Posted on 12/22/2007 5:25:32 PM PST by neverdem
A newly declassified document shows that J. Edgar Hoover, the longtime director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, had a plan to suspend habeas corpus and imprison some 12,000 Americans he suspected of disloyalty.
Hoover sent his plan to the White House on July 7, 1950, 12 days after the Korean War began. It envisioned putting suspect Americans in military prisons.
Hoover wanted President Harry S. Truman to proclaim the mass arrests necessary to “protect the country against treason, espionage and sabotage.” The F.B.I would “apprehend all individuals potentially dangerous” to national security, Hoover’s proposal said. The arrests would be carried out under “a master warrant attached to a list of names” provided by the bureau.
The names were part of an index that Hoover had been compiling for years. “The index now contains approximately twelve thousand individuals, of which approximately ninety-seven per cent are citizens of the United States,” he wrote.
“In order to make effective these apprehensions, the proclamation suspends the Writ of Habeas Corpus,” it said.
Habeas corpus, the right to seek relief from illegal detention, has been a fundamental principle of law for seven centuries. The Bush administration’s decision to hold suspects for years at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, has made habeas corpus a contentious issue for Congress and the Supreme Court today.
The Constitution says habeas corpus shall not be suspended “unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion, the public safety may require it.” The plan proposed by Hoover, the head of the F.B.I. from 1924 to 1972, stretched that clause to include “threatened invasion” or “attack upon United States troops in legally occupied territory.”
After the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, President Bush issued an order that effectively allowed the United States to hold suspects indefinitely without a hearing, a lawyer, or formal...
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
Documents: The Intelligence Community, 1950–1955 (state.gov) (pdf)
I haven't looked at these yet. I wonder if climate change sceptics will be locked up if the neoCOMs win in 2008?
How odd. Earlier today I was thinking of something similar, although I limited it to 10,000.
But, to their credit, they still managed to blame Bush.
Has the list been kept updated? 12,000? That would probably cover most of the major MSM, traitor-blogs and VLWC. Hey, I can dream, can’t I? LOL
Too bad it didn’t happen. Those commies’ spawn have multiplied 100,000 fold since then.
Yes, yes! This is really Breaking News! Like on Shepherd’s Fox show.... We have Just learned...FBI plans to seize 10,000...You may be included...Further details after this...
I was thinking more in line of ~13,000,000
FDR rounded up far more US citizens of Japanese descent—an act which Hoover opposed.
I would imagine that a fair percentage would have been former FDR staffers.
Gitmo is not on US soil. Therefore, no matter how much the ACLU and the 'Rats whine and complain, the USSC has no jurisdiction.
Ha, Bush gets dragged into an article on a Hoover plan from 1950. Unbelievable! These people are truly obsessed with Bush. I like how they equate a plan to hold American citizens without habeas corpus to holding terrorists from foreign countries without habeas corpus. Quite a stretch even for the Commie Times.
I don’t believe the Times.
Funny, no mention of Lincoln.
The interesting thing here is that "palaeocons," who think that the Bush Administration is a police state, traditionally supported such things so long as they were done against Communists (and by people such as Hoover). The same Birch Society that sounds like the ACLU when it criticizes Bush still considers Hoover a great hero (and he probably was), and I imagine they'll excuse this even as they excuse the draft during the Sixties while attacking a draft now or during WWII.
Federal Office of the Environment and Public Works has released this statement:
NUREMBERG-STYLE TRIALS PROPOSED FOR GLOBAL WARMING SKEPTICS
There are quite a few on Capitol Hill that should be on that list.
See pages 18-20 of the second link for said references.
I wonder if those being targeted were Fabians.
I suspect these 12,000 were Communists and sympathizers whom Hoover worried would work against the US during the Korean war.
Beat me to it.
Holy mackerel, that’s a scarey article.
Holding Nuremburg trials for globalogne skeptics
is an insult to holocaust victims. Another reason
why American Jews should not vote with the Democrats.
But they are under the veil so ... they will.
“Those commies’ spawn have multiplied 100,000 fold since then.”
Wouldn’t it be great if somebody could get a hold of that list and figure out exactly what organizations those people wound up being associated with.
RATS underground should feel some sense of relief...
I wonder if those being targeted were Fabians.
I don't know. I'm glad the link worked. When I tried to open it, it died. I had to restart the computer.
LOLOLOL... I thought you were kidding!
The Global Warming Suicide Cult (Don Feder: Its Really The Human Extinction Movement Alert)
Cold Comfort: An Interview with John R. Lott Between the the lack of recorded votes for the recent NICS Improvement Act, and the D.C. v. Heller nee Parker case at the Supreme Court, I think the Second Amendent caucus will be fully engaged, especially in the primaries for 2008, IMHO.
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I’d be curious as to overlaps with those identified in the Venona files.
They were scared and scattered in the late 40’s and early 50’a but they came back with a vengeance in new forms and ways.
The exploitation of economic issues gave way to the use of new issues like race, sex, homosexuality, etc. to advance the cause of Karl Marx.
I was struck by some things when I read Herbert Philbrick’s
“I Led Three Lives.”
One being the large numbers of black leadership in the Communist Party who called people “white chauvinists.”
Then the footnote that hit the nail on the head by saying that female commie leaders in the 1940’s called men “male chauvinists.”
That phrase would come back to bite 25 years later with the “feminist movement.”
And yes, the females of the Communist Party (circa 1940’s) were called “plain Janes” by Philbrick.
Feminism was indeed for unattractive women.
Then there’s the part where the Communist women told Philbrick’s wife not to use the “Little Black Sambo” book in the home.
About 15 or so years ago, Rush Limbaugh was talking about objections being raised to that book and people wanting it banned.
Absoluetly. The journalistc linkage of Hoover to Bush is nauseating
Completely in error. The terrorists are illegal combatants, not US Citizens or criminals. Therefore the "right of habeas corpus" does not apply to them
12000 you say.
Would there have been anyone left in Hollywood?
Thanks neverdem, alas...
Report: Hoover had plan for mass arrests
(1950, up to 12,000 suspected of being disloyal)
AP on Yahoo | 12/22/07 | AP
Posted on 12/22/2007 3:35:03 PM EST by NormsRevenge
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1943294/posts
Whenever I hear a lib complaining about the way we are in “violation of Geneva” at Guantanamo I point out with glee that they are “absolutely right”. The prisoners we took from the battlefield in Afghanistan should have been taken to the side of the road and shot in the head. That is what the “Geneva Convention” demands. This usally shuts them up pretty fast.
Funny, no mention of Lincoln.
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It is amazing considering Lincoln was a Republican! Of course, most Democrats don’t realize that fact.
You are exactly correct. I wish I could see their faces when you tell them this!
...and even though this "proposal" was merely contemplated 58 years ago (while the other two instances actually happened), the NT Times does its leftist/marxist best to somehow blame Bush for it! Amazing!
As to the terrorists we capture...their lives are forfeit. They are enemies who have no uniform and are not part of any "official" army, therefore they can be summarily executed...which is exactly what we should do with each of them as soon as we have milked whatever intellignece we can out of them.
Hoover was the first director of the FBI, appointed by Calvin Coolidge.
That would seem to make it a bit obtuse to blame him on Nixon or Bush or whatever the current liberal boogieman might be.
His dates in office as FBI director are: May 10, 1924 – May 2, 1972.
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These commies are funny sometimes. I guess they’d rather have the couch potatoe (sic) masses take care of them with pitchforks and torches. S’alright with me. ;^)
Apparently for 12 years FDR had no problem with him. Or Truman or JFK or LBJ. Didn't the Democratics (sic) strongly control Congress throughout most of that period as well?
Next week the NYTs will reveal that is wasn't God that made it rain for 40 days and 40 nights it was BUSH!!!
Perhaps a filing under the FOIA would help with that.
Then we'd have to thank the NYTs for bringing this to our attention. LOL
What about the detainees turned over to us by warlords and chieftains for bounty? Some of them have turned out to be innocent.
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