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Giuliani Hits a Rocky Stretch as Voting Approaches
NY Times ^ | 24 December 2007 | By ADAM NAGOURNEY

Posted on 12/24/2007 4:39:11 AM PST by shrinkermd

HAMPTON, N.H. — Rudolph W. Giuliani has entered a turbulent period in his campaign for the Republican presidential nomination, marked by what his aides acknowledge are missteps, sharp shifts in strategy and evidence that reports about his personal life have hurt his national standing.

A $3 million investment in radio and television advertising in New Hampshire, a belated effort to become competitive in this state, is now viewed by the campaign as a largely wasted expenditure.

A Boston Globe poll published Sunday found that support for Mr. Giuliani had dropped in New Hampshire over the past month, even before any fallout from the decision on Wednesday by an ailing Mr. Giuliani to have his campaign plane turn around and take him back to St. Louis, where he spent the night in the hospital.

Some of Mr. Giuliani’s advisers are frustrated at the extent to which his decision not to compete aggressively in Iowa has pushed him to the side of the stage at a moment when the political world’s attention is focused on the caucuses there that will kick off the election season in less than two weeks.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: autocrat; giuliani; giulianitruthfile; gungrabber; polls; rinorudy; sickofrudy

1 posted on 12/24/2007 4:39:13 AM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

Rudy’s policy positions alienate a huge group of Republicans, and his messy personal life alienates many more.

These are solid points of attack by Democrats when the campaign season actually begins.

Rudy will lose.

It is a terrible mistake to put him at the head of the Republican ticket.


2 posted on 12/24/2007 4:52:19 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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To: shrinkermd
His aides declined to provide details of what had happened ... The situation grew even more muddled when Mr. Giuliani disputed what his campaign had said about his condition, saying that in fact he had been suffering from a severe headache..

Rooty said it was the worse headache he ever had. Maybe he has a brain tumor?

3 posted on 12/24/2007 5:32:58 AM PST by Condor51 (I wouldn't vote for Rooty under any circumstance -- even if Waterboarded!)
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To: xzins
Rudy’s policy positions alienate a huge group of Republicans, and his messy personal life alienates many more.

The same could be said for McCain.

Huckabee's personal and family lives appear to be clean, but his history of accepting or soliciting gifts and fat consultancy fees while governor stain his integrity, and his mindless class-warfare rhetoric puts him to the left of Hillary.

The half-hearted Fred Thompson is paying the price for waiting to write his term paper until a half hour before the end-of-semester deadline.

Romney's personal, family, and business lives are spotlessly clean and unimpeachably socially and fiscally conservative, but he has been governor of the most liberal state in the union and has raised the distrust and suspicions of many conservatives who like what they hear but don't like who they're hearing it from.

Meanwhile, money is a HUGE problem going into the general election and any Republican candidate will be hard-pressed to match the Democrat candidate, whoever that might be.

Romney and Giuliani have demonstrated the best ability to raise money and grind out the long, hard days and nights on the campaign trail (Romney is benefited by being able to place some of this burden on his enthusiastic and loyal wife and five sons). But both men have problems with positions (Giuliani) or trust (Romney).

It's a mess, alright.

4 posted on 12/24/2007 5:40:51 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: xzins; calcowgirl; Condor51; Spiff; tear gas; George W. Bush; Miss Didi; ken5050; ARE SOLE
EXCERPT: Giuliani was acting on the recommendation of Ken Mehlman, former RNC chair....

OMG, don't these people ever learn? Mehlman was kicked out of the RNC for engineering the Repub debacle of Nov 2006. That disaster occurred in no small part from Mehlman sending Giuliani across the country to campaign for Repubs.

Conservatives were appalled to see abortion worshipping, gun-grabbing, gay-loving Giuliani hustling votes on THEIR campaign trail........and responsed accordingly.

Course Mehlman's really bright idea was for Rudy to rack up campaign chits of winning candidates that Rudy would cash in as the 2008 candidate. That never happened b/c all the candidates lost, thanks to Ridy.

And let's not forget.........this was BEFORE voters found out Rudy was porkng his mistress on the taxpayers' dime, that he had super-secret global business doings and that Kerik, Rudy's driver, bodyguard, and Police Commissioner (in that order) was a mobbed-up tax evader who lied to the WH.

5 posted on 12/24/2007 5:44:47 AM PST by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: shrinkermd

Guilianni supposedly has his “firewall” in Florida. I’ve been utterly untouched by his campaign here in S. Florida. Haven’t seen a bumper sticker, had a call, recieved an e-mail, nothing, bupkiss, nada.


6 posted on 12/24/2007 5:48:06 AM PST by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: Liz
Good morning....

Most excellent rant, again...

However, I must point out that"porking his mistress" is a redundant turn of phrase..

in that the noun presumes the verb...

Oh, yeah...Merry Christmas!!!

7 posted on 12/24/2007 5:49:03 AM PST by ken5050
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To: Greg F
I’ve been utterly untouched by his campaign here in S. Florida. Haven’t seen a bumper sticker, had a call, recieved an e-mail, nothing, bupkiss, nada.

Not even television or radio ads?

Has any Republican candidate been working South Florida visibly and hard yet? I would think SOMEONE would be trying to stake out early strategic ground there.

8 posted on 12/24/2007 5:54:24 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: JCEccles

I’ve seen Ron Paul workers at a 4th of July event and Ron Paul bumper stickers. I’ve heard that Thompson and Guilianni were in town from friends and I heard that Hunter and I think Brownback were going to the Latin politicians conference. That’s the extent of it. No radio adverts on the stations I listen to, no TV ads yet.


9 posted on 12/24/2007 5:56:47 AM PST by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: ken5050
However, I must point out that"porking his mistress" is a redundant turn of phrase..

Dang, I guess I better refrain from my fav then - "shagging his side-b*tch" ;-)

Merry Christmas!!!!!

10 posted on 12/24/2007 5:58:48 AM PST by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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To: shrinkermd
sharp shifts in strategy

Codewords for "Flip Flops" ?

and evidence that reports about his personal life have hurt his national standing.

Cross dressin don't go over big in the heartland huh ?
11 posted on 12/24/2007 6:09:20 AM PST by festus (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: Liz; JCEccles; Jim Robinson
And let's not forget.........this was BEFORE voters found out Rudy was porkng his mistress on the taxpayers' dime, that he had super-secret global business doings and that Kerik, Rudy's driver, bodyguard, and Police Commissioner (in that order) was a mobbed-up tax evader who lied to the WH.

Great summary, Liz. It should be turned into an internet handbill and mailed to every Republican email account in America.

In the meantime, Rudy's taken the gloves off and gone to bed with a headache and flu.

JCEccles, you're right about absenteeism on Thompson's part. But it is also true of Duncan Hunter. He's been there throughout, but just doesn't seem to have the desire to enter the ring and cause a ruckus that will get him some name recognition.

So, the only 3 with gloves on 2 weeks before the first vote are McCain, Huckabee, and Romney.

It makes me plumb sick to my conservative stomach.

12 posted on 12/24/2007 6:20:44 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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To: shrinkermd

The perfect Christmas present: Rudi and Hillary both getting their doors blown off in Iowa.


13 posted on 12/24/2007 6:23:36 AM PST by RetiredArmy (Better prepare, come Nov 08, we have a Marxist Commissar President and Marxist Congress.)
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To: festus

I feel just like I did that time when Dole got the nomination:WHAT WERE YOU THINKING???
Romney, Rudy, Huck, McCain-—NONE of them are right for the GOP!
We need a “plan B”. I like Fred, but the whole damn party seems to want to damn him with faint praise.
SO—’Ya got any better ideas??


14 posted on 12/24/2007 6:24:49 AM PST by Flintlock
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To: xzins
Hunter needed a crystallizing event or emergent core constituency--something to pull him out of the background noise. The man has amazing conservative bona fides and a matchless personal story (especially his military connections).

Sadly, it just never happened.

15 posted on 12/24/2007 6:25:07 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: JCEccles

It ain’t over till the fat lady sings


16 posted on 12/24/2007 6:27:34 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Flintlock; JCEccles

Brokered convention and draft Cheney.

He would have been my favorite, anyway, if he’d run. Maybe the party can beg him to do it.


17 posted on 12/24/2007 6:28:49 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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To: ken5050; Liz
*** Most excellent rant, again... However, I must point out that "porking his mistress" is a redundant turn of phrase.. in that the noun presumes the verb...***

Excuse me for butting in but since the subject is Rooty, not necessarily.

Considering his 'over active libido' (per judi) he could've been 'porking' a Blow-up Doll add in his (cough) morals, it could be a small Farm Animal. Neither of which would be categorized as a 'mistress'.

Ergo, "porking his mistress" would be correct.

18 posted on 12/24/2007 6:42:21 AM PST by Condor51 (I wouldn't vote for Rooty under any circumstance -- even if Waterboarded!)
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To: Condor51

and how do you really feel...? (g)

Merry Christmas!!


19 posted on 12/24/2007 6:48:03 AM PST by ken5050
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To: commish; Liz
Liz has a superb ability to string together some most excellent invective when it comes to Rooty..She can spew a well turned venomous phrase, spiked with alliteration..

Do either of you remember "Deb"..who rarely posts nowadays? She was the absolute best...could destroy people in a flame war with two keystrokes..

20 posted on 12/24/2007 6:51:38 AM PST by ken5050
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To: xzins
It is a terrible mistake to put him at the head of the Republican ticket.

No question about it. The best way to elect Hillary (even with her high negatives)--is to nominate a LIBERAL that splits and divides the Party wide open--while demoralizing the base. No one does that better than a liberal like Rudy. No one.

Ref. his headache--I bet he got it as he was looking as his latest drop in the polls (as he realizes that he phoney attempt to pretend to be a conservative isn't working and voters are FINALLY starting to realize how LIBERAL he really is)...lol

21 posted on 12/24/2007 6:58:31 AM PST by stockstrader (We need a conservative who will UNITE the Party, not a liberal who will DIVIDE it!)
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To: xzins
Rudy's "big state" strategy isn't going to work. He knew he was toast in IA and NH, as well as all of the other states preceding it.

Might as well get out of the race and profit some more off of 9/11.

22 posted on 12/24/2007 7:02:07 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Congratulations Brett Favre! All-time NFL leader in career passing yards)
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To: Condor51; ken5050
Excuse me for butting in (on the subject of Rooty porking his mistress)............

"Excuse me for butting in........ "

Hmmmmmmm.......that sounds like something Kerik might have said when he was on security detail while Mayor Rooty was busy porking Jooty.

Rooty ordered the NYPD to stand around while he was cutting the mustard with Jooty.

Kerik was Rooty's hand-picked Police Chief ---maybe Kerik got to lick the jar when Rooty was done with it.

23 posted on 12/24/2007 7:07:53 AM PST by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: stockstrader; Extremely Extreme Extremist

I agree there was something odd about the way Rudy’s “headache” was handled. I’d say they went to the war room looking for a strategy at desperation time.

My problem is that neither Romney, nor Huckabee, nor McCain excite me in the least. I felt exactly the same about Dole.

These all “lusted after liberaldom” in their hearts.

(Lusting after a woman = adultery....Jesus, ca 33 AD)


24 posted on 12/24/2007 7:10:53 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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To: Liz
EXCERPT: Giuliani was acting on the recommendation of Ken Mehlman, former RNC chair....

'Kenny Boy' and Rooty are a perfect fit (no not 'that' way) (snicker). Rooty has signed up RINOs in every state. His Point Man in IL is ubber Liberal Ron Gidwitz (can't even call him a RINO). Gidwitz is best buds with - surprise - Mayor Daley of Chicago. Gidwitz ran for Gov and got trounced in the Primary with like 2%. All his ties to Daley came out and that was it for him.

This is the kind of team Rooty is putting together and this reflects on what his cabinet would look like -- AND what kind of judges he'd pick; Liberals, liberals and more liberals.

25 posted on 12/24/2007 7:12:35 AM PST by Condor51 (I wouldn't vote for Rooty under any circumstance -- even if Waterboarded!)
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To: ken5050; commish; Condor51
Liz has a superb ability to string together some most excellent invective when it comes to Rooty......She can spew a well turned venomous phrase, spiked with alliteration.

(Blush), why that is the BEST compliment I ever got.

Many, many thanks. I will try hard to live up to your confidence in my venomous invective abilities.

26 posted on 12/24/2007 7:12:45 AM PST by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: shrinkermd
One of the key questions from the start of his entry into the race has been the extent to which Mr. Giuliani would open up this circle — a small, rarely changing circle of hard-driving New Yorkers, known for tough language and tough tactics — to advisers with national experience.

That statement from the article tells you a lot about Rudy. He has not opened up his campaign much at all.

That's just what we need in the White House--a bunch of LIBERAL BULLIES to help further Rudy's liberal social agenda (not to mention all his liberal buddies that he would appoint throughout his administration). He would have lots and lots of bi-partisan cooperation for his agenda. No thanks.

27 posted on 12/24/2007 7:15:43 AM PST by stockstrader (We need a conservative who will UNITE the Party, not a liberal who will DIVIDE it!)
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To: Liz
*** Kerik was Rooty's hand-picked Police Chief ---maybe Kerik got to lick the jar when Rooty was done with it. ****

Eeeeewwwwww. I don't even want to try to envision that.

;-)

28 posted on 12/24/2007 7:19:01 AM PST by Condor51 (I wouldn't vote for Rooty under any circumstance -- even if Waterboarded!)
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To: Condor51
'Kenny Boy' and Rooty are a perfect fit (no not 'that' way)......

Now, let's reconsider that----did you know Kenny recently said he was "neutral?" Course lot of people think Kenny actually meant he got "neutered" (this was AFTER he got back from buying satin sheet sets at Bed, Bath and Beyond).

The new Kenny:

"G'ahead! Make my day, Republicans!"

29 posted on 12/24/2007 7:21:37 AM PST by Liz (l)
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Note to Rudy: Just in case you missed it, I do not want you to be elected president, or be the standard bearer for the republican party.

Please just retire from politics and join a big law firm.


30 posted on 12/24/2007 7:24:36 AM PST by Preachin' (Enoch's testimony was that he pleased God: Why are we still here?)
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To: JCEccles

Here in central Florida we’ve gotten one call from the Giuliani campaign asking if we’d consider voting for him. Uh, no thanks. We’ve also received one Giuliani mailer, a post card playing up his “strong leadership.”

I’ve noticed two Thompson, two Romney, one Ron Paul, and one Hillary bumpersticker, the latter on an ‘80s vintage Volvo. I had to laugh.

As for signage, I’ve seen one Romney in a front yard and the Paul people have put hand-lettered signs all over the place and bumper stickers on the telephone polls, which people have been complaining about on local talk radio as a eyesore.

Outside of the politically obsessed like myself, people still aren’t paying much attention, if the dearth of campaign material is any indication.


31 posted on 12/24/2007 7:44:35 AM PST by LadyNavyVet (An independent Freeper, not paid by any political campaign.)
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To: Flintlock
SO—’Ya got any better ideas??

I've been thinkin about running.........
32 posted on 12/24/2007 7:44:54 AM PST by festus (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: xzins
Brokered convention and draft Cheney.

How about General Patreaus?

33 posted on 12/24/2007 7:56:33 AM PST by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: Liz
I had a long post I just erased. I don't want to get anyone in trouble or myself banned.

Just recall that the LA Times leaked its sitting on a major sex scandal about a candidate. I don't think its what the Enquirer printed about Edwards. If it was there's no reason for the LA Times to sit on it now.

That's all I can say.

34 posted on 12/24/2007 8:01:54 AM PST by Condor51 (I wouldn't vote for Rooty under any circumstance -- even if Waterboarded!)
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To: Condor51

Must be about a Dim-—media is not so constrained with Repubs-—they love to print Repub dirt. Would never hold it back.


35 posted on 12/24/2007 8:15:12 AM PST by Liz (l)
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To: Greg F

If we draft Petraeus, we’ll have to have the guy who saved his life as his running mate.


36 posted on 12/24/2007 8:34:33 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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To: Liz
****Must be about a Dim-—media is not so constrained with Repubs-—they love to print Repub dirt. Would never hold it back.****

I expect it to released right before the mega Primaries, like Friday Feb 1st. Or sooner for FL's Jan 29th(?) primary.

In any case they'll do it on a date for max damage, with no time to recover. 'That candidate' will be done for - forever.

37 posted on 12/24/2007 9:07:37 AM PST by Condor51 (I wouldn't vote for Rooty under any circumstance -- even if Waterboarded!)
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To: shrinkermd

Great news. I hope Julieannie falls to “rock” bottom.


38 posted on 12/24/2007 9:18:44 AM PST by conservative blonde (Let's call the Jr. Senator from Illinois by his full name, Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: conservative blonde

 

Giuliani  = Liberal

Has our Party gone the way of the dinosaurs?
Have we lost our values?

If we elect a man who supports gay rights and is pro-choice, we can no longer call ourselves conservative.  Have we sunk so low that we would elect a person who dresses in drag?  Marches in gay pride parades?   Giuliani is a liberal running as a conservative.  He's pro-amnesty, pro-gun control, and pro-gay.  He is intelligent and has governed New York City successfully, BUT he is not a true conservative by any measure.  Conservatives wake up?
God help us if we elect a liberal
.


Giuliani in drag

 

 


Giuliani in drag

39 posted on 12/24/2007 10:57:52 AM PST by glmjr
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To: JCEccles
Here is a very convincing youtube ad that shows just what Romney can and will do...

Mitt Romney Campaign Ad
40 posted on 12/24/2007 9:35:31 PM PST by Fred (The Demoroid Party is the Nadir of Nilhilism)
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To: Condor51
Bookmarking this thread right here and now, for if Rudy Giuliani succeeds in gaining the Republican Nomination for 2008, and there is a legitimate Conservative third party or independent alternative with ballot access on enough states in theory to give him electoral votes to win (regardless of the polls), I am NOT going to rationalize and vote for Rudy.

I will state it right here and now, so I am not seduced by the inevitbable "Oh my, but you will elect Hillary (or Obama)!" or some such other RNC-inspired situational ethics scare-tatic nonsense in the Fall of next year and/or on FR (no doubt).

BOOKMARKED. 26 December 2007

41 posted on 12/25/2007 11:17:56 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo ("But...but...but...he can't WIN!" (Glad to see you bought into the Lib/MSM brainwashing))
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