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Sad end to anti-war effort ( well...its an editorial from the Berkshires...just gives me tears )
Berkshire Eagle ^ | Editorial staff

Posted on 12/22/2007 11:08:18 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Sunday, December 23

Congress' approval of $70 billion for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan last week as part of a $555 billion federal budget bill effectively marks the quiet end of the Democratic majority's effort to bring an end to the war in Iraq. The great promise of a year ago following the 2006 elections in which the Democrats tossed the Republicans out of the congressional leadership gradually drained away, in part because of procedural realities but also because of a disappointing lack of fire among Democrats in Washington.

Congress will revisit the issue in spring, but major policy changes are unlikely to take place that close to another election. Representative James McGovern, one of the eight Massachusetts congressmen, including John Olver of the First District, who voted against the bill, noted sadly that it "represents an endorsement of George Bush's policy of endless war."

When the Democrats took over in Congress in January they tried without success to cut funding for the war or tie funding to a firm withdrawal date. Lacking the 60 Senate votes needed to force bills to the floor, they were regularly stymied in that body, and they were not close to the two-thirds vote needed to override a presidential veto. Democrats, however, never took Iraq War policy to the American people who put them in office in large part because voters wanted an end to the war. Intimidated by General Petraeus' appearance before them and the bogus claims by Republicans that they don't "support the troops," timid Democrats remain paralyzed by the scare tactics that American voters grew wise to long ago.

Democratic presidential candidate Bill Richardson, appalled by the vote approving the war funds, says he will devote his campaign solely to the Iraq War. Mr. Richardson is a long shot for the nomination, but if he can focus his party's candidates on the war he will be doing the nation a service. Hillary Clinton, most notably, continues to triangulate a position that comes down on all sides of the Iraq War.

The relative calm in Iraq makes it easy for candidates to dodge the issue, but the calm in Iraq is the quiet of the grave. While the persistent effort of American troops has contributed to a decline in violence, the death toll has dropped primarily because there are fewer Iraqis left to kill. Neighborhoods have been ethnically cleansed of minority Shiites or Sunnis, depending on the section of the city in question. The U.S. has for the most part looked the other way while this has gone on in the unspoken knowledge that violence will not stop until the country is essentially partitioned.

Iraq is evolving into Afghanistan, the site of the Bush administration's other failed war. The so-called democratic leaders of both nations rule only their capital cities, or more accurately, portions of those cities. Warlords, tribal chieftains and militia groups have divided the majority of both countries into personal fiefdoms. Billions of our tax dollars continue to flow into both countries, much of it squandered or stolen.

The dream of democracy is dead in Iraq, along with nearly 4,000 American soldiers. The money, however, is still being dumped into the desert, with no end in sight.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 110th; iraq; lefties; pelosi; reid
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1 posted on 12/22/2007 11:08:20 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
While the persistent effort of American troops has contributed to a decline in violence, the death toll has dropped primarily because there are fewer Iraqis left to kill.

Liberals are frigging retarded.

2 posted on 12/22/2007 11:11:35 AM PST by LdSentinal
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To: SierraWasp; Grampa Dave; blam; SunkenCiv; NormsRevenge; kellynla; onyx; Brad's Gramma; Howlin; ...

Well, at least they are not happy with Hillary.


3 posted on 12/22/2007 11:11:48 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
A local Boston talk host,Howie Carr,who grew up in western Massachusetts,refers to the area as "Happy Valley".That pretty much sums it up.

4 posted on 12/22/2007 11:12:00 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Wanna see how bad it can get? Elect Hillary and find out.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

A Traitor’s Lament


5 posted on 12/22/2007 11:15:23 AM PST by samtheman (Huckabee. A Bible-Packing Leftist.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!

Remember, good news for America is bad news for Defeatist leftists. All sorts of contortions here to distort the truth and the great, great accomplishments of our troops. Well, cry on, our guys are winning, you hate it, I love it and that settles it.


6 posted on 12/22/2007 11:15:27 AM PST by Bulldawg Fan (Victory is the last thing Murtha and his fellow Defeatists want.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“While the persistent effort of American troops has contributed to a decline in violence, the death toll has dropped primarily because there are fewer Iraqis left to kill.”

Utter nonsense. Only an insane person could write this sentence.


7 posted on 12/22/2007 11:15:49 AM PST by y6162
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

It never ceases to amaze me where they come up with fruitcake editorial boards like this, ever in moonbat leftie states.


8 posted on 12/22/2007 11:15:51 AM PST by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The dream of democracy is dead in Iraq, along with nearly 4,000 American soldiers

when did these jerks ever dream of democracy in Iraq and when did they care about our soldiers?
9 posted on 12/22/2007 11:16:05 AM PST by jjw
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To: Gay State Conservative

When I first saw this I thought it was from Berkeley
.... here in California...


10 posted on 12/22/2007 11:16:26 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
>Iraq is evolving into Afghanistan, the site of the Bush administration’s other failed war.

LOL! BARF! LOL!

Afghanistan is one of the most notable success stories in modern military history, if not the most notable.

Remember what happened to the USSR?
Then contrast that to the stunning success in Afghanistan.

Actually, the author should be hanged...

11 posted on 12/22/2007 11:17:52 AM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Memo to editorial staff..... you got your ass kicked!


12 posted on 12/22/2007 11:18:08 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Moveon is not us...... Moveon is the enemy)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Actually, the death toll has gone down because there are a lot fewer non-Iraqis left to make mischief.


13 posted on 12/22/2007 11:19:38 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Being an idealist excuses nothing. Hitler was an idealist.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Democratic presidential candidate Bill Richardson, appalled by the vote approving the war funds, says he will devote his campaign solely to the Iraq War.

2008-forever when Bill Richardson's name is mentioned it will be answered with "Bill who?"

14 posted on 12/22/2007 11:21:10 AM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

***the death toll has dropped primarily because there are fewer Iraqis left to kill***

Yep, 29 of the 30 million Iraqis are dead. /s


15 posted on 12/22/2007 11:22:34 AM PST by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

On the upside, the authors of this little bit of tripe are no more out of touch with the realities in Iraq than they ever were. The notion that the population of Iraq has been thinned to the point where there’s nary a target left is possible only to someone who is living in a fantasy world.


16 posted on 12/22/2007 11:23:11 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The dream of democracy is dead in Iraq, along with nearly 4,000 American soldiers. The money, however, is still being dumped into the desert, with no end in sight.

Gosh, perfectly good money that could be used domestic earmarks.

Damn wars they just tend to suck the financial wind out of true politicians domestically don't they?

17 posted on 12/22/2007 11:26:59 AM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Howie Carr,who grew up in western Massachusetts,refers to the area as "Happy Valley"

Must be a special place and it appears that the local paper wants to help them carry on with their fantasies...

18 posted on 12/22/2007 11:29:04 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: LdSentinal
While the persistent effort of American troops has contributed to a decline in violence, the death toll has dropped primarily because there are fewer Iraqis left to kill.

Without a doubt one of the most ignorant, if not THE most ignorant, line of drivel I've ever read.

19 posted on 12/22/2007 11:30:05 AM PST by JaguarXKE
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To: Gay State Conservative
I think they, the residents themselves, refer to it as "Happy Valley".

They even have their own "currency", too.

No Joy in Happy Valley at Christmastime this year, apparently.

20 posted on 12/22/2007 11:31:38 AM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Hillary Clinton, most notably, continues to triangulate a position that comes down on all sides of the Iraq War.

Yup. John Kerry remix.

21 posted on 12/22/2007 11:36:27 AM PST by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: LdSentinal
the death toll has dropped primarily because there are fewer Iraqis left to kill.

LOL... this is probably the lamest argument I've ever heard...

22 posted on 12/22/2007 11:36:27 AM PST by paudio
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I'm surprised that they left this in...

While the persistent effort of American troops has contributed to a decline in violence, the death toll has dropped primarily because there are fewer Iraqis left to kill.

Usually, the stupid stuff is edited.

5.56mm

23 posted on 12/22/2007 11:36:52 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
When the Democrats took over in Congress in January they tried without success to cut funding for the war or tie funding to a firm withdrawal date.

They placed their priorities elsewhere in an aggressive attempt in maintaining an ~13% approval rating.

It's taken up a lot of their time. /snicker

24 posted on 12/22/2007 11:39:06 AM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Hillary Clinton, most notably, continues to triangulate a position that comes down on all sides of the Iraq War.

Hitlery...A true modern day Democrat politician!

25 posted on 12/22/2007 11:42:47 AM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: LdSentinal
Liberals are frigging retarded.

And hippies smell. That's all I could think about while reading the article.

26 posted on 12/22/2007 11:43:17 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Intimidated by General Petraeus' appearance before them

It must have been that "Betray Us" ad that got to them.

27 posted on 12/22/2007 11:44:24 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Calvin Locke
I think they, the residents themselves, refer to it as "Happy Valley".

Well as a resident myself, I can tell you that the
conservatives among us (yes we do have some here!)
We don't call it "happy valley".. we call it many,
many things, but not "happy valley".

I have found actually, that many of the lib "happy pill"
people aren't natives. They're transplanted Noo Yawkus
with Land Rovers and "Impeach Bush" stickers, who move
to the sticks, then complain endlessly about the noise
the crickets make in the evenings, and the deer who poop
on their lawns, and the bears who steal their garbage cans.

They're called, by the way -- "Massholes"

Yeah and Great Barrington has their "BerkShare notes"
currency, but they're kinda goofy over there. They're
still trying to seceed from the U.S., too.
28 posted on 12/22/2007 11:55:16 AM PST by Dominnae ("An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile hoping it will eat him last." -- Winston Churchill)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

They reject our reality and substitute their own!


29 posted on 12/22/2007 11:56:51 AM PST by SaxxonWoods (Fred Thompson's Federalism is right on.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

30 posted on 12/22/2007 12:11:15 PM PST by pabianice
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To: paudio

It is pretty lame. It ranks right up there with the reports of less work for ambulance drivers and those who take care of the dead.


31 posted on 12/22/2007 12:23:38 PM PST by Theresawithanh (This is my tagline. FRED!!!!!!)
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To: LdSentinal

Well, the Iraqis are not so deluded. They is why they are quickly returning to the country.


32 posted on 12/22/2007 12:30:40 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: All; vietvet67
The editors need to see this:

Dem leaders pressured to alter war strategy
Politico ^ | Dec 21, 2007 | John Bresnahan and Martin Kady II
Posted on 12/21/2007 8:18:53 AM PST by vietvet67

33 posted on 12/22/2007 12:33:55 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Got a kid to donate? Whos’? Got a nation to donate? Which?


34 posted on 12/22/2007 12:39:13 PM PST by Waco
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"While the persistent effort of American troops has contributed to a decline in violence, the death toll has dropped primarily because there are fewer Iraqis left to kill. Neighborhoods have been ethnically cleansed of minority Shiites or Sunnis,..."

I am starting to see many articles from the left using this new mantra in order to not give credit to Bush and our Armed Forces for the successful surge. Even Obama used it. This must have gone out in a DNC memo.

Absolutely disgusting the hate these people have for their own country and patriotic countrymen!

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35 posted on 12/22/2007 12:51:48 PM PST by avacado
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

...smells like Victory.


36 posted on 12/22/2007 1:00:00 PM PST by Atchafalaya
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

What happens if you win the war before you surrender. Does the surrender count?


37 posted on 12/22/2007 1:05:28 PM PST by norwaypinesavage (Planting trees to offset carbon emissions is like drinking water to offset rising ocean levels)
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To: Billthedrill
The notion that the population of Iraq has been thinned to the point where there’s nary a target left is possible only to someone who is living in a fantasy world.

And what happens to this notion if violence picks up again? The lefties will abandon it in a second because it's nothing more than a disposable argument du jour.

38 posted on 12/22/2007 1:11:53 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Surprisingly upbeat for a newspaper from Massachusetts.


39 posted on 12/22/2007 1:13:53 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I guess we could save a lot of money by leaving them all there, discharge all of them, and wish them well. Better yet, lets disband the military and convert all the budget to social programs.


40 posted on 12/22/2007 1:15:51 PM PST by purpleraine
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Democrats, however, never took Iraq War policy to the American people who put them in office in large part because voters wanted an end to the war.

Well, after waiting 36 posts and not seeing this noted, I thought I would try on my own. The election of 2006 was NOT about the war. It was about runaway Republicans earmarking like dems, and conservative dem candidates keeping very quiet about their plans. It was more about "makaka" then the war.

The MSM and lefties in general have been trying to convince us and each other that the war was the focus since the day after the election, but saying it doesn't make it so. My memory isn't perfect, but it was only a year ago...

41 posted on 12/22/2007 1:16:39 PM PST by Wingy
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; ALOHA RONNIE; MurryMom
...but the calm in Iraq is the quiet of the grave.

I like to call it VICTORY and PEACE!

42 posted on 12/22/2007 1:19:51 PM PST by Libloather (Hillary donors find their way to the cover of Time. And the very next day they're doing it...)
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To: Dominnae
I think they, the residents themselves, refer to it as "Happy Valley".

Well as a resident myself, I can tell you that the

Ah... You so funny. As a resident myself, the west slope of the Berkshires is *not* the happy vally. C'mon youse guys, Mass isn't that big, so you ought know that Happy Valley refers to this latrine trench (I live in unfortunately) the Conneticut River runs down the middle of. Five colleges -- "Noho" (which made the Enquirer as "Strange Town Where Men Aren't Welcome") -- moonbat heaven.

I'll grant you, the Berkshires are loaded with moonbats, but "Happy Valley" it aint...

Peet (who remembers buying ammo at the corner gas station in Mass back in the day)
43 posted on 12/22/2007 1:42:10 PM PST by Peet (Insert clever phrase here.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
BEHOLD THE DNC FAX MACHINE AT WORK:

Neighborhoods have been ethnically cleansed of minority Shiites or Sunnis, depending on the section of the city in question.

How many times have we heard "ethnic cleansing" applied by Leftists? The occurences I have noted, are numbering in the dozens since Dec. 1st.

This whole article is an exercise in Leftist projection, endless talking points, and boiler-plate comments; the only difference being the token shots against She Who Must Not Be Named.

44 posted on 12/22/2007 1:50:40 PM PST by Old Sarge (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The WAR-AGAINST-THE-WAR ended in September when NONE of the 3 major Dem Candidates would commit to a withdrawal date from Iraq or Afghanistan...

Harry Reid’s “The Surge Worked” comments yesterday is the day that surrender to Bush and FACTS became official.

Defeat by Bush is just beginning to dawn on many of the more deranged moonbats, and there will most likely be hell to pay for it at the Dem Convention next year...


45 posted on 12/22/2007 1:53:11 PM PST by tcrlaf (VOTE DEMOCRAT-You'll look great in a Burka!)
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To: Gay State Conservative
"Happy Valley".

I lived in the Berkshires for 14 years, leaving in '68...it was, indeed, a Happy and most beautiful place - but, as so many other places in this country, it's gone blue. There are still some great 'reds' there too, though - and except for the everywhere highways, still beautiful

46 posted on 12/22/2007 1:57:36 PM PST by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all the time" LINCOLN)
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To: tcrlaf
Looking for quotes from harry:

Monday, December 03, 2007
Harry Reid Struggles with Senility

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The classic definition of senility is someone who can remember everything that happened years ago but can't remember what they had for breakfast. Recent events are quickly lost to them. Such is the case with Dem Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid:

Democrats are increasingly bailing on their previously held view that the troop surge in Iraq has been a "failure," but Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid isn't ready to jump on the bandwagon with other Democrats who say the surge has worked.

The Senate re-opened for business on Monday after a two-week Thanksgiving break, during which key Democrats traveled to Iraq and declared that the surge is working, at least from a security and military perspective. Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.), one the top war critics, stunned fellow Democrats late last week with his statement that "the surge is working," even though he added that political reconciliation has been lagging. Murtha's view was backed by Rep. Norm Dicks (D-Wash.), who also said the surge worked after he returned from Iraq.

But Reid, in a Monday press conference, ceded no ground.

"The surge hasn't accomplished its goals," Reid said. "... We're involved, still, in an intractable civil war."

Reid's comments show that Democratic leaders in Washington may not be on the same page as their rank-and-file members when it comes to interpreting results on the ground in Iraq. Reid, as a leader, still needs to maintain some negotiating leverage as Democrats try to figure out a way to give President Bush some $50 billion in temporary war finding while at least attaching some strings to the money so it's not a blank check for the war.
A mind is a terrible thing to lose.

47 posted on 12/22/2007 2:14:47 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: tcrlaf
And from a message board:

HARRY REID " WELL GGOOOLLLYYYY, THE SURGE WORKED"

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REID NOW SAYS IRAQ SURGE HAS HELPED

'...the surge certainly hasn't hurt. It's helped. I recognize that' --- Sen. Harry Reid, 12/21/07

'...this war is lost and that the surge is not accomplishing anything' -- Sen. Harry Reid, 4/19/07

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48 posted on 12/22/2007 2:17:48 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
While the persistent effort of American troops has contributed to a decline in violence, the death toll has dropped primarily because there are fewer Iraqis left to kill.

Good Lord - This has GOT to be one of the STUPIDEST things I've ever seen in print.
49 posted on 12/22/2007 2:18:19 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Ron Paul put the cuckoo in my Cocoa Puffs)
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To: LdSentinal
Harry Reid: Incompetence

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Said the man who Hot Air reminds us, vowed in April not to believe any reports of progress.

Democrats are increasingly bailing on their previously held view that the troop surge in Iraq has been a “failure,” but Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid isn’t ready to jump on the bandwagon with other Democrats who say the surge has worked.

The Senate re-opened for business on Monday after a two-week Thanksgiving break, during which key Democrats traveled to Iraq and declared that the surge is working, at least from a security and military perspective. Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.), one the top war critics, stunned fellow Democrats late last week with his statement that “the surge is working,” even though he added that political reconciliation has been lagging. Murtha’s view was backed by Rep. Norm Dicks (D-Wash.), who also said the surge worked after he returned from Iraq.

But Reid, in a Monday press conference, ceded no ground.

“The surge hasn’t accomplished its goals,” Reid said. “… We’re involved, still, in an intractable civil war.”

Reid’s comments show that Democratic leaders in Washington may not be on the same page as their rank-and-file members when it comes to interpreting results on the ground in Iraq.


50 posted on 12/22/2007 2:20:44 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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