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Posted on 12/23/2007 7:45:02 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past
The war on the Boy Scouts
By Al Knight
Article Last Updated: 12/18/2007 07:45:49 PM MST
Some topics are best left both out of sight and out of mind. The American Civil Liberties Union's war on the Boy Scouts is not one of them.
The ACLU, in a rational world, might well have been expected to champion the First Amendment rights of an organization like the Boy Scouts. After all, the First Amendment to the Constitution (so dear to the ACLU) protects both speech and the right to associate.
The U.S. Supreme Court in 2000 upheld the right of the Boy Scouts to select members and leaders without regard to state laws that bar discrimination based on sexual orientation.
That ruling hasn't stopped the ACLU. It has simply shifted tactics away from the courts and focused its energies on local and often mean-spirited campaigns to deny the Scouts places to meet and the ability to raise funds.
Sadly, the campaign appears to be working. Earlier this year, the Philadelphia City Council caved to pressure from the ACLU and gay and lesbian groups to end a 75-year-old, $1-a-year lease on the Boy Scouts headquarters. The lease was originally granted to run "in perpetuity."
But now, the Scouts will have to pay almost $200,000 a year in rent. Not only that, but the city's Cradle of Liberty Boy Scout Council, after years of resistance, gave in to pressure and essentially agreed to the demands of gay and lesbian groups. And more bad news: The left-leaning Pew Charitable Trusts and the United Way in Philadelphia have stopped funding the Boy Scouts.
The youth of Philadelphia need the Boy Scouts as much as ever, but the City Council is too cowardly to stand up to the unreasonable and vindictive demands of special interest groups.
These campaigns against the Scouts can no longer be disguised as efforts to end discrimination. They have only one purpose: to punish an organization that has performed countless good turns for a century.
At this point, it is unclear what can be done to convince the American public that actions like those taken by the Philadelphia City Council pose a risk to the nation and to the common good. Today, the Boy Scouts may be the target, but tomorrow the same shabby tactics could be aimed at the Rotary Club or any other private civic group.
Those who care about traditional notions of diversity and tolerance might consider joining the battle by showing support for the American Civil Rights Union. The ACRU, which was founded in 1998 as a response to the ACLU, is a champion of the First Amendment and conservative causes, including support for the enforcement of existing immigration laws, opposition to the Fairness Doctrine and support for the principle of executive privilege. Contact them at theacru.org.
Al Knight of Fairplay (firstname.lastname@example.org) is a former member of The Post's editorial-page staff. His column appears twice a month.
“...but tomorrow the same shabby tactics could be aimed at the Rotary Club or any other private civic group.”
You can count on it!!!
“United Way in Philadelphia have stopped funding the Boy Scouts”
Approximately 15 years ago I stopped donating to the United Way. My employer was upset because they liked 100% participation and asked me to donate even a dollar. I refused(my reason had nothing to do with Boy Scouts,I just considered it a top-heavy organization)).
Looks like I was right !
If you give to the United Way, now's the time to STOP.
OK, please help me understand why Philadelphia isn't breaking it's contract with the Scouts? Shouldn't Philly be forced to pay damages if they want out of it?
When and where has the "gay community" ever contributed $500K a year to poor, underpriveldged youth in Philadelphia?
When I use the term "gay community" I actually mean the radicals leading this jihad against the Boy Scouts. Perhaps the moderates will pressure the radicals to examine the harm they are inflicting on innocent third parties, the children.
Their beef is with the adult leadership. The Nazis when they took reprisals against the village of Lidice, removing all traces of it, at least spared the children from harm. Not so the radical gays.
I did go read the comment section... now excuse me, I must go take a shower.
By definition, the Boy Scouts have always been discriminatory— they don’t allow girls to join. But somehow that has never been a problem, the problem only arose when the gay agenda came up.
When I lived in Massachusetts, one of the towns stopped the Boy Scouts from meeting in a public school. The Girl Scouts (which are not affliated with Boy Scouts) were allowed to continue to meet. My question is-— Aren’t the Girl Scouts dicriminatory, do they let boys in?
Stop donating to the united way.
Give directly to the Boy Scouts or your favorite charity. The United Way supports abortion, and increasingly not supporting Boy Scouts.
So sad. I also take grief at work, but too bad. Not one penny to abortions.
I tell the United Way arm-twisters I give to the Salvation Army instead, and that they have a much better track record for putting money to charitable use, rather than being eaten up in “administrative expenses.”
That shuts them up.
I'm going to guess yes, because they also allow lesbian scout leaders. But I don't know if they allow males to be leaders.
Excellent article, and given that the President of the United States serves as honorary chairman of the Boy Scouts of America, surprisingly relevant to the current presidential primary contests.
The BSA appropriately protects 12 year old boys from exposure to other teens or adult leaders who openly identify themselves as being involved in the homosexual lifestyle.
And the left-wing PC and homosexual activist crowd has compared them to the Ku Klux Klan and demanded that they be denied public funding or access to public facilities.
Liberal Democrat Bill Richardson has already announced that because of the BSA policy, he will refuse if elected president to serve as honorary chair of the Scouts. But what do you expect from a Democrat?
Then there’s the even more pathetic Mitt Romney, the social liberal trying to pass himself off as a “conservative.”
Asked in 1994 whether he supported the Boy Scouts’ policy prohibiting adults or teens openly involved in the homosexual lifestyle, Romney said:
“I feel that all people should be allowed to participate in the Boy Scouts regardless of their sexual orientation.”
Asked the same question in 2007, Romney refuses to answer directly and instead responds with a “feel good” dodge that makes it clear nonetheless that he still does not support the BSA’s nationwide ban:
“The Romney campaign pushed back at the allegations, saying Romney...believes local councils should decide their Scouting policies.”
In other words, he does not support the BSA’s nationwide ban, and instead believes the Philadelphia Scout Council should be free to capitulate on the issue under threat of losing their HQ building.
That way, if you’re fortunate enough to live in a Scout council you can trust to continue the BSA policy, your 12 year old will only be exposed to teens and adults involved in Scouting who engage in homosexual behavior if he attends a national jamboree or some other function where troops from multiple councils are present. That’s a comfort, huh?
Mitt also attempts to dodge by saying he supports the Scouts’ right to decide their own policies.
1. That’s not the question.
2. No doubt the Scouts will find that comforting, given that they’ve already won the right in the U.S. Supreme Court to decide their own policy.
I made that mistake too. Where does this hatred for the scouts come from? I have a simple question for these hate filled leftists: if it "isn't about molestation", why exactly do gays want to sleep in tents with little boys?
This is not new,its been going on for years. Every time I receive a phone call or letter from the United Way I tell them (or write) that I now give to the Boy Scouts.
I quit giving to the pro-abort United Way long ago.
Here in Michigan, two local United Ways cut off funding to the Boy Scouts.
The Gerald Ford Scout Council lost $4,500 in funding, and the non-profit with which I’m affiliated made a donation of that amount to the Ford council to make up the loss.
In Ann Arbor, the city council — citing its local ordinance prohibiting “discrimination” on the basis of “sexual orientation* — prohibited city employees from donating to United Way via their city payroll deduction plan, since UW still supported the Scouts. The Ann Arbor UW thereafter stopped funding the Scouts.
These state and local “orientation” laws are the club used against the Scouts in Philly, California, Ann Arbor, and elsewhere.
Last week on Meet the Press, Mitt Romney endorsed such “sexual orientation” laws passed at the local level, while saying he no longer supports Ted Kennedy’s federal “orientation” law. As a candidate for U.S. Senate, he had promised to co-sponsor such a federal law.
MR. RUSSERT: You said (in 1994) that you would sponsor (Sen. Ted Kennedy’s federal) Employment Nondiscrimination Act. Do you still support it?
GOV. ROMNEY: At the state level. I think it makes sense at the state level for states to put in provision of this.
MR. RUSSERT: Now, you said you would sponsor it at the federal level.
GOV. ROMNEY: I would not support at the federal level, and I changed in that regard because I think that policy makes more sense to be evaluated or to be implemented at the state level.
I always send the United Way pledge card back with a note explaining that I will donate directly to the Boy Scouts.
I do charity straight up directly to folks I know need the help.
Arent the Girl Scouts dicriminatory, do they let boys in?
The Girl Scouts gave in to the pressure of the ACLU and now allow lesibians and homo’s to be a part of their club, talk about feeding sheep to the lions.
The diaster of 9/11 awakened America's sensitivities; but not for long. The million little 'thought crimes' that allow PC to successfully manipulate the Left's agenda; receive scant attention. PC as the monster 'root cause' for so many of our problems; cannot be identified - because to do so; is 'anti-PC' or simply politically IN-correct.
And so, United Way can fearlessly drop the Boy Scouts. . .States, communities; schools. . . can be predjudicial by PC strictures, of course. We can destroy a past and future of an American legacy. . .while savaging members of Boy Scouts.
PC is viral and it is insidious. It's potency - it's threat - cannot be underestimated or misunderstood. Truth is the anti-dote; and little available in our current Education agenda.
I think of the painting 'The Scream'. . . Think America needs a 'Think and Speak for Yourself/Stop PC/campaign. Maybe an image fashioned from Edvard Munch's painting would convey the warning. . .
Yes you are. United Way has one of the highest operating cost per donated dollar in the country. In addition their periodic and tawdry scandals usually following embezzelment by a senior official to pad a love nest for a girl (please see William Aramony) are off putting. Added to that, even though you designate your gift to a specific charity, it does not mean yhey will get it. United Way transfers funds to the "most deserving" (wink, wink, nudge, nudge).
I wouldn't give a penny to these thugs.
What galls me is every time the ACLU wins a case, taxpayer funds are used to pay them.
These extremem leftist positions by companies is why I refuse to shop at Radio Shack or buy Levi’s, among other things.
If you get the chance, read something by Tammy Bruce. She seems to nail the motivations behind the left. I don’t support her homosexual lifestyle but her conversion to conservativeism makes her viewpoints interesting to read and to understand why the left does what it does.
Because the article is exaggerating a bit. There was no formal lease, just an unwritten 'agreement' that the Scouts could stay for a buck a year. Legally the city is well within their rights to cancel the agreement, and I believe that they are claiming that anti-discrimination laws require that they do. As for the Scouts, they are finding out that in God they should trust but for all others put it in writing.
Liberals donate to no one and nothing; not their money nor their time. They want to redistribute wealth, not “give back to the community”.
The only thing the gay community has given the world is rampant HIV and AIDS.
A related question: why are people still giving money to the United Way?
Fagadelphia: The City of Buggery Love
It is a fine organization for what it does in many areas, not just on behalf of the Boy Scouts of America.
In my view, the Scouts should sue the City for the value of the building. Then it should put that money in an endowment to pay for the "fair market rental" on the property. That would fix the whole matter.
John / Billybob
And when the cute little kids came knocking on the door with UNICEF boxes at Halloween, I politely explained that “I do not support the United Nations” just loudly enough for the parents to get the hint. Apparently a good portion of my neighbors had similar tactics....
The Girl Scouts are sanctioned by the “LEFT” folks. I know, my wife worked with them for over 20 years as a GS Leader, and spent a good portion of her time trying to UNDO some of the damage they were doing.... She finally had enough and gave up a few years back. She said, “Never again”.
Giuliani = Liberal
Has our Party gone the way of the dinosaurs?
Have we lost our values?
If we elect a man who supports gay rights and is pro-choice, we can no longer call ourselves conservative. Have we sunk so low that we would elect a person who dresses in drag? Marches in gay pride parades? Giuliani is a liberal running as a conservative. He's pro-amnesty, pro-gun control, and pro-gay. He is intelligent and has governed New York City successfully, BUT he is not a true conservative by any measure. Conservatives wake up?
God help us if we elect a liberal.
I can’t see images posted on FR due to blocking from the government. Which is probably good. However, I understand that Rudy did that as part of a SNL skit.
So... just so you know, I have no plans to vote for Rudy. Unless he ends up being the “Conservative candidate” (I’ll vote for Ron Paul if he gets it). I’ll vote for ANY of the alleged Republicans BEFORE I will vote for Hillary or Obama. Period.
But, using a TV skit as a reason to not vote for him is LAME :)
And Merry Christmas
Oh yeah, GO FRED!!!!
BTW WHY are you bringing Giuliani into this anyway????
Interesting. But I thought oral agreements can be binding too.
I must have a strong stomach, then, because I wasn't particularly bothered by the repeated statements that private organizations aren't automatically entitled to government subsidies.
The Scouts built and paid for the building. They donated the building to the city with the understanding that they would be able to rent it for $1. I hardly call that a gov’t subsidy. Shame on the city for trying to force little boys to accept homosexuality as normal. SHAME SHAME SHAME...... What that gov’t is subsidizing is perversity and its resulting human tragedies.
Ah. In that case I think the Scouts should get their building back. I'm still not disturbed by the comments.
Hmm, I’m rechecking the article and looking at a few others, and so far I don’t see anything about the Scouts having donated the building to the city. Do you have a source for that?
I'm not the poster you addressed, but the stated goal of The Stonewall Veterans Association, and what separates them from Act Up, is a desire to eliminate age of consent laws and integrate groups like NAMBLA into the larger homosexual community. It dovetails exactly with the thread topic.
“Approximately 15 years ago I stopped donating to the United Way. My employer was upset...”
Same experience here. My employer wanted me to act as a UW coordinator for my company. I told him I wouldn’t and politely explained my differences with the organization. I could read his dissappointment because I wasn’t willing to play along.
Doris Lessing is a British writer who won the 2007 Nobel Prize in Literature.
Doris Lessing on political correctness: “Political correctness is the natural continuum from the party line. What we are seeing once again is a self-appointed group of vigilantes imposing their views on others. It is a heritage of communism, but they dont seem to see this.”
Those commenting on the article frequently cite discrimination against homosexuals, and don’t understand why society traditionally discourages this behavior. According to a PDF file (a62375_eng.pdf) from the World Health Organization, “Sex between men frequenly involves anal intercourse, which carries a very high risk of HIV transmission for the receptive partner, and a significant risk, though a lesser one, for the insertive partner...” I fear that we will be finding out through practical experience that it is healthy for society to stigmatize this behavior.
In addition, according to the US Centers for Disease Control at http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/msm/ , in a 2004 ‘Dear Colleague’ letter, “Men who have sex with men (MSM) are at increased risk for multiple sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) including human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) infection/Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome (AIDS), syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia, hepatitis B and hepatitis A.”
Left-wing people will claim that all of this shows why we need gay marriage without considering that homosexuals are not interested in supporting monogamy. They deny that Boy Scouts would be at increased risk for molestation. I’m wondering what would change their point of view. How do you get through to them?