Skip to comments.Savior or Saboteur? (Clintons' inflict their eternal conjugal psychodrama)
Posted on 12/22/2007 11:06:40 PM PST by Liz
--SNIP-- Inside the Bill gang and the Hillary gang, there is panic and perplexity. Is Bill a loyal spouse or a subconscious saboteur? For the first time since the Marc Rich pardon, said a friend of the Clintons, Bill is seriously diminishing his personal standing with the people closest to him. And certainly he feels that his legacy is tied to her. When Bill gets slit-eyed, red-faced and finger-wagging in defense of Hillary, is he really defending himself, ego in full bloom, against aspersions Obama and Edwards cast on Clintonian politics? Maybe the Boy Who Cant Help Himself is simply engaging in his usual patterns of humiliating Hillary and lighting an exploding cigar when things are going well. If voting for Obama is a roll of the dice, as Bill suggests, voting for Billary is a sure bet: an endless soap opera.
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
Huh? Say what? Only now "for the first time" since the Rich debacle his friends are seeing the real Bill? Man, those Dims sure are s-l-o-w to catch on.
Course, many if us are gratified the Mark Rich pardon atrocity is being revisited. History trashes Bill as the president who, in the dead of night, sneakily pardoned the scoundrel Mark Rich......Clinton never even told the US Dept of Justice what he was doing. Rich is a certified creep----the biggest tax cheat in US history who renounced his American citizenship, and absconded, to escape prosecution. Can't get any lower than that. Rich then used his ex-wife as the bagwoman to pump big bucks into the Clinton coffers to facilitate the pardon signing.
The Rich pardon remains one of the sorriest events in US history.
The only thing that could surpass the Rich pardon in sleaziness is Rudy Giuliani's possible pardon of mobbed-up Bernard Kerik. Kerik was Giuliani's bodyguard, driver, and Police Commisioner, in that order. Kerik flopped bigtime as Rudy's hand-picked Homeland nominee and is now facing federal charges for official corruption, filing false income tax returns......and lying to the White House in connection with the Homeland job.
This is interesting from Dowd, in lieu of the comments made by Rush in the last couple of days. Rush’s contention is that Bubba is running for a 3rd term .. even though he’s not on the ballot. Thus .. the campaign has begun to bring up the past time in the WH (remember: 2 for 1).
My contention has always been that Bubba’s ego is so large, he would not be willing to share the same status - former president - with his wife. It is an exclusive club - and so far it’s “men” only.
Bubba was ALWAYS in it for the women.He just wants her in the WH so he can sleaze around more.
Dowd must be the only broad that BJ turned down. I don’t think she likes the guy.
Bill campaigning for Himmary is Bill without Snakehead Carville, Forehead Begala or Toemouth Morris making him bark like a trained seal. Without handlers, Bill is little more than ego, feigned empathy, and horn-dog lechery.
I really like the subtitle. That’s not the Times’ doing, is it?
Not so. People who partied with him in the clubs up by the UN said he was a scumbag, too.
Those of us trapped in 56K dialup HELL really appreciate it!
While making a speech in Iowa, The Associated Presss Ron Fournier reported, Bill used the word I 94 times in 10 minutes, while mentioning Hillary just seven times. At a London fund-raiser, one Hillaryite said, it took him nearly half an hour to mention her.
He just can't help himself. He he!
I give up, who?
An ENDLESS SOAP OPERA!!! That’s what the 90’s were and now it’s BACK TO THE FUTURE!!
Wasn’t it Paul O’Neill?
Yep, Mr. Paul O’Neill
The truth is that Bill and Hitlery hate each other with a pure passion. The only stay together for what’s in it for them. As soon as “what I get vs what I give” tips under the 50% mark, they will try to kill each other.
Thank you AndyB. You know the only reason most of us read Dowd columns here.
Thank you too
Why do you think daytime TV is so popular and magazines like the National Enquirer thrive? Like it or not, we are a celebrity and crisis (or celebrity in crisis) obsessed nation. This has spilled over into our politics.
Should Hillary get beaten in either the primary or general election, you can bet there will be a plethora of articles about how she would have won if she had washed her hands of Bill and stepped out as her own woman, free of his baggage.
As it is, although is very popular with some segments of the population, he is a huge millstone around her neck with others. He sabotages her whole message of "change and moving ahead". He even sabotages her message of "experience" because she is basing that message on being co-Presidents.
Met a guy who worked at Commerce under Brown who said they had to bring the jaws of life with them on trips to pry him off the women. Total junkie.
Glad you liked the subber.......just a teeny tiny bit of “help” from Maureen (grin).
Paul O’Neill? Holy Cow!!, How the heck did he manage to do that job AND play right field for the Yankees?
The guy is really AWESOME!!
JERRY: Well, at least you probably had some, uh, pretty good make-up sex after.
GEORGE: I didn’t have any sex.
JERRY: You didn’t have make-up sex? How could you not have make-up sex? I mean that’s the best feature of the heavy relationship.
GEORGE: I didn’t have make-up sex.
JERRY: In your situation the only sex you’re going to have better than make-up sex is if you’re sent to prison and you have a conjugal visit.
GEORGE: Yeah, conjugal visit sex. That is happening!
One of nature’s wonders ...
They remind me of two scorpions in a bottle.
Why do I suddenly have nightmares
Does she even like guys at all? I've always gotten the impression from reading her drivel that she's either a bitter, frigid spinster or a dyke man hater.....
my gosh, that woman is beautiful.
If there was ever a rhetorical question, that's got to be it. Everyone knows the answer to that one by heart by now.
Is he a loyal spouse.
Gimme a break!
Its a big word meaning something about ego and a neurotic preoccupation with ones own self. In lesser representations, it is seen as a need for attention, insecurity around not being recognized, accepted, in the group. You see it in little children sometimes, most times, as a growth process. The child who repeatedly says, watch me mommy, is seen as Normal just trying to get enough recognition to be sure he/she is okay.
In larger representations it is seen in most social gatherings, the person who talks louder than others, over rides the conversation, wants us to think he she is really something....
Gee..who do we know who’s like that?
So that's how that happened!!
I think you are right on this. It has always been my feeling that Billyboy's putative talent was over-rated, given his self-defeating impulses.
I doubt they hate each other. They appear to have a negative bond, which is a mixture of strong attachment and simultaneous incompatibility on the personal level, overridden by a common ambition for which they need each other at the external level.
This is it? This is the "bombshell" that the NYT was gonna drop on the Clinton campaign?
I knew I was right when I thought: Naw, they'd (NYT) never do that to her.
Looking at that picture reminds me of a rumor I heard once. Erskine Bowles is Jesse Helms’ love child.
The truth is that Bill and Hitlery hate each other with a pure passion. The only stay together for whats in it for them. As soon as what I get vs what I give tips under the 50% mark, they will try to kill each other.””
Legally, I think they HAVE to “stay together”. They each know too much dirt about the other, and collectively, they definately are poison wo all those around them.
Makes one wonder what they each did in their prior lives? Anyone want to ask Sylvia Browne??
.I did not have sex with Hillary
where does it end... 8^)
It's clear why she chose to stay with him. He was her meal ticket -- the route to power, for herself.
But why did he stay with her? When all you want to do is chase young women, why put up with the harpy at home? Sure, she let him do it -- but she made him pay a price.
But what benefit did he gain from the marriage?
There's something we don't know about their relationship...
“where does it end....”
never....they will never go away.
"Man, that chick you sent to my room last night was a dog from the neck up."
"Hillary, your iowa polling doesn't look too good for The Clinton Legacy."
"Drop dead, Bill."
He’s a momma’s boy.
And she’s the evil momma that always makes bad things right.
Is that really all there is to it?
Does he simply have a psychological dependency on her?
There are a lot of possible pathologies in a relationship so perverse as their's. So, it's conceivable...