreek

Too damned dangerous. Insurance won’t cover without a special rider, anyway.


16 posted on 12/21/2007 6:37:10 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: cripplecreek

“Aside from a handfull of owner operators I wish them lots of luck finding American drivers who go to mexico.”

You are so right on cripplecreek, and those O/O’s that do go down there are Mexican’s anyway, so let them pay the bribes and put up with the bandits.


17 posted on 12/21/2007 6:37:27 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: TLI
rull = run

I have no idea how THAT one happened...

18 posted on 12/21/2007 6:38:18 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: cripplecreek
I wish them lots of luck finding American drivers who go to mexico.

My brother in law was a truck driver, he said pretty much the same thing about N.Y.C., that many truckers would not go there.

His own experience there, which I found a bit humorous but he didn't, was that he had to double park for 5 minutes and asked a meter maid if it was ok, she said, sure, go ahead. He went in whereever and came out 5 minutes later to find a very expensive parking ticket on the windshield, his side window was smashed and his brief case was stolen.

19 posted on 12/21/2007 6:38:55 PM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: SwinneySwitch; yorkie; Borax Queen; processing please hold
"I think we've done ourselves some harm," Cornyn said. "If it's a treaty obligation with the United States, it's the law."

But you should know, Cornyn, that NAFTA is NOT a treaty. It was never ratified as a treaty. It is a LAW. And because it's a LAW, and NOT a TREATY, it can be changed quite easily, IF the traitors in congress and senate only had America's interests at heart, rather than your own lined pockets.

20 posted on 12/21/2007 6:39:51 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Graybeard58

Yeah my mother is here for the holiday and we’ve been talking about this. She was telling me about driving through the the Bronx with guys hanging off her truck because she made the mistake of stopping at a red light.


21 posted on 12/21/2007 6:41:21 PM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: cripplecreek

Did they pass that “Temp” service business tax up there yet?

GD what a shape that hussie has made of that state. Sad part is, since construction has collapsed here, I had to take a job running tree harvestor back up in the UP and am only back here in AZ once every two months for a week or so.

Az is a nice place to live as far as the weather goes...at least NW AZ is. But a lot of these people are about the laziest and most ignorant and dumb people I ever saw. Maybe its just the Kingman area..I dunno. They are CHEAP also and will lie at a drop of a hat.


22 posted on 12/21/2007 6:45:03 PM PST by crz
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To: cripplecreek

Thanx...cleared that up. I was OTR for 11 years, doing LTL now so it’s kinda hard to keep up


23 posted on 12/21/2007 6:46:51 PM PST by StnCldTruth (A gun in your hand is better than a cop on the phone !!!!!)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Good. Since they arrest and deport all Americans who illegally enter Mexico then they won’t mind when we return the favor, right?


24 posted on 12/21/2007 6:46:57 PM PST by PeterFinn (A muslim in the White House would be an Obamination.)
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To: cripplecreek

had to have been going to Hunts Point...if so, time to lock and load


25 posted on 12/21/2007 6:48:10 PM PST by StnCldTruth (A gun in your hand is better than a cop on the phone !!!!!)
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To: StnCldTruth

She’s been driving for almost 20 years so she can opt out of a lot of the bad runs if she doesn’t want to make them. She won’t go to Quebec either.


26 posted on 12/21/2007 6:51:28 PM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Inspect all US bound trucks and ban all that do not meet US standards. Mexico needs to send stuff north more than we need to send stuff south.

Build the double fence. Mexico needs to send people north more than we need to send people south.


27 posted on 12/21/2007 6:58:11 PM PST by Mostly_Lurker
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To: SwinneySwitch

What’s ya going to do about that President Bush?


28 posted on 12/21/2007 7:07:06 PM PST by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: freekitty

Calderon hasn’t told him yet.


29 posted on 12/21/2007 7:08:52 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: SwinneySwitch
"We don't think the Federal Motor Carriers Safety Administration has the ability right now to make sure that safety is enforced."

Actually the DOT was prohibited from inspecting the Mexican trucks, some private firm, probably a bud of Jorge's, was suppose to inspect them.

31 posted on 12/21/2007 7:12:25 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: StnCldTruth

Incorrect. JB Hunt has a Hunt De Mexico division but does not allow its American drivers to cross the border.


32 posted on 12/21/2007 7:13:42 PM PST by CARTOUCHE ( The pen is mightier than the sword and so much easier to conceal)
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To: Mostly_Lurker
"ban all those that do not meet US standards"

The arbitration panel, in 2001, said that the US can set standards and exclude any Mexican truck that doesn't meet those standards.

But, the US can't exclude all Mexican trucks only because they are Mexican trucks. Nor can the US set higher standards for Mexican trucks than are set for US trucks.

33 posted on 12/21/2007 7:13:48 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: StnCldTruth
I had heard that JB Hint and Schneider were making regular trips into Mexico...did I miss something ?

Probably a mexican pulling their tailers.

34 posted on 12/21/2007 7:13:48 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Graybeard58
My brother in law was a truck driver, he said pretty much the same thing about N.Y.C., that many truckers would not go there

That is true, and a lot of them don't like Chicago either, low bridges everywhere.

35 posted on 12/21/2007 7:16:53 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: BlueDragon
He's gotta go somewhere...
37 posted on 12/21/2007 7:31:24 PM PST by SeafoodGumbo
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To: SwinneySwitch
I see any disagreement with Mexico at this time as very, very good.

38 posted on 12/21/2007 7:37:22 PM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: SwinneySwitch

John Cornyn has lost all credibility. It is he and Hutchison who conspired with the RATs to gut the border fence funding.


40 posted on 12/21/2007 7:40:32 PM PST by montag813 ("How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!" -Churchill)
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To: org.whodat

“...many truckers would not go there.”

Made a one-time mistake of leaving the trailer door unlocked during an office furniture delivery in Compton, CA, back in the 80’s. We came to find most of the merchandise small enough to carry off was gone and the bums had stolen all the freight blankets.


41 posted on 12/21/2007 7:57:13 PM PST by beelzepug ("Smith & Wesson - don't leave home without it.")
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To: SwinneySwitch

bmflr
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According to Intrade, the winner of the December 12th GOP debate was... Duncan Hunter.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1938773/posts


42 posted on 12/21/2007 7:57:23 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: cripplecreek

“Aside from a handfull of owner operators I wish them lots of luck finding American drivers who go to mexico.”

No kidding. If an American Teamster drove a truck into Mexico, deep into Mexico, does anyone think it would ever come out?


43 posted on 12/21/2007 8:00:10 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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To: kinoxi

I forget the exact numbers but it is something like 400 Mexican companies that want to come up here to 4 American that want to go down. I was in Laredo and was talking to a trucker that was sending his trailer, through Mexican driver, to delivery in Mexico. I told him anything, tires, lights, etc. that were needed would be taken. He was pretty shook up. I am driving a truck because my computer programming job is in China, Vietnam or India. Is it time for another revolution yet? If my job is out sourced again I will push back.


44 posted on 12/21/2007 8:01:54 PM PST by Dean4321
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To: SwinneySwitch

“the pilot program was a move toward improving trade and, in turn, the Mexican economy.”

I see most benefit going to the last three words. Cheap labor and pretty soon “Cheap Truckin’”.

So this is about Mexican truckers bringing in goods from Mexico. I’d like to know how far this might go (if it ever does go). Who’s going to stop Mexican drivers from eventually taking loads from American truck drivers? Who’s going to blame companies for wanting to hire Mexican truck drivers, at the lower wages?

I hope this deal stays stuck.


45 posted on 12/21/2007 8:01:55 PM PST by ExcellenceInAmericacom (Excellence In America)
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To: beelzepug
Compton, CA

Another one of those really nice places, my niece was a trucker for many years. She drove a truck of mine for a good while, I owned a little trucking company, for a while, one of those side things you get involved in.

46 posted on 12/21/2007 8:03:32 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: SwinneySwitch

So does anyone have *any* stories of any US truckers who have started making this Mexico run or is it just smoke and mirrors so far?


47 posted on 12/21/2007 8:03:40 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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To: SwinneySwitch
And why again do we need to let truck drivers from 3rd world countries have free access to our interstate highway system.

We do really dumb things sometimes.

48 posted on 12/21/2007 8:06:09 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland ("We have to drain the swamp" George Bush, September 2001)
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To: SwinneySwitch
"We'd like to see NAFTA repealed," Miller said. "Just because we have a so-called agreement doesn't mean that Mexican companies can come to our country and break our law."

What a xenophobic racist bigot! We welcome illegal Mexican nationals into our country to break our laws and get special treatment. Why can't we do the same for their trucking companies? < / sarcasm >

49 posted on 12/21/2007 8:08:21 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Vigilanteman
I cannot believe that this one was missed so far:

"Because of NAFTA, Cuellar said it is a program that must eventually establish permanently.

"A treaty will take precedent to some of the things that Congress might want to do with this," Cuellar said.

I would like to ask who is in control here? Did we sign away our country for NAFTA? Who is making the laws and rules that we must OBEY these days? I am getting pretty sick of these idiots in DC, What a bunch of jerks.

Not the most educated sounding post, but I am really upset.

50 posted on 12/21/2007 8:17:15 PM PST by Afronaut (Press 2 for English - Thanks Mr. President !)
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