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Menino: Hub cop who hit his girlfriend a ‘coward’
Boston Herald ^ | Monday, December 24, 2007 | By O’Ryan Johnson

Posted on 12/24/2007 9:47:52 AM PST by ninonitti

Boston Mayor Thomas M. Menino says the Boston police lieutenant who is serving 18 months court-ordered probation for punching his girlfriend off a Baltimore barstool is a “coward.”

“(Police Commissioner Edward) Davis has assured the mayor that he will do everything in his power to hold this coward accountable for his actions,” said Menino’s spokeswoman, Dot Joyce. “Domestic violence is a huge problem in our society. No one should be able to get away with raising a hand to anyone, especially a defenseless woman.”

Lt. David Murphy was suspended for 30 days on Dec. 19 but will only serve five of those days under an agreement worked out with the department. He is expected to return to work this week. He has been on paid leave since his April arrest in Baltimore for second-degree assault. A Maryland judge found him guilty and issued a probation before judgment order against Murphy.

“Murphy will have a criminal record but not a criminal conviction at the end of his probation term,” said Margaret T. Burns, director of communications with the Baltimore city state’s attorney’s office.

“The guilty finding will not stand after his successful completion of the probation.”

Davis said the department could fire Murphy without a conviction, but city lawyers told him they would undoubtedly lose the case at a civil service appeal and would be forced to write a check for missed pay, including details.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Maryland; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: boston; donutwatch; leo; menino; police
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There is just so much here I don't know where to begin.

How about he is getting away with raising his hand to a woman Dot only Menino doesn't have the cujones to hold him accountable?

How bout he loses his right to carry after a domestic violence conviction.

How bout it might be worth the money to get this bad cop off the force.

1 posted on 12/24/2007 9:47:54 AM PST by ninonitti
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To: ninonitti
"Murphy will have a criminal record but not a criminal conviction at the end of his probation term."

How the ^@#$#@#!# does that work?
2 posted on 12/24/2007 9:50:07 AM PST by LIConFem (Thompson. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter Lifetime ACU Rating: 92 (any combo will do, fellas))
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To: ninonitti

How about the woman being armed and blowing him away? All problems solved.


3 posted on 12/24/2007 9:50:34 AM PST by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: ninonitti
There is just so much here I don't know where to begin. How about he is getting away with raising his hand to a woman Dot only Menino doesn't have the cujones to hold him accountable?

Union protection

How bout he loses his right to carry after a domestic violence conviction.

This actually happens. Problem is a scorned biatch can make accusations that stain an honest cop's career

How bout it might be worth the money to get this bad cop off the force.

Union protection

4 posted on 12/24/2007 9:51:54 AM PST by misterrob (15 down, 4 more til the Pats win the SB again.)
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To: ninonitti
How bout he loses his right to carry after a domestic violence conviction.

That's the first thing I thought also. Convicted of domestic violence he should be losing his right to own a firearm for life. Yet alone being an officer. Talk about double standards.

Merry Christmas.

5 posted on 12/24/2007 9:52:20 AM PST by beltfed308 (Rudy: When you absolutely,positively need a liberal for President.)
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To: ninonitti
How bout he loses his right to carry after a domestic violence conviction.

I was under the impression that anyone convicted of a violent act was hereafter prohibited from carrying a gun?

Is that why the confusing "“Murphy will have a criminal record but not a criminal conviction at the end of his probation term,”

This "gander' should not be reinstated.

6 posted on 12/24/2007 9:52:24 AM PST by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all the time" LINCOLN)
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To: ninonitti

http://navlog.org/menino_madness.html


7 posted on 12/24/2007 9:54:13 AM PST by pabianice
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To: basil
Interesting that you advocate murder as a response to battery.

(Since her life was not in imminent danger by getting punched off of a barstool, she has no self-deefnse claim.)

8 posted on 12/24/2007 10:04:40 AM PST by Teacher317 (Eta kuram na smekh)
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To: Teacher317; basil
"Since her life was not in imminent danger by getting punched off of a barstool, she has no self-deefnse claim"

LOL! So, that means he's entitled to a free punch, regardless of how many teeth end up missing, or whether her head splits open when it hits the floor?

9 posted on 12/24/2007 10:12:10 AM PST by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: ninonitti

It sounds to me as if Lt Murphy has violated his probation. The governor of Maryland ought to be asking Doff-al Paptrick for his extradition.


10 posted on 12/24/2007 10:14:39 AM PST by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: Teacher317; basil
A person is entitled to use reasonable force in self defense. I guessed before I clicked that you were from a yankee state.

You are a teacher? You've got a couple of weeks off. Do some research on the difference between murder, manslaughter, and justifiable homicide over the break.

11 posted on 12/24/2007 10:15:32 AM PST by PAR35
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To: ninonitti
He has been on paid leave since his April arrest in Baltimore for second-degree assault.

His punishment to date? An eight month paid vacation.

12 posted on 12/24/2007 10:21:48 AM PST by 6SJ7
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To: LIConFem
How the ^@#$#@#!# does that work?

Follow the Thin Blue Line.

13 posted on 12/24/2007 10:24:42 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (How come the winner of the Miss Universe Pageant always comes from Earth?)
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To: misterrob
Problem is a scorned biatch can make accusations that stain an honest cop's career

Maybe you haven't followed story, but Murphy publicly coldcocked his girlfriend in a Baltimore bar.

The judge felt that was enough for an A&B conviction.

She didn't think enough of herself to press the case so at least in this instance we're not talking about a "scorned biatch" ruining someone's career.

Murphy is doing a pretty good job of it all by himself.....

14 posted on 12/24/2007 10:27:40 AM PST by ninonitti
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To: Teacher317
Interesting that you advocate murder as a response to battery.

If he got shot while he was actually engaged in committing the battery, that is not murder, it's a justifiable act of self-defense.

15 posted on 12/24/2007 10:28:11 AM PST by HAL9000 (Fred Thompson/Mike Huckabee 2008)
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To: ninonitti

What is a hub cop?


16 posted on 12/24/2007 10:30:43 AM PST by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: ninonitti

I was responding to the sense of absolutism here. My bro worked Boston PD for 7-8 years and he knew more than a few guys that had their jobs jammed up over vengeful ex. They weren’t beaters, just guys who didn’t pony up enough support or didn’t see eye to eye with some women any longer. It doesn’t always take much for someone to get in trouble on a domestic charge.

In this case though this guy should be fired from the job.


17 posted on 12/24/2007 10:36:44 AM PST by misterrob (15 down, 4 more til the Pats win the SB again.)
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To: gitmo
What is a hub cop?

Hehehe one of the locals nicknames for Boston is the "Hub" as in Hub of the Universe.

The fact that they have Kennedy, Kerry and guys like Menino running around loose begs the question: Which universe?

18 posted on 12/24/2007 10:40:37 AM PST by ninonitti
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To: ninonitti

Another tawdry tale from the land of barflies and drunks. He punches her, she stabs him, blah, blah, balh.


19 posted on 12/24/2007 10:53:49 AM PST by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: ninonitti

OK. But “Hub Cop” sounds vaguely obscene somehow.


20 posted on 12/24/2007 10:57:25 AM PST by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: misterrob
In this case though this guy should be fired from the job

That's what I see as the real story here: who's the coward?

The cop or the mayor and commissioner who can't sack up to can him??

21 posted on 12/24/2007 10:58:10 AM PST by ninonitti
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To: LIConFem
How the ^@#$#@#!# does that work?

It comes under the cops can do no wrong and are not ever to be held accountable for their actions rule. I'm sure the jackboot lickers will explain it to you when they show up.

22 posted on 12/24/2007 11:00:44 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: ninonitti

Brave new world, cops just love fellow wife beating cops.


23 posted on 12/24/2007 11:25:51 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: ninonitti

Why did he do it? Is she still with him?


24 posted on 12/24/2007 11:31:48 AM PST by stevem
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To: ninonitti
Murphy and his girlfriend, whose name is being withheld by the Herald, were in Baltimore to watch the Red Sox and Orioles on April 26, but had a spat during the game, police said. She retreated alone to the James Joyce Pub, where Murphy later joined her. Murphy “arched his right hand back and punched the white female in the face,” the police report said. “She fell to the ground after falling off the stool at the bar. . . . The white male fled to Marriott Water Front . . . where he was arrested for the assault.”

Boston won, so I guess it wasn't all that bad for him. Plus he got to smack the spit out of the ho for gving him lip, so to speak.

25 posted on 12/24/2007 11:34:49 AM PST by Nonstatist
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To: ninonitti

Union protects their own. Hard to fire civil service guys.


26 posted on 12/24/2007 11:38:19 AM PST by misterrob (15 down, 4 more til the Pats win the SB again.)
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To: ninonitti

Can’t he at least be demoted. Seems to me the “hub” could use a proven woman beater for pounding the beat in Roxbury.


27 posted on 12/24/2007 11:38:52 AM PST by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice.)
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To: ninonitti

28 posted on 12/24/2007 11:42:00 AM PST by raccoonradio
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To: misterrob

Another reason to despise unions. Is there a unions suck ping list?


29 posted on 12/24/2007 11:45:00 AM PST by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: Teacher317

“(Since her life was not in imminent danger by getting punched off of a barstool, she has no self-deefnse claim.)”

A great difference in physical size and ability between men and women can stand as justification for her using a gun.

But even absent that i’d say a sudden, vicious punch is justification for ANYONE drawing and fireing even.


30 posted on 12/24/2007 12:07:18 PM PST by TalBlack
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To: ninonitti

This POS made 169K last year on a 68K salary. He is probably connected to the right people. I doubt there is that much need for OT for a Lt.. I thought rank in most places were on professional contracts not hourly?


31 posted on 12/24/2007 12:21:16 PM PST by A Strict Constructionist (We have become an oligarchy not a Republic.)
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To: A Strict Constructionist
This POS made 169K last year on a 68K salary

It's called Paid Police Details in Massachusetts, shorthand for organized extortion by the police.

Anyone doing road construction has to hire an off-duty cop at about $40 an hour to "oversee" the worksite, direct traffic, sleep in "his" cruiser etc.

This along with paid court appearances (read arrest incentive program)helps some cops top 200k a year.

32 posted on 12/24/2007 1:58:45 PM PST by ninonitti
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To: ninonitti
It's called Paid Police Details in Massachusetts, shorthand for organized extortion by the police.

And the jackboot lickers (and occasional jbt) that post here wonder why the police are frequently bashed on the forum.

33 posted on 12/24/2007 5:21:31 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: the_devils_advocate_666
"Another reason to despise unions. Is there a unions suck ping list?"

There would be, but the boss "don't like no questions ax'ed" and threatened to strike if anti-union posts went up.

34 posted on 12/24/2007 5:29:06 PM PST by boop
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To: misterrob
They weren’t beaters, just guys who didn’t pony up enough support or didn’t see eye to eye with some women any longer. It doesn’t always take much for someone to get in trouble on a domestic charge

That was *their* story. Police get into stressful situations and some of them take their stress out on their wives.

35 posted on 12/24/2007 5:38:07 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: ladyjane

A lot of these guys score women because of the uniform. They make bad choices and wind up with women that are nothing to write home about.

And that’s before you even get to the cops’ bs......


36 posted on 12/24/2007 6:13:58 PM PST by misterrob (15 down, 4 more til the Pats win the SB again.)
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To: misterrob
They make bad choices and wind up with women that are nothing to write home about.

Likewise with the women who marry uniforms without understanding that what they are doing is acting out unconscious scripts - some wake up and some like Murphy's girlfriend stay under the ether.

37 posted on 12/25/2007 3:16:19 AM PST by ninonitti
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To: ninonitti

These guys have high rates of drug and alcohol abuse, they become emotionally shut down and hard. They also see the worst that society has to offer and it rubs off on them.

Still, Chicks dig the uniform.


38 posted on 12/25/2007 4:47:27 AM PST by misterrob (15 down, 4 more til the Pats win the SB again.)
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To: ninonitti; Abundy; Albion Wilde; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; bayliving; BFM; cindy-true-supporter; ...

Misogynist Masshole in Maryland “Freak State” PING!


39 posted on 12/25/2007 6:14:20 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Tagline auction at this location, 01/01/2008)
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To: Teacher317
(Since her life was not in imminent danger by getting punched off of a barstool, she has no self-deefnse claim.)

I suppose that after excusing the one free punch, she does have a self-defense claim if he proceeds to batter her with her barstool?

40 posted on 12/25/2007 6:17:35 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Tagline auction at this location, 01/01/2008)
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To: TalBlack
But even absent that i’d say a sudden, vicious punch is justification for ANYONE drawing and firing even.

Okaaaaay... but don't count on a jury agreeing with you.

(How sad that so many people are so eager to take the life of another.)

41 posted on 12/26/2007 3:11:58 AM PST by Teacher317 (Eta kuram na smekh)
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To: PAR35
A person is entitled to use reasonable force in self defense. I guessed before I clicked that you were from a yankee state... Do some research on the difference between murder, manslaughter, and justifiable homicide over the break.

"Reasonable" is the operative word there, my friend. Firing shots is NOT a reasonable response to simply being punched once. No matter your home state, you might wish to read a few law books and case histories before rushing out to blow away some drunkard who just cold-cocked you.

42 posted on 12/26/2007 3:16:18 AM PST by Teacher317 (Eta kuram na smekh)
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To: spunkets
So, that means he's entitled to a free punch, regardless of how many teeth end up missing, or whether her head splits open when it hits the floor?

Not at all, but the response must be reasonable and proportionate. A bullet for a punch is neither reasonable nor proportionate in most circumstances or in most states. A punch for a punch... or even swinging a barstool or beerstein in response to a punch... is far more likely to be seen as proportional and reasonable. Even in extremely gun-friendly states, there are virtually zero instances where a court considered gunfire as an appropriate response to fists.

43 posted on 12/26/2007 3:20:22 AM PST by Teacher317 (Eta kuram na smekh)
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To: HAL9000
If he got shot while he was actually engaged in committing the battery, that is not murder, it's a justifiable act of self-defense.

No, he isn't. There is far more that is required by the law before it is justifiable. There must be an imminent danger of a life-threatening injury, before a "defense of self or others" claim may be made. (However, most states also allow a lethal response to rape.)

If a man pushes you for flirting with his wife (which is battery... the push, not the flirtation, LOL), that does not legally allow you to terminate his life.

44 posted on 12/26/2007 3:25:25 AM PST by Teacher317 (Eta kuram na smekh)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I suppose that after excusing the one free punch, she does have a self-defense claim if he proceeds to batter her with her barstool?

You suppose incorrectly. My response was for the situation where she was punched off of a barstool. Once he upgrades the situation to bludgeoning with a heavy instrument, all bets are off. However, I did not read where that happened in this situation... and I doubt that the court would have given him probation before judgment if that had been the case.

45 posted on 12/26/2007 3:28:37 AM PST by Teacher317 (Eta kuram na smekh)
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To: Teacher317
There is far more that is required by the law before it is justifiable.

That may be the black letter of the law, but I doubt that a jury here would convict someone who used a firearm to stop a man from battering a woman in an unprovoked attack in public, unless there was some extraordinary mitigating circumstance.

46 posted on 12/26/2007 3:48:57 AM PST by HAL9000 (Fred Thompson/Mike Huckabee 2008)
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To: Teacher317
“Okaaaaay... but don’t count on a jury agreeing with you.”

If you think one punch can’t kill then you haven’t been paying attention.

If you think a punch vicious enough to send you sprawling (and a sucker punch, no less)can’t kill you, then you live in TV land and your connection with reality is nebulous at best.

If you think any armed person must take such savage and unprovoked abuse without a right to draw and fire then you are a moral preening ass.

Ever been attacked out of the blue in this way? Ever been sucker punched? Are you aware of the debilitating effect such a sudden and often unseen blow has upon your coordination, vision, balance, perception of continuity of time. Are you aware of how hard your unprotected head hits the floor?

Are you aware of anything besides what a great, moral guy you are out there in It-never-hurts-them-in-the-movies-land?

47 posted on 12/26/2007 7:48:15 AM PST by TalBlack
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To: org.whodat

“Brave new world, cops just love fellow wife beating cops.”

Maybe this cop was a Muslim, aren’t they supposed to beat their wives?


48 posted on 12/26/2007 7:57:51 AM PST by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: org.whodat; LIConFem; beltfed308; maine-iac7; Bloody Sam Roberts

I pinged each of you because you all either asked how this officer does not have a criminal conviction, or made comments about cops protecting their own.

In MD, one can be granted probation before judgment. It requires a finding of guilt which is then stricken and probation is instituted. The defendant has very, very limited appellate rights if he/she accepts PBJ. Any defense attorney will have their client enter an “Alford” plea, which cannot be used against them at a later date. (the defendant admits that the state could produce the evidence proffered to the court, without commenting on what evidence, if any, the defendant would produce to rebut, and without admitting they are guilty. The court then determines if the un-rebutted evidence is sufficient to find the defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt and enters a finding of guilty without the defendant ever making an admission which could be used in an administrative hearing or civil lawsuit.)

However, there is no conviction, just a length of probation with whatever conditions the judge orders. (incarceration, community service, piss tests, counseling, abstinence, etc...) If one violates the probation and is found in violation then one has a criminal record as the PBJ is stricken.

If one successfully completes the probation, one can then move to expunge all records of the charge after a period of time. (usually immediately, one year in the case of drug convictions)

If expungement is ordered, ALL records must be destroyed - police, parole and probation, State’s Attorney’s files, court files, etc...

So, this guy doesn’t have a criminal conviction, and until he gets an expungement order, the only thing that exists are the court/police/probation/state’s attorney files.

Not sure how the plays into his ability to own/carry a firearm.

I can tell you that the Baltimore City State’s Attorney prosecutes more cops than real criminals so there was no part of the case analysis that included helping out a cop. (hyperbole, but the cops hate the elected SAO down there)

If the victim didn’t want to testify they are lucky they got a guilty plea at all.


49 posted on 12/26/2007 1:38:20 PM PST by Abundy
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To: Abundy
Just hope all his buds are proud to rub shoulders with this pos.
50 posted on 12/26/2007 3:05:12 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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