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Britain has become a 'Catholic country'
Telegraph.co.uk ^ | 12/23/07 | Jonathan Wynne-Jones

Posted on 12/22/2007 7:56:40 PM PST by melt

Roman Catholics have overtaken Anglicans as the country's dominant religious group. More people attend Mass every Sunday than worship with the Church of England, figures seen by The Sunday Telegraph show.

Blair becomes Catholic in private ceremony The changing face of British Christianity Your view: What can the Church of England do to win back worshippers? This means that the established Church has lost its place as the nation's most popular Christian denomination after more than four centuries of unrivalled influence following the Reformation.

Last night, leading figures gave warning that the Church of England could become a minority faith and that the findings should act as a wake-up call.

The statistics show that attendance at Anglican Sunday services has dropped by 20 per cent since 2000. A survey of 37,000 churches, to be published in the new year, shows the number of people going to Sunday Mass in England last year averaged 861,000, compared with 852,000 Anglicans ­worshipping.

The rise of Catholicism has been bolstered by an influx of immigrants from eastern Europe and Africa, who have packed the pews of Catholic parishes that had previously been dwindling.

It is part of the changing face of churchgoing across Britain in the 21st century which has also seen a boom in the growth of Pentecostal churches, which have surpassed the Methodist Church as the country's third largest Christian denomination.

Worshipping habits have changed dramatically with a significant rise in attendance at mid-week services and at special occasions - the Church of England expects three million people to go to a parish church over Christmas Eve and Christmas Day

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


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This is welcome news--- since the most "popular" newborn name in England is now "Mohammad"...
1 posted on 12/22/2007 7:56:41 PM PST by melt
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To: melt

Come all you Catholic haters, this is your third chance in two days to flame Rome!


2 posted on 12/22/2007 7:58:19 PM PST by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: All

I suggest dropping the BS and start praying... we have bigger fish to fry.


3 posted on 12/22/2007 8:00:05 PM PST by AliVeritas (ah, the sheer grace! in darkness and concealment, my house being now all stilled.)
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To: melt
It’s just a temporary thing. Soon the muslims will outnumber both groups combined when it comes to religious services.
4 posted on 12/22/2007 8:05:45 PM PST by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: melt

Can we get our churches back now? Or are they mosques?


5 posted on 12/22/2007 8:06:44 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: AliVeritas

More logical heads prevail.

Just as I was about to dump … you come up with a logical alternative. Yes, prayer is the answer, and will always be the answer. Thank you for your guidance.


6 posted on 12/22/2007 8:08:24 PM PST by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: Revolting cat!

Would the rest of you just look at this, now! Sure and you wouldn’t think of such a thing, Britain being majority Catholic and all that, what not! But just blessed somebody’s who’s counted Christians’ got to take up the cudgel against the bloody Mahommetans now, don’t they?

Our own Saint Patrick once chased all the serpents from the British Isles and he can do so once again now can’t he, lads?

`Mohammed’ the second most given boys’ name, is it? I’ll just be betting the lot of you that none of these named after their bloody `prophet’ knows naught about throwing a good old fashioned Irish uppercut, now do they?

That’s what AK-47s and airliners are for, aren’t they?


7 posted on 12/22/2007 8:15:25 PM PST by elcid1970
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To: melt

Will the last person to leave the Anglican Faith, please turn out the light!


8 posted on 12/22/2007 8:17:05 PM PST by wolfpat (If you don't like the Patriot Act, you're really gonna hate Sharia Law.)
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To: melt

Paging the Defender of the Faith. Oh, wait, the defender-apparent is a TROP aficionado. Better the country is aligned with the Pope. Nevermind


9 posted on 12/22/2007 8:17:17 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: melt
I'll bet that this is largely due to the huge number of Irish people living in the UK.Ireland and the UK have for many years had laws which,in essence,gives citizens of the other country permission to settle there without hindrance.

And in recent years Irish citizens have settled in the UK by the hundreds of thousands....or more.

10 posted on 12/22/2007 8:19:49 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Wanna see how bad it can get? Elect Hillary and find out.)
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To: wolfpat

To late, the last true Anglican left long ago, and didn’t have to turn the light off, if has been off for years.


11 posted on 12/22/2007 8:22:38 PM PST by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: Gay State Conservative

So have a lot of Poles.

But it doesn’t help that so many of the COE hierarchy are batso.


12 posted on 12/22/2007 8:22:43 PM PST by the Real fifi
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To: Revolting cat!

“Come all you Catholic haters, this is your third chance in two days to flame Rome!”

Huh?


13 posted on 12/22/2007 8:23:17 PM PST by acw011 (Texan livin Up North.)
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To: Revolting cat!
Naa. Better Catholic than indifferent. We just don’t believe that there is a 1-1 correspondence between Roman Catholic Church and Universal Church of all believers in Jesus Christ, and we don’t believe in the Magisterium. Small difference.
14 posted on 12/22/2007 8:23:39 PM PST by GAB-1955 (Kicking and Screaming into the Kingdom of Heaven.)
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To: the Real fifi
So have a lot of Poles.

True enough.I was in Ireland and the UK earlier this year and I swear that every waitress and most of the front desk help in the hotels we ran into in Ireland were Polish.

15 posted on 12/22/2007 8:26:25 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Wanna see how bad it can get? Elect Hillary and find out.)
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To: melt; Apparatchik; GratianGasparri; jcwill; Vom Willemstad K-9; managusta; LikeLight; OAKC0N; ...
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Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to all note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of interest.

16 posted on 12/22/2007 8:28:06 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: melt

England a catholic nation again. Get out of town. What will the King say? Oops the Queen.


17 posted on 12/22/2007 8:29:14 PM PST by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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To: GAB-1955

Maybe people have left the Church of England because it has become a left-wing PC organization. Did not the Archbishop of Canterbury question the whole idea of the nativity a few days ago?


18 posted on 12/22/2007 8:29:39 PM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: wolfpat

Anglicans don’t have faith anymore, just mushy feeling. It isn’t fair to call them a religion...more like a country club for liberals.


19 posted on 12/22/2007 8:30:01 PM PST by Mr Rogers (Amnesty is Huckabee's middle name!)
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To: doc1019

Well, I guess the divorce rate among the British royalty will plummet. They’ll have to go back to lopping off the heads of the unwanted wives. The mussies will like that.


20 posted on 12/22/2007 8:30:02 PM PST by wolfpat (If you don't like the Patriot Act, you're really gonna hate Sharia Law.)
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To: Mr Rogers
...more like a country club for liberals.

Kinda like the Unitarian Church?
21 posted on 12/22/2007 8:31:24 PM PST by wolfpat (If you don't like the Patriot Act, you're really gonna hate Sharia Law.)
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To: Revolting cat!

As an evangelical, I don’t hate Catholics … I just think they are wrong in their theology and pray for them daily.


22 posted on 12/22/2007 8:33:28 PM PST by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: melt
Britain has become a pagan country.

There is a virulent anti-religious feeling in that country and it is growing.

If one looks at the numbers over the past several decades, rather than a single snapshot in time figure, it becomes obvious that the numbers of both Catholics and Anglicans attending church has been falling dramatically. It's just that the Anglican fall off has been more precipitous than the Catholic fall off.

That is the real truth and it's no cause for celebration.

23 posted on 12/22/2007 8:38:15 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: melt

Ya want reasons?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1942562/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1939146/posts


24 posted on 12/22/2007 8:38:52 PM PST by FreeperinRATcage (I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for every thing I do. - R. A. Heinlein)
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To: doc1019
I just think they are wrong in their theology and pray for them daily.

Next time you are reading the Holy Bible, thank the Lord for the Church. Without the Church, there would be no written bible. The Holy Scripture is God's gift to the Church.
25 posted on 12/22/2007 8:39:16 PM PST by bagadonutz (The road goes on forever and the party never ends! - R E Keene)
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To: melt

“What can the Church of England do to win back worshippers?”

Become more like the Catholic Church - stop gay ordinations and marriages and start talking morality instead of political correctness.

Personally as a non-specific kind of Protestant, I this point I think all Orthodox thinking Christians need to unite against the common menace of Islam and stop arguing theological points of little relevence.


26 posted on 12/22/2007 8:40:59 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Sure, Blame the Irish!!!!


27 posted on 12/22/2007 8:41:32 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: doc1019

I’m Catholic. I have this vision of St. Peter standing outside the Pearly Gates next to a sign that says, “Check your denomination here.”


28 posted on 12/22/2007 8:42:08 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: melt
"Blair becomes Catholic in private ceremony..."

Guess he didn't like the Big Bird hat either.


29 posted on 12/22/2007 8:43:40 PM PST by antinomian (Show me a robber baron and I'll show you a pocket full of senators.)
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To: GAB-1955

Catholics and Protestants believe in:

The Bible

the Trinity

Jesus Christ as a personal saviour and Son of God

Heaven and hell

A Last Judgement

A Resurrection of the dead

The Nicene Creed

Muslims believe in:

An Arab Moon God

Killing anyone who doesn’t convert

A pedophilic desert bandit as the Last Messanger of God

Women as personal possessions

Dogs as unclean

Forbidding consumption of beer, whiskey, ale, wine and all similar good traditional western beverages containing alcohol

No pork chops, frankfurters, pork loins, or pork roasts.

It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that Catholics and Protestants are far closer to each other than either is to Islam.


30 posted on 12/22/2007 8:47:43 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: bagadonutz

The world didn’t need the catholic church to preserve the bible. How arrogant. God would have preserved His Word with or without the Popes church.


31 posted on 12/22/2007 8:47:56 PM PST by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: Vom Willemstad K-9; Coleus; firebrand

ping


32 posted on 12/22/2007 8:48:16 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: doc1019
As an evangelical, I don’t hate Catholics

Am I supposed to be grateful for your tolerance?

33 posted on 12/22/2007 8:49:23 PM PST by Peelod (I do renounce Hillary! and all her pomps and works.)
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To: ZULU
"...all Orthodox thinking Christians need to unite against the common menace of Islam and stop arguing theological points of little relevence."

I agree with you completely. Sadly though, they will go to their graves arguing those "points of little relevance."

34 posted on 12/22/2007 8:51:16 PM PST by davisfh
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To: melt

IF this is true why are there so many threads about how Islam is taking over there and Mohammad is more popular than George? (the Names)


35 posted on 12/22/2007 8:51:34 PM PST by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: bagadonutz; doc1019

Next time you are reading the Holy Bible, thank the Lord for the Church. Without the Church, there would be no written bible. The Holy Scripture is God’s gift to the Church.


And then thank the Lord for the Protestant movement so you can have a personal copy of the Bible and have it printed in a language other than Latin.


36 posted on 12/22/2007 8:52:29 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Peelod

No, just tolerant of those that don’t believe exactly as you do, as a Christian should.


37 posted on 12/22/2007 8:52:33 PM PST by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: Peelod; doc1019
Am I supposed to be grateful for your tolerance?
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We should all be glad that no one will lose their head over our disagreements.
39 posted on 12/22/2007 8:55:44 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: fish hawk

Some of us do have a problem with them molesting little boys though.


Yes. If Catholic Priests and Public School Teachers were allowed to marry the children would be much safer.


40 posted on 12/22/2007 8:58:00 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Grizzled Bear

What does marriage have to do with a sick perverted mind? You think that would solve the “Catholic Problem”?


41 posted on 12/22/2007 9:01:26 PM PST by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: davisfh

“..they will go to their graves arguing those “points of little relevance.”

Unfortunately they might be taking Christianity with them in the process.


42 posted on 12/22/2007 9:03:15 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Grizzled Bear

Nope, I would credit Gutenberg for that. He made it all possible.


43 posted on 12/22/2007 9:07:22 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: fish hawk

It isn’t a Catholic problem. It is a societal problem. Priests, or any clergy who have molested are held up by the media because they are expected to be above sin. Please take your Catholic bashing elsewhere.


44 posted on 12/22/2007 9:09:35 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: doc1019

The fact is that God used the Church He established on earth, the Catholic Church, to collect, Canonize, preserve, protect and defend the Scriptures so that beginning 11 centuries later people like Luther, et al, could utilize their free will and begin abridging and editing it to their liking. Denial of that fact is both arrogance and ignorance on your part.


45 posted on 12/22/2007 9:10:31 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: fish hawk
The marriage comment was intended as sarcasm. Married teachers have obviously preyed upon children. The fact is there are perverts who seek places where they are in a position of trust and have easy access to children. Some become Priests. Some become Teachers. John Wayne Gacey (sp?) was a Clown.

I will not condemn every Priest, Teacher and Clown based upon the behavior of a few. Yes, schools, courts and dioceses have failed to adequately prosecute.

I turned away from the Catholic Church long ago. Later I discovered Bible based Christianity (without the Missle and the Mass). When I really read God’s Word I felt angry at the Church. After much time and much prayer I let go of my anger and felt a lot of chains fall from my soul.

46 posted on 12/22/2007 9:11:24 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: A.A. Cunningham

And despite all that, Gods word prevailed. Praise Jesus.


47 posted on 12/22/2007 9:14:56 PM PST by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: Cacique

thanks..

are you going to the party in jan?


48 posted on 12/22/2007 9:15:20 PM PST by Coleus (Jesus is the reason for the Season)
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To: NYer; narses

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49 posted on 12/22/2007 9:16:05 PM PST by Coleus (Jesus is the reason for the Season)
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To: melt

Maybe now they will finally leave Ireland.


50 posted on 12/22/2007 9:20:10 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired of all the politics in politics.)
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