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Arizona crackdown driving out illegal immigrants
Associated Press ^ | AMANDA LEE MYERS

Posted on 12/22/2007 10:07:48 AM PST by Dubya

PHOENIX — Illegal immigrants in Arizona, frustrated with a flagging economy and tough new legislation cracking down on their employers, are returning to their home countries or trying their luck in other states.

For months, immigrants have taken a wait-and-see attitude toward the state's new employer-sanctions law, which takes effect Jan. 1. The voter-approved legislation is an attempt to lessen the economic incentive for illegal immigrants in Arizona, the busiest crossing point along the U.S.-Mexico border.

And by all appearances, it's starting to work.

"People are calling me telling me about their friend, their cousin, their neighbors — they're moving back to Mexico," said Magdalena Schwartz, an immigrant-rights activist and pastor at a Mesa church. "They don't want to live in fear, in terror."

Martin Herrera, a 40-year-old illegal immigrant and masonry worker who lives in Camp Verde, 70 miles north of Phoenix, said he is planning to return to Mexico as soon as he ties up loose ends after living here for four years.

"I don't want to live here because of the new law and the oppressive environment," he said. "I'll be better in my country."

He called the employer-sanctions law "absurd."

"Everybody here, legally or illegally, we are part of a motor that makes this country run," Herrera said. "Once we leave, the motor is going to start to slow down."

There's no way to know how many illegal immigrants are leaving Arizona, especially now with many returning home for normal holidays visits. But economists, immigration lawyers and people who work in the immigrant community agree it's happening.

State Rep. Russell Pearce of Mesa, the author of the employer sanctions law, said his intent was to drive illegal immigrants out of Arizona.

"I'm hoping they will self-deport," Pearce said. "They broke the law. They're criminals."

Under the employer sanctions law, businesses found to have knowingly hired illegal workers will be subject to sanctions from probation to a 10-day suspension of their business licenses. A second violation would bring permanent revocation of the license.

Nancy-Jo Merritt, an immigration lawyer who primarily represents employers, said her clients already have started to fire workers who can't prove they are in the country legally.

"Workers are being fired, of course," she said. "Nobody wants to find out later on that they've got somebody working for them who's not here legally."

When immigrants don't have jobs, they don't stick around, said Dawn McLaren, a research economist at Arizona State University who specializes in illegal immigration.

She said the flagging economy, particularly in the construction industry, also is contributing to an immigrant exodus.

"As the jobs dwindle and the environment becomes more unpleasant in more ways than one, you then decide what to do, and perhaps leaving looks like a good idea," she said. "And certainly that creates a problem, because as people leave, they take the jobs they created with them."

Pearce disagreed that the Arizona economy will suffer after illegal immigrants leave, saying there will be less crime, lower taxes, less congestion, smaller classroom sizes and shorter lines in emergency rooms.

"We have a free market. It'll adjust," he said. "Americans will be much better off."

He said he's not surprised illegal immigrants are leaving the state and predicts that more will go once the employer-sanctions law takes effect next month.

"It's attrition by enforcement," he said. "As you make this an unfriendly state for lawbreakers, I'm hoping they will pick up and leave."


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State Rep. Russell Pearce of Mesa, the author of the employer sanctions law, said his intent was to drive illegal immigrants out of Arizona.

"I'm hoping they will self-deport," Pearce said. "They broke the law. They're criminals."

1 posted on 12/22/2007 10:07:49 AM PST by Dubya
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2 posted on 12/22/2007 10:08:48 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: Dubya

Why isn’t our country running on the LAWS we already have?

Does each state have to do this...one by one?


3 posted on 12/22/2007 10:12:03 AM PST by Rick_Michael (The Anti-Federalists failed....so will the Anti-Frederalists)
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To: Dubya

“I don’t want to live here because of the new law and the oppressive environment,” he said. “I’ll be better in my country.”

Music to our ears. Looks like a few politicians also have hearing capability.


4 posted on 12/22/2007 10:12:33 AM PST by wolfcreek (The Status Quo Sucks!)
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To: gubamyster

This will be a boon for the constituants of Congressperson Waters. The jobless blacks of Southern California can reap the job bonanza in Arizona. As the Mexicans leave, the jobless of her district will surely rush to fill the vacuum.


5 posted on 12/22/2007 10:12:47 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Moveon is not us...... Moveon is the enemy)
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To: Dubya

Good riddance.


6 posted on 12/22/2007 10:17:26 AM PST by dadgum (Ibrahim Hooper is a closet transvestite)
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To: Dubya

“-———————or trying their luck in other states. “


There’s the bad news !


7 posted on 12/22/2007 10:18:20 AM PST by Mears
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To: Dubya

Arizona is a good place to try this experiment. Business is to illegal aliens what drug dealers are to addicts. You always get better results when you catch the drug dealer. If successful Arizonans will have more jobs, less crime, shorter hospital lines, a reduction of welfare recipients, more room in schools, English only in schools, and that warm fuzzy feeling that comes with the resolution of all your problems. If unsuccessful, Arizona will become a sandbox with a lot of empty taco bells.


8 posted on 12/22/2007 10:22:51 AM PST by californio (Coast Guard Vet/ 211 Dick "your papers please")
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To: Dubya

Of course, Bill O’Reilly tells us we can’t send them home...


9 posted on 12/22/2007 10:24:17 AM PST by DesScorp
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To: bert

I’d bet the farm not too many.


10 posted on 12/22/2007 10:25:42 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Dubya

” ... because as people leave, they take the jobs they created with them.”

Complete and utter horse squeeze. Illegals don’t ‘create jobs’. They TAKE jobs from hard working and skilled Americans. What they DO create is overcrowding, high healthcare costs, higher taxes for education and incarceration and a lawless subculture that totally undermines the Rule of Law.


11 posted on 12/22/2007 10:26:01 AM PST by navyguy (Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue.)
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To: Dubya

Seems it’s working everywhere it’s tried.


12 posted on 12/22/2007 10:26:14 AM PST by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served,to keep us free)
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To: Dubya
Illegal immigrants in Arizona, frustrated with a flagging economy and tough new legislation cracking down on their employers, are returning to their home countries or trying their luck in other states.

I think we should all pitch in to help buy them bus tickets to Massachusetts.

13 posted on 12/22/2007 10:30:46 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (Real men don't vote Democrat.)
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To: mdittmar

Yeah, but I hope nobody tells President Bush.


14 posted on 12/22/2007 10:31:53 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: Dubya

There’s no way to know how many illegal immigrants are leaving Arizona, especially now with many returning home for normal holidays visits. But economists, immigration lawyers and people who work in the immigrant community agree it’s happening

And the Problem is?????


15 posted on 12/22/2007 10:34:10 AM PST by bikerman (_ _ . /_ _ _ /_ . . / / . . . . / . / . _ . . / . _ _ . / / . . _ / . . . //)
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To: Dubya
Martin Herrera, a 40-year-old illegal immigrant... "I'll be better in my country."

That's sort of the point. Go with God Martin and good luck.

16 posted on 12/22/2007 10:34:17 AM PST by InABunkerUnderSF ("Gun Control" is not about the guns. "Illegal Immigration" is not about the immigration)
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To: Dubya
Martin Herrera, a 40-year-old illegal immigrant and masonry worker ..... "we are part of a motor that makes this country run," Herrera said. "Once we leave, the motor is going to start to slow down."

Mr. Herrera is part of an illegal peasant labor invasion that has caused unskilled and semi-skilled wage rates to drop 40 to 60 percent since 1977. (normalized to the CPI, the Average Wage Rate, or the Annual Inflation Rate).

17 posted on 12/22/2007 10:37:43 AM PST by angkor ("We are not very many mistakes away from a second Holocaust." Newt Gingrich, Nov 15 2007)
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To: angkor

When (illegal) immigrants don’t have illegal) jobs, they don’t stick around, said Dawn McLaren, a research economist at Arizona State University who specializes in illegal immigration.
Now let’s address Legal immigrants who don’t have jobs!


18 posted on 12/22/2007 10:48:08 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Dubya
"Everybody here, legally or illegally, we are part of a motor that makes this country run," Herrera said. "Once we leave, the motor is going to start to slow down."

Jose, you and your twenty million amigos are no Hank Rearden.

19 posted on 12/22/2007 10:48:27 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: jiggyboy

“your twenty million amigos are no Hank Rearden.”

They weren’t in their own country, either.


20 posted on 12/22/2007 10:49:53 AM PST by Rick_Michael (The Anti-Federalists failed....so will the Anti-Frederalists)
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To: Dubya

Get those doggies rollin
Head ‘em up!
Move ‘em out!

RAWHIDE!!!


21 posted on 12/22/2007 10:53:06 AM PST by dennisw (`)
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To: Dubya

I think the self deportation thing is key, when people say that we can’t deport 30 million people they fail to understand that if we make things uncomfortable enough for these drunken pedophiles they will decide it is better to go back to their country than to stay in ours.


22 posted on 12/22/2007 10:54:22 AM PST by bigjackattack
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

Vaya con Dios Martin and be sure to GTFO!


23 posted on 12/22/2007 10:54:36 AM PST by dennisw (`)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Whoa, whoa, I live in NH—no need to punish us, too!


24 posted on 12/22/2007 10:55:35 AM PST by ECM (Government is a make-work program for lawyers.)
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To: Dubya
"Everybody here, legally or illegally, we are part of a motor that makes this country run," Herrera said. "Once we leave, the motor is going to start to slow down."

Doesn't Mexico have a motor?

25 posted on 12/22/2007 10:55:53 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: iopscusa
Now let’s address Legal immigrants who don’t have jobs!

Or citizens that don't have jobs.

My son went from making $25.00 an hour to making minimum wage, 20 hours a week. He would be thrilled to have one of the jobs that an illegal has.

I process rental applications, many of the applicants are illegal. Their salaries range from $8.00 to $20.00 an hour.

26 posted on 12/22/2007 10:56:23 AM PST by muggs
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To: Dubya

Gee, I wish Texas would do this.


27 posted on 12/22/2007 10:57:04 AM PST by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: Dubya

“They don’t want to live in fear, in terror.”

Well, that’s certainly over the top. I suppose entering a country illegally; being paid for jobs that are illegally handed to them; getting free benefits is terror and fear to them.

What planet did this woman step off of?


28 posted on 12/22/2007 10:59:14 AM PST by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: ECM
Whoa, whoa, I live in NH—no need to punish us, too!

Perhaps I should limit it to parts of Boston, and the Kennedy compound in Hyannis Port! :0)

29 posted on 12/22/2007 11:05:28 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (Real men don't vote Democrat.)
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To: Dubya
"People are calling me telling me about their friend, their cousin, their neighbors -- they're moving back to Mexico,"
And yet Arizona's favorite senator keeps telling us that we're stuck with them, and that's why we have to accommodate them. Apparently not.
 
30 posted on 12/22/2007 11:06:09 AM PST by counterpunch (Get Up And Go Fred Go Already!)
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To: californio

“If unsuccessful, Arizona will become a sandbox with a lot of empty taco bells.”

By what process would that happen?


31 posted on 12/22/2007 11:06:39 AM PST by Magic Fingers
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To: Dubya

Mexico has harsher immigration and foreign worker laws than America does, Pedro.

It is good that illegal aliens are realizing they are better off in their own country, even though they don’t seem to care they are breaking the laws of the country they are illegally in.

However, I doubt that most are going back to Mexico. I would think they are going to different states for another shot before thinking about calling it quits. I believe this is a smoke screen piece to make people think the vast majority are leaving, but they are really trying to go underground by putting out these stories, and just moving to a different part of the country.


32 posted on 12/22/2007 11:09:43 AM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: Dubya

Well, bye.


33 posted on 12/22/2007 11:11:15 AM PST by WorkerbeeCitizen (An American Patriot and an anti-Islam kind of fellow - POI)
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To: muggs
many of the applicants are illegal

How many have you dropped a dime to ICE on?

34 posted on 12/22/2007 11:11:41 AM PST by ASA Vet (Is Huma Halaal? Does Hillary share her with Bill?)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I think you’re right. I wouldn’t start the celebration just yet.


35 posted on 12/22/2007 11:15:12 AM PST by WildcatClan (Vote Hunter for President)
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To: Cowboy Bob

That’s a plan I can get behind!


36 posted on 12/22/2007 11:17:20 AM PST by ECM (Government is a make-work program for lawyers.)
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To: Dubya
"Everybody here, legally or illegally, we are part of a motor that makes this country run," Herrera said. "Once we leave, the motor is going to start to slow down."

What does it say about Herrera that he abandoned his own country's motor? Seems like it could use a little speeding up.

I think America's motor can handle any blip created by his return to his own country. If the need arises, we can increase legal immigration. Of course, Herrera should be moved to the back of the line for breaking our country's laws. The 12 million remaining can get behind him.

37 posted on 12/22/2007 11:28:07 AM PST by HundredDollars
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To: Dubya

38 posted on 12/22/2007 11:30:52 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Dubya

To Martin Herrera let me just say, Montana sucks worse than you can possibly imagine.


39 posted on 12/22/2007 11:34:23 AM PST by claudiustg (You know it. I know it.)
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To: Dubya

The trend is growing. Keep the pressure on and drive out the criminals!


40 posted on 12/22/2007 11:35:33 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! Duncan Hunter is a Cosponsor.)
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To: Dubya
or trying their luck in other states.

They should try California.

41 posted on 12/22/2007 11:35:36 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Magic Fingers

I’m saying business could be driven out of state. I’m not saying it’s going to happen. I’m just saying it is one of the possibilities. The other issue is that Illegals don’t have a legal stance from which to defend their position. Big business, however, is going to fight this tooth and nail. They’re the ones that pump lobbying money into our politicians. I couldn’t help but notice that almost all the conservative candidates seem a bit squeamish on immigration.


42 posted on 12/22/2007 11:46:45 AM PST by californio (Coast Guard Vet/ 211 Dick "your papers please")
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To: Lancey Howard

I am surprised my Mexican mayor here in Los Angeles has not publicly invited them yet. Mexicans from Arizona could take all the jobs the Mexicans from L.A. won’t do.


43 posted on 12/22/2007 11:47:09 AM PST by Haddit (Hunter is still the Best)
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To: Dubya

BTW, sheriff Joe Arpaio of Arizona joined Mitt Romney’s team back in February.


44 posted on 12/22/2007 11:49:26 AM PST by SHEENA26
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To: Dubya
BUMP FOR Rep. Pearce!

"Pearce disagreed that the Arizona economy will suffer after illegal immigrants leave, saying there will be less crime, lower taxes, less congestion, smaller classroom sizes and shorter lines in emergency rooms.

"We have a free market. It'll adjust," he said. "Americans will be much better off."

He said he's not surprised illegal immigrants are leaving the state and predicts that more will go once the employer-sanctions law takes effect next month.

"It's attrition by enforcement," he said. "As you make this an unfriendly state for lawbreakers, I'm hoping they will pick up and leave."

Pearce, Hunter, Tancredo etc are all vindicated in spades here. But the corrupt open border lobby, such as John McCain and President Bush...and their liberal RAT accomplices... will never admit they were wrong or that the hysteria and febrile arguments they made were KNOWINGLY WRONG.

The American people of course already know that they won't be hearing any apologies from these charlatans.

They know why these corrupteds were so keen to immediately confer legal status on the law-breaking aliens.

And the people want their country back.


45 posted on 12/22/2007 11:49:56 AM PST by Paul Ross (Dear Mary LaRonald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: muggs

You’re right about addressing any and all unemployed or underemloyed citizens especially including any that receive any FREE (taxpayer subsidized) benefits.


46 posted on 12/22/2007 11:51:52 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Dubya
Image hosted by Photobucket.com He called the employer-sanctions law "absurd."

but it made HIS azz move back down mexco way didn't it... 8^)

47 posted on 12/22/2007 11:52:43 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist)
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To: Dubya

Speaking of illegal immigration:
http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=6193

Arizona is one of the states where the housing bubble has been a major factor driving residential over-building. There has been a cushion in the loss of construction jobs, now that the bubble is burst, because so many of the laid off construction workers were illegal aliens. If there is indeed a mass exodus of illegals from AZ, however, this will further depress the demand for housing services, which will make the downturn more severe, and longer lasting.

The upside to this, of course (unless you happen to be an owner-occupant resident of AZ), is that housing will be cheaper for new-comers.


48 posted on 12/22/2007 11:54:46 AM PST by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: californio; pissant; Calpernia; AuntB; DoughtyOne
I'm saying business could be driven out of state.

Echoing the position of the illegal in the article.

Before acceding to the merit of that argument, we need to remember we can always let people in LEGALLY.

And How many times have we had to listen to the lame assertions of the open border lobby saying that this was "impossible."...ignoring that it was already doable as...Mexico proved. Or that the consequences would be too catastrophic for business. Look at Bush with his bogus "willing worker and willing employer, for work Americans don't want to do" insult to the U.S. citizens.

As for the "motor running down argument", frankly, I am not going to listen to the economics argument of a criminal. First they don't care particularly about our welfare. Their self interest is paramount. Second, their mutuality argument is rather suspect, since they probably have no understanding of what their depressing low-end and trade wages has done negatively to our lower middle class and the economy...with their penchant for shipping vast sums to Mexico....which then orders consumer goods from China...not the U.S.

They need to go home and fix their OWN motor. Mexico should not be looking to the US for a safety valve. They need to set their own house in order. Which means opportunity needs to be there for their lower class. No more games. No more corruption.

And ditto here. As you recognized here:

Big business, however, is going to fight this tooth and nail. They’re the ones that pump lobbying money into our politicians.

We do need to clean house here. Once the corrupted border enforcement is taken care of...the free market will fix things. Despite McCain and Bush screaming "it's impossible"....

As part of that cleaning house...your observation here needs a major caveat:

I couldn’t help but notice that almost all the conservative candidates seem a bit squeamish on immigration.

Almost is not all. Not Tancredo, and not the best candidate of the lot:


49 posted on 12/22/2007 11:59:18 AM PST by Paul Ross (Dear Mary LaRonald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: DesScorp
"Of course, Bill O’Reilly tells us we can’t send them home..."

As does Michael Medved."

50 posted on 12/22/2007 12:05:40 PM PST by manic4organic (Send a care package through USO today.)
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