Posted on 12/22/2007 6:28:02 AM PST by lowbridge
Sen. Charles Schumer and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy's previously stalled bill toughening the national gun background check system in the wake of the Virginia Tech shootings sailed through both chambers of Congress within hours yesterday after a flurry of legislative activity.
"I don't know whether to laugh or to cry," said McCarthy (D-Mineola), who saw her legislation pass the House in June only to have it blocked in the Senate. "You don't know how many times it's come to this point."
In a statement, Schumer (D-N.Y.) said, "This simple but very important bill has been a long time coming. It will prevent gun sales to people who have no right to own one because of mental infirmity. This legislation will save lives."
(Excerpt) Read more at newsday.com ...
NRA = Negotiating Rights Away
But the NRA was supporting the House passed version. Now they tout the improvements. From what they say about "addressing the concerns" of Senator Coburn, and the fact that Coburn is mentioned on the GOA site well before the improvements were made, I wonder how much, if any of the improvements were at the NRA's behest, and how many were due to the GOA, and all the folks who pinged their Senators on the issue?
Oh please, he has cowered Congress. Don’t you know anything? /s
Just ask the folks who expected to see a border fence built. They’ll vouch for this. /s
FMCDH(BITS)
The NRA supported the 1934 and 1968 victim disarmament acts. IIRC, they also supported the '86 one, though I could be wrong about that.
This one will do as well I suppose.
Exactly who is "representing" us if legislation can be passed which can be attributed to virtually no one but its author and its cosponsors? It is troubling that no other representatives or senators can be held accountable for this legislation.
For record, the House co-sponsors were:
Rep Bishop, Timothy H. [NY-1] - 6/11/2007
Rep Boucher, Rick [VA-9] - 6/11/2007
Rep Capps, Lois [CA-23] - 6/11/2007
Rep Castle, Michael N. [DE] - 6/11/2007
Rep Christensen, Donna M. [VI] - 6/13/2007
Rep Dingell, John D. [MI-15] - 6/11/2007
Rep Emanuel, Rahm [IL-5] - 6/11/2007
Rep Lowey, Nita M. [NY-18] - 6/11/2007
Rep Moore, Dennis [KS-3] - 6/11/2007
Rep Moran, James P. [VA-8] - 6/11/2007
Rep Pascrell, Bill, Jr. [NJ-8] - 6/11/2007
Rep Ross, Mike [AR-4] - 6/13/2007
Rep Schakowsky, Janice D. [IL-9] - 6/11/2007
Rep Shays, Christopher [CT-4] - 6/11/2007
Rep Sherman, Brad [CA-27] - 6/12/2007
Rep Smith, Lamar [TX-21] - 6/11/2007
Rep Wasserman Schultz, Debbie [FL-20] - 6/11/2007
In the Senate, it is clear that Senator Leahy and Senator Schumer, who authored the Senate amendment, can also be held responsible for this bill.
How many Iraq and Afghanistan vets, who ever had PTSD counseling?
MINUTE MEN of America
NRA of America
We want to know.....what are you waiting for?
Your endorsements could make the difference in the upcoming elections. If you haven't noticed, you have the perfect candidate in the race. The future of stopping illegal immigration and the individuals right to bear arms are at stake. Failure to give your support to the right person could cost all freedom loving Americans dearly. Your members want you to endorse a person that will stop illegal immigration and secure our rights to bear arms. A true conservative is the only choice, no liberal republicans or democrats need apply.
Call your NRA headquarters / Minute Men headquarters today and voice your opinion. I did.
"When I am president, I will build a fence."
"My idea of gun control is a good, steady aim."
How many Iraq and Afghanistan vets, who ever had PTSD counseling?
None, I hope, unless they have been adjudicated as a threat to themselves or others. In NY it takes two physicians, IIRC. It's called 2PC for two physician commitment. The first physician is the ER doc usually after the cops bring in a disturbed person for evaluation. The shrink gets a call to do the ER consult and verifies that the person is a threat to themselves or others. I believe submitting the commitment papers to a judge is just a formality.
About the only way to appeal that I see is that the diagnosis was missed, i.e. the person was delirious from another organic diagnosis, e.g. brain tumor, poisoned, accidental overdose, hypothyroid, etc., when the person stated that he or she wanted to kill themselves or others.
Brought to you by upChuckie Schumer, and the NRA.
If all 80 million gunowners joined the NRA, we wouldn’t have any gun rights at all.
The NRA has consistently worked to undermine the gun rights of the common man.
If all 80 million gunowners joined the GOA, we wouldn’t have gun grabbers in congress at all.
You just aren’t that bright, are you.
The anti’s reaction:
Violence Policy Center starts losing it on NICS bill
Posted by David Hardy · 20 December 2007 09:51 AM
http://armsandthelaw.com/
Josh Sugarman, head of VPC, posts under the title of Trojan Horse Gun Control: The NRA Wins on the NICS Bill:
“Much has been made of the bill’s bi-partisan, triangulating support: Democrats! Republicans! The National Rifle Association! The Brady Campaign! Beyond this cheery bon temps, little public attention has been paid to what the bill actually does beyond its title. And that’s because if you start looking at the details of the bill—especially after NRA-backed changes made by Oklahoma Senator Tom Coburn—it becomes clear that the measure is nothing less than a pro-gun Trojan Horse. That’s why my organization, the Violence Policy Center, and other national gun control groups, have voiced their strong concerns about the version of the bill that was passed by Congress.”
“So why’s the NRA so in thrall with an alleged gun control bill? Here are some of the reasons why.
“The bill would resuscitate a failed government program that spent millions of dollars annually to allow persons prohibited from buying guns to regain the ability to legally acquire firearms. The Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) would be required to establish a “relief from disability” program to allow persons now prohibited from possessing a firearm because they have “been adjudicated as a mental defective” or “committed to a mental institution” to apply to have their bar on firearms possession removed. As a result of the bill, more than 116,000 individuals would be eligible to apply. States would also be required to establish such “relief” programs to restore the gun privileges of those with mental health disabilities in order to be eligible for potential grant money to upgrade records submitted to the NICS.”
“Once a solution, the bill—hijacked by the gun lobby—is now part of the problem. Intended as Congress’ response to the mass shooting at Virginia Tech by focusing on improving the current laws prohibiting people with certain mental health disabilities from buying guns, the bill is now nothing more than a gun lobby wish list. It will waste millions of taxpayer dollars restoring the gun privileges of persons previously determined to present a danger to themselves or others.”
And of course, the obligatory hit at those who... shudder... have served their country:
“The concerns over these aspects of the bill are not abstract. According to research published earlier this year, male U.S. veterans are twice as likely to commit suicide as men with no military service and are more likely to kill themselves with a gun than others who commit suicide. .... Veterans with mental health problems may present special risks for gun violence. In 2000, the New York Times examined 100 rampage shootings and found that the majority (52 percent) of such killers had been in the military.”
Hmm... Cho, the Columbine killers, others ... I can’t recall a vet among them. Discipline and duty are not things that a violent narcissist seeks out.
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