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FBI Prepares Vast Database Of Biometrics
Washington Post ^ | 12/22/07 | Ellen Nakashima

Posted on 12/22/2007 3:29:46 AM PST by xtinct

CLARKSBURG, W. Va. -- The FBI is embarking on a $1 billion effort to build the world's largest computer database of peoples' physical characteristics, a project that would give the government unprecedented abilities to identify individuals in the United States and abroad.

Digital images of faces, fingerprints and palm patterns are already flowing into FBI systems in a climate-controlled, secure basement here. Next month, the FBI intends to award a 10-year contract that would significantly expand the amount and kinds of biometric information it receives. And in the coming years, law enforcement authorities around the world will be able to rely on iris patterns, face-shape data, scars and perhaps even the unique ways people walk and talk, to solve crimes and identify criminals and terrorists. The FBI will also retain, upon request by employers, the fingerprints of employees who have undergone criminal background checks so the employers can be notified if employees have brushes with the law.

"Bigger. Faster. Better. That's the bottom line," said Thomas E. Bush III, assistant director of the FBI's Criminal Justice Information Services Division, which operates the database from its headquarters in the Appalachian foothills.

Highly accurate face-scanning cameras are being developed. (Photos By Bob Shaw For The Washington Post)

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; biometrics; biometricsdatabase; database; everyoneisasuspect; faceyouraccuser; fbi; nannystate
awesome !!! unless you're someone who is criminally inclined...

But scary should Hildabeast be elected president since she already had access to FBI files when Bubba was president

1 posted on 12/22/2007 3:29:48 AM PST by xtinct
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To: xtinct

This last time I had my driver’s license renewed, I was finger printed. Guess I’m now in the Big Brother system.

They’d be better of opening a branch office in Laredo, TX.


2 posted on 12/22/2007 3:39:27 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: xtinct
awesome !!! unless you're someone who is criminally inclined...

You're a good little socialist, aren't you?

3 posted on 12/22/2007 3:41:15 AM PST by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: mtbopfuyn

Those of us who have security clearances or concealed weapons licenses have LONG been in their system.


4 posted on 12/22/2007 3:42:06 AM PST by proudofthesouth (Liberalism IS a mental illness.)
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To: xtinct

This is scary period. Unless you commit a crime the government should have no biometric data on you.


5 posted on 12/22/2007 3:42:51 AM PST by microgood
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To: microgood

One does not have to commit a crime to have biometric data on them - one merely needs to be born in a hospital.


6 posted on 12/22/2007 3:48:19 AM PST by WorkerbeeCitizen (An American Patriot and an anti-Islam kind of fellow - POI)
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To: Glenn

“You’re a good little socialist, aren’t you?”

As am I. I’ve had my Socialist Security card for nearly sixty years, and can be found any time I use it.


7 posted on 12/22/2007 3:59:08 AM PST by toomuchcoffee
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To: xtinct

sigh, it’s scary, period. IF you cannot see why, I see little point in arguing the matter.

Not sure what HRC’s previous FBI file access has to do with the issues involved here, she would have access to this regardless of the prior.


8 posted on 12/22/2007 3:59:53 AM PST by WoofDog123
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To: xtinct
Since we won’t let them microchip us under our skin, (without our permission) this is their answer.
9 posted on 12/22/2007 4:00:27 AM PST by madconserv (Help me I'm lost , I only know who not to vote for...Jesus take the wheel)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen
One does not have to commit a crime to have biometric data on them - one merely needs to be born in a hospital.

I must be getting old. Did not know the government was seizing your DNA when you are born.
10 posted on 12/22/2007 4:31:14 AM PST by microgood
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To: xtinct

http://www.dna.gov


11 posted on 12/22/2007 4:42:02 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: xtinct

Given that the FBI is fraught with politics and incompetence, this development does not please me.


12 posted on 12/22/2007 4:46:19 AM PST by montag813
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To: microgood

When you are born, your footprint is taken and blood is drawn - that data is available to the FBI if they want it.


13 posted on 12/22/2007 4:58:57 AM PST by WorkerbeeCitizen (An American Patriot and an anti-Islam kind of fellow - POI)
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To: microgood
This is scary period. Unless you commit a crime the government should have no biometric data on you.

From the article:

And in the coming years, law enforcement authorities around the world will be able to rely on iris patterns, face-shape data, scars and perhaps even the unique ways people walk and talk, to solve crimes and identify criminals and terrorists.

14 posted on 12/22/2007 5:09:46 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: The_Victor
From the article: And in the coming years, law enforcement authorities around the world will be able to rely on iris patterns, face-shape data, scars and perhaps even the unique ways people walk and talk, to solve crimes and identify criminals and terrorists.

Let us not forget that our Founding Fathers were criminals and terrorists.
15 posted on 12/22/2007 5:14:33 AM PST by BikerJoe
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To: WoofDog123

Well, considering the fact that she blatantly had Craig Livingstone procure the files for her, use them, lie about it, have him lie about it, and God knows what else, and got away with it, I believe the poster was alluding to all that.


16 posted on 12/22/2007 5:19:36 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: BikerJoe; jan in Colorado
Let us not forget that our Founding Fathers were criminals and terrorists.

BUMP!

17 posted on 12/22/2007 5:21:31 AM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: microgood
This is scary period. Unless you commit a crime the government should have no biometric data on you.

They have your photograph from your driver's license already. Same principle, just refined a bit.

18 posted on 12/22/2007 5:33:38 AM PST by TN4Liberty (A liberal is someone who believes Scooter Libby should be in jail and Bill Clinton should not.)
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To: microgood
This is scary period. Unless you commit a crime the government should have no biometric data on you.

Just wait until the Empress Hillary gets hold of this stuff.

19 posted on 12/22/2007 5:54:55 AM PST by montag813
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To: BikerJoe
Let us not forget that our Founding Fathers were criminals and terrorists.

They were and they would be considered the same today.

Every ideal of the Founders has been explicited rejected by our government, now its just a matter of collecting to tools to destroy their creation forever. Soon Americans will not even have the freedom to own a simple light bulb. What a pathetic joke.

20 posted on 12/22/2007 5:56:43 AM PST by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: xtinct

Ducky “ We have one pinky fingerprine and there seems to be a mole under the shredded left ear”

Gibbs “Is that enough to work on Abby or do I need to go the the FBI?”

Ducky “ Jethro! that was unkind. let the girl work a while and then ask the question.”


21 posted on 12/22/2007 5:58:47 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Moveon is not us...... Moveon is the enemy)
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To: xtinct

Can’t help the nature of my question here (been in the computer biz too long, I suppose)......but one HELL of a contract. Wonder who got it? (for the systems, etc.)


22 posted on 12/22/2007 5:59:09 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: xtinct

“awesome !!! unless you’re someone who is criminally inclined...”

Yeah, awesome. Except that in present day America you can turn into a criminal at the stroke of the legislative pen. It seems that more and more activities are being criminalized especially gun ownership.

Lets hear from the statists.


23 posted on 12/22/2007 6:56:37 AM PST by dljordan
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To: xtinct
No doubt former Stasi officers will provide advice on how to collect sweat samples during interrogations.
24 posted on 12/22/2007 7:01:17 AM PST by SubMareener (Become a monthly donor! Free FreeRepublic.com from Quarterly FReepathons!)
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To: xtinct

Shoulder pads and a hoodie, a new fashion and political statement.


25 posted on 12/22/2007 7:31:06 AM PST by live+let_live
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To: xtinct

Index this.

26 posted on 12/22/2007 7:40:34 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Glenn

Are you criminally inclined ? :-)


27 posted on 12/22/2007 7:42:03 AM PST by verity ("Lord, what fools these mortals be!")
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To: verity
Are you criminally inclined ? :-)

Only at moments like these.

28 posted on 12/22/2007 7:50:37 AM PST by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: The_Victor

They mean they’ll be able to identify people who are carrying a concealed weapon, and take them off the streets (vaporize) them before they have the chance to take down a criminal.


29 posted on 12/22/2007 8:14:40 AM PST by wastedyears ("I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: wastedyears
They mean they’ll be able to identify people who are carrying a concealed weapon, and take them off the streets (vaporize) them before they have the chance to take down a criminal.

You credit our government with a level of capability and competency they don't have.

30 posted on 12/22/2007 8:36:32 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: The_Victor

Better paranoid than complicit.


31 posted on 12/22/2007 8:52:51 AM PST by wastedyears ("I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: RightOnline
Northrop Grumman?
32 posted on 12/22/2007 9:51:39 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Civilian Irregular Information Defense Group http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com)
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To: xtinct

What type of crime?

Conservativism will be outlawed in due course. It is the whole of Political Correctness. You cannot debate the topic of Global Warming anymore. As RFK Jr. has said, you are a TRAITOR if you deny the reality of man made global warming.

If you use a 5 gallon toilet, you are a criminal.
If you use incandescent lightbulbs, you are a criminal.
If you use freon, you are a criminal.
Better not get caught smuggling any of this contraband across the border (but those who illegally cross the border and steal someone else’s identity are NOT criminals, they are doing the best they can to get a better life for their children).

We can have a heavy duty database on every citizen even if his actions are not criminal yet but we CANNOT have a photo ID card for voting.

Our nation is f&&&ed.


33 posted on 12/22/2007 10:21:28 AM PST by weegee (If Bill Clinton can sit in on Hillary's Cabinet Meetings then GWBush should ask to get to sit in too)
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To: SubMareener

No need to collect sweat, they can just roll a cotton swab in your mouth for a DNA sample.


34 posted on 12/22/2007 10:23:01 AM PST by weegee (If Bill Clinton can sit in on Hillary's Cabinet Meetings then GWBush should ask to get to sit in too)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

BUMP, and expect them to start collecting more information sooner than later.


35 posted on 12/22/2007 10:24:01 AM PST by weegee (If Bill Clinton can sit in on Hillary's Cabinet Meetings then GWBush should ask to get to sit in too)
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To: xtinct

$1 billion won’t get it done.


36 posted on 12/22/2007 10:25:58 AM PST by RightWhale (Dean Koonz is good, but my favorite authors are Dun and Bradstreet)
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To: WoofDog123

I like to point out that it was criminal for Hillary to have those FBI files. For those who always point out potential for ABUSE of new “security” laws, those who most want to abuse the populice don’t care about law and will do what they want regardless.


37 posted on 12/22/2007 10:26:43 AM PST by weegee (If Bill Clinton can sit in on Hillary's Cabinet Meetings then GWBush should ask to get to sit in too)
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To: weegee
400 high-ranking scientists have proven that man has NOT caused global warming

Sun is responsible for climate changes.

Many times over the years (centuries) the earth and water have warmed and cooled.

Richard Siegmund Lindzen, Ph.D., is a Harvard trained atmospheric physicist and the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. See what he wrote here: Climate of Fear: Global-warming alarmists intimidate dissenting scientists into silence.

And if that's not enough for you Dr. Lindzen and I conversed in early 2006 --> agreeing that whenever the liberals and eco-terrorists get on their soap box for one reason or another --> one can be sure that citizens will be taxed or businesses will spring up around their claims...e.g. movies, books, etc.

And, check this out:

How many people know NBC, is owned by General Electric ,,,, the 2nd largest company in the WORLD!! Also G-E demanded all shows re write the scripts of every show they produce to include gloom and doom over Global Warming, Why would they do that you ask ,,,,. Because G-E has already invested 1.5 BILLION in new energy sources and most importantly Carbon Coupons that any Co. not up to date or in compliance with (as of yet) unwritten legislation, will be forced to purchase these coupons as like a fine. G-E will have a return of over 20 billion if this happens. What is keeping it from happening?? ,,,,, We the people are not scared enough yet to force the Senate to create the laws,,,,,,,,,,,, Do You Get the PICTURE ???

38 posted on 12/22/2007 10:51:45 AM PST by xtinct (I was the next door neighbor kid's imaginary friend.)
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To: The_Victor

>>to solve crimes and identify criminals and terrorists.

Like violators of SB777 who said “mom” or “dad” in the California Public School system?

Doubleplussungood. Take them away to room 201!


39 posted on 12/22/2007 11:29:02 AM PST by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: xtinct
[Do You Get the PICTURE ???]
 
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
 
 
Got Shock and Awe?

40 posted on 12/22/2007 11:33:46 AM PST by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: xtinct
If you're an alien present in this country legally or illegally or if you've been convicted of certain types of crimes (perhaps felonies rather than misdemeanors) I have no problem with this.But I think it *stinks* to include people who fall into neither category.
41 posted on 12/22/2007 11:53:50 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Wanna see how bad it can get? Elect Hillary and find out.)
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To: Glenn
SmileyCentral.com
42 posted on 12/22/2007 12:26:20 PM PST by verity ("Lord, what fools these mortals be!")
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To: montag813

For now, it is merely a collection of data, but later, technology will allow this data to be manufactured, such that it can be planted “proof” that someone did something.

We are all screwed when that happens.

You need just one Bill Clinton or Hillary to insure the bad guys are all conservatives.


43 posted on 12/22/2007 1:05:35 PM PST by ConservativeMind
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To: weegee
If you use a 5 gallon toilet, you are a criminal.
If you use incandescent lightbulbs, you are a criminal.
If you use freon, you are a criminal.

Oh boy I have all of those. I even have a non-restricted shower head.

44 posted on 12/22/2007 2:25:59 PM PST by Domandred (Eagles soar, but unfortunately weasels never get sucked into jet engines)
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To: TN4Liberty
They have your photograph from your driver's license already. Same principle, just refined a bit.

Good description of the slippery slope.

45 posted on 12/22/2007 2:32:36 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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To: Domandred
I even have a non-restricted shower head.

I further derestricted mine by drilling out the holes.

And I keep my R-12 hidden like it was filled with gold coins.

46 posted on 12/22/2007 2:35:45 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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To: steve86
I can't believe this hasn't been posted yet:

Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (666)

I'm not an "end of times" person, but this is downright eerie.

47 posted on 12/22/2007 3:04:05 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (I SAW it with my own eyes...figuratively. Mitt Romney)
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To: dljordan
Lets hear from the statists.

You'll be hearing from about 80% of FR.

48 posted on 12/22/2007 3:07:56 PM PST by darkangel82 (And the band played on....)
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To: Alas Babylon!; weegee

both of you make fair points, I guess my point is that giving any autocrat that kind of power is scary no matter what.

The FBI files just confirm what her other actions show, which is that she will use any tools she has for suppression of domestic political opponents. Even if that had not happened I would be scared of giving that kind of power to her.


49 posted on 12/22/2007 3:15:15 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: darkangel82

“You’ll be hearing from about 80% of FR.”

Oh I don’t know, maybe 50%. There seem to be some pretty freedom loving individuals here but I have been called to task rather sternly recently for suggesting that the government was corrupt. Now THAT’S delusion!


50 posted on 12/22/2007 4:36:24 PM PST by dljordan
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