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Reagan's War, Not Charlie Wilson's
Investor's Business Daily ^ | December 24, 2007 | IBD

Posted on 12/25/2007 12:58:28 AM PST by CutePuppy

Reagan's War, Not Charlie Wilson's

Media Bias: Hollywood would have us believe that Democrats defeated the evil empire in Afghanistan, and that President Reagan played only a minor role and even helped pave the way to 9/11.

If you think Hollywood's idea of a Christmas movie being one about the Soviet defeat in Afghanistan is strange, even stranger is the plot line. "Charlie Wilson's War," which opened Friday, manages to reduce the president who won the Cold War to a background footnote.

Charlie Wilson was a pro-abortion, Equal Rights Amendment-supporting congressman widely known as "the liberal from Lufkin." To his credit, he did play a role in facilitating support to the Afghan mujahadeen. But it is he who should be the historical footnote.

In his book, "Ronald Reagan: The Role of a Lifetime," Lou Cannon notes how Reagan "expressed revulsion of the brutal destruction of Afghan villages and such Soviet policies as the scattering of mines disguised as toys that killed and maimed Afghan children." He did not need much convincing to aid the Afghan resistance.

Cannon credits Undersecretary of Defense Fred Ikle and CIA Director William Casey with allaying any concern that providing Stinger missiles to the mujahadeen might lead to the missiles' capture and copying by the Soviets. Also involved, says Cannon, was a bipartisan coalition "led by Texas Democrat Charlie Wilson in the House and New Hampshire Republican Gordon Humphrey in the Senate."

So you have at least five players, including Reagan, involved — four of them Republican conservatives. Ikle notes: "Senior people in the Reagan administration, the president, Bill Casey, (Defense Secretary Caspar) Weinberger and their aides deserve credit for the successful Afghan covert action program, not just Charlie Wilson." So guess which one Hollywood makes a movie about?

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Charlie Wilson singlehandedly "won" the Afghani mujahideen resistance war against Soviets, Reagan and Bush didn't follow up his victory by failing to provide the money and secure Afghanistan ("nation building") - the lesson of the movie - for those who don't remember or know history, this will now be history according to Aaron Sorkin of "West Wing" fame (just like "JFK" and "Nixon" is now history according to Oliver Stone).

Expect "director's cut" with the scenes cut from the theatrical release - due to pressure by Joanne Herring and Texas legal eagles - showing on cable next summer, during election season when most people will likely see it for the first time - that's how "history" is made.

1 posted on 12/25/2007 12:58:29 AM PST by CutePuppy
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To: CutePuppy
I KNEW there was something fishy about all these libs claiming this was somehow a "pro-war" movie over at AICN, and saying it showed how the US defeated the Soviets.

With Hanks and Roberts, what else could one have expected?

2 posted on 12/25/2007 1:01:18 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist hoping everyone has a Merry CHRISTmas!)
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To: Darkwolf377
With Hanks and Roberts, what else could one have expected?

And the drug-addled Sorkin. Pure Hollywood "docu-fantasy".

3 posted on 12/25/2007 1:12:19 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: CutePuppy
With the retreat of the Red Army from Afghanistan followed by the fall of the Soviet Union, Jimmy Carter’s national security adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, in the last few years has been claiming the U.S. provoked the Afghan War. He said this was done with some grand strategy in mind to bring on the collapse of the Soviets. In other words, it was he and Carter who made the wall come down, not Reagan.
4 posted on 12/25/2007 1:13:34 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: CutePuppy

Julia Roberts reprises her role as the beautiful yet clueless pol girl in Petty Vermin. Tom Hanks shines yet again as the affectating retard.


5 posted on 12/25/2007 1:16:01 AM PST by kinghorse
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To: Lancey Howard

Yeah, when I saw his name I just started laughing at all these AICN posters claiming no, no, it’s something conservatives would love! Only if it was called “I’m Quitting the Business: A True Story of Aaron Sorkin, Tom Hanks, Julia Roberts and other Hollywood Leftists”. :D


6 posted on 12/25/2007 1:17:16 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist hoping everyone has a Merry CHRISTmas!)
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To: CutePuppy
Drug charges against Sorkin upgraded to felonies

...a felony count for possession of "illicit mushrooms," a felony count for possession of cocaine base and a misdemeanor count of possession of marijuana.

7 posted on 12/25/2007 1:18:12 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Brad from Tennessee
In other words, it was he and Carter who made the wall come down, not Reagan.

The only thing that makes that hilarious is that you know they both REALLY believe this, the deluded fools. Carter nightly probably bristles when some reference to Reagan bringing down the wall comes over the TV.

Within a year we will see revisionism of this, ala the "Reagan was a racist" attempt earlier this year; someone will writer a column reflecting what you posted, and someone else will reference it, etc.

My early Christmas present was seeing that documentary about Carter flop without a sound.

8 posted on 12/25/2007 1:20:13 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist hoping everyone has a Merry CHRISTmas!)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Not that you asked, but here's a review buy Roger Ebert of the Carter doc--get ready to hurl--url cut to prevent stretching:

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/

20071101/REVIEWS/711010307/1023

9 posted on 12/25/2007 1:24:01 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist hoping everyone has a Merry CHRISTmas!)
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To: CutePuppy

bookmark


10 posted on 12/25/2007 1:27:30 AM PST by GOP Poet
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To: CutePuppy

My New Year wish is for a film about the Clinton Balkin War, instigated on lies and for political distraction. A war where with our NATO/EU allies we managed to bomb Christian Serbia, our allies in WW 1&2 in order to promote a Terror state on the doorstep to Europe as well as destroy our relationship with Russia.
That would be a good movie!


11 posted on 12/25/2007 2:35:57 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Darkwolf377

The Wikipedia article on Afghanistan presently states that the Soviet invasion of the country was undertaken in reaction to American efforts to bring down the native Communist government.


12 posted on 12/25/2007 2:57:30 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
The Wikipedia article on Afghanistan presently states that the Soviet invasion of the country was undertaken in reaction to American efforts to bring down the native Communist government.

This is active alteration of history, and the sad thing is we have allowed the libs to educate a whole generation of kids to believe this DOES NOT MATTER.

Liberals are good; Conservatives, evil. So anything a Liberal does MUST be good, even if it is altering reality so those evil Conservatives don't look good.

This is what it being taught in our schools. P.S. I am typing this from the school where I work.

13 posted on 12/25/2007 3:00:13 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist hoping everyone has a Merry CHRISTmas!)
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To: CutePuppy

bump


14 posted on 12/25/2007 3:06:43 AM PST by lowbridge
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To: kinghorse
Julia Roberts reprises her role as the beautiful...

I have to stop you right there.


“Republican comes in the dictionary just after reptile and just above repugnant.” Julia Roberts

15 posted on 12/25/2007 3:10:17 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

She just went up a few points in my book — note what’s in her cart: at least she has enough taste to drink Sierra Nevada!


16 posted on 12/25/2007 3:17:06 AM PST by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: CutePuppy

The movie is bombing at the box office so that’s good news.

I have no doubt the movie will get more attention on TNT or some other Turner cable network channel and get more exposure to the uneducated who will buy this drivel as the truth.


17 posted on 12/25/2007 4:02:38 AM PST by WildWeasel
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To: Cincinatus

What’s Sierra Nevada? Is it like root beer? Thanks. and Merry Christmas!


18 posted on 12/25/2007 4:05:34 AM PST by Ken522
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To: Darkwolf377
"Charlie Wilson's War" is said to be based on fact, and I have no reason to doubt that. It stars Tom Hanks as Rep. Charles Wilson, a swinging, hard-drinking, coke-using liberal Democrat from Texas who more or less single-handedly defeated the Russians in Afghanistan. Yes. The Soviets withdrew in 1989, the Berlin Wall fell, the Cold War was over, and Ronald Reagan got all the credit. How could Wilson's operation have taken place without anyone knowing? If Ollie North's activities could, why not these?

So, in other words, if Ollie North's exploits were real so were Wilson's. No proof, no documentation just tie it to North and you're good.

19 posted on 12/25/2007 4:12:53 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: raybbr
They never disappoint in their never-ending re-creation of reality, do they?

If SOMEONE's activities happened without anyone knowing, then POOF! these ones did, too!

That's some logic!

20 posted on 12/25/2007 4:19:53 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist hoping everyone has a Merry CHRISTmas!)
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To: SkyPilot

....my wife is better looking than that when she goes to the grocery store.


21 posted on 12/25/2007 4:44:03 AM PST by STONEWALLS
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To: kinghorse
"Tom Hanks shines yet again as the affectating retard."

Thanks for the the Christmas "coffee sprayer" of the morning!!

22 posted on 12/25/2007 4:49:12 AM PST by n230099 ("If you don't blame the camera for porn, then don't blame the gun for shootings". (Unknown))
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To: CutePuppy

Figures.


23 posted on 12/25/2007 4:53:24 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: SkyPilot

Never would mistake that for a “movie star.” Her hair looks DIRTY!


24 posted on 12/25/2007 5:05:10 AM PST by lonestar
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To: kinghorse

In her role in PW she was 23. 90% of the women out there were gorgous at 23. It’s now 17 years later, she’s 40 and she doesn’t even have good acting skills to fall back on. If here accent was supposed to be Texan then why was it so New Englandy? This movie is just a liberal attempt to take credit for the victory Reagan gave to this country.


25 posted on 12/25/2007 5:05:11 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Before the government can give you a dollar it must first take it from another American)
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To: Cincinatus

Eh, I couldn’t drink Sierra Nevada for the sole reason it would remind me of the envirowhackos everytime I took a drink (Sierra Club).


26 posted on 12/25/2007 5:05:14 AM PST by Blue Highway
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To: CutePuppy

Three other threads about the movie and History Channel documentary if anyone is interested in perusing the comments there on.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1943083/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1935245/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1943812/posts


27 posted on 12/25/2007 5:07:16 AM PST by deport (--- 8 days Iowa Caucuses--- 13 days New Hampshire votes--- [ Meanwhile:-- Cue Spooky Music--])
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To: CutePuppy
hollyweird’s money pot to make these anti-American POS movies is drying up. A few more multi-hundred million dollar boondoggles and blunders and the banks in hollyweird will be broke... but hell will be full to overflowing when the money-men start jumping from buildings.

LLS

28 posted on 12/25/2007 5:08:52 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims and vote Fred!)
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To: SkyPilot

gotta disagree there. i saw her in a NYC restaurant a few years ago. You might not like her politics, but she is absolutely a total babe in person. IMHO


29 posted on 12/25/2007 5:10:41 AM PST by beebuster2000 (choice is not not peace or war, but small war now, or big war later masquerading as peace now.)
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To: CutePuppy

if the lib/dem anti-american lefty sorkin wrote it.....it is nothing more than lib/dem shi-ite!!!!!


30 posted on 12/25/2007 5:11:05 AM PST by nyyankeefan
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To: SkyPilot
She was always a skank... she has not aged well... but EVEN a 1957 Yellow Cab with 10 million miles on it looks good with enough bondo and lacquer applied!

LLS

31 posted on 12/25/2007 5:11:08 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims and vote Fred!)
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To: SkyPilot
If she doesn't look like Steven Tyler in that first picture. I guess this would be the reverse, "(lady lady) lady looks like a dudeeeee (yeah)"


32 posted on 12/25/2007 5:14:49 AM PST by Blue Highway
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To: CutePuppy
I’m pleased for this review although I had no intention of seeing the movie in the first place. Watching anything that has Julia Roberts as part of the cast is cruel and unusual punishment. I think there is a provision against that in the Bill of Rights or somewhere.
33 posted on 12/25/2007 5:22:34 AM PST by stevem
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I too, watched the History Channel’s slant on Charlie Wilson and was glad that I did. It saved me from even entertaining the thought of going to see it in the theaters or buying it when it comes out on DVD.

In my opinion, it should have titled “Joanne Herring’s War”. She played Charlie Wilson weaknesses like a fiddle which led Wilson to play ANOTHER liberal (Doc Long) who held the purse strings to the needed funding.

While Wilson was driving around in a drunken stupor and ending up in a hit and run, she was in Paris setting up things up to bait Doc Long with all the things it takes to entice any corrupt politician, wine, women and excess.

In the end, who really defeated the soviets in Afghanistan? It was same man who broke the back of the Soviet Union and communism...Ronald Reagan.

The acting might be good in this ludicrous depiction of Hollywood’s version of history but it should be labeled “For Entertainment Purposes Only”.

17 posted on 12/23/2007 7:40:49 AM EST by RetSignman (DEMSM: “If you tell a big enough lie, frequently enough, it becomes the truth”


34 posted on 12/25/2007 5:49:35 AM PST by RetSignman (DEMSM: "If you tell a big enough lie, frequently enough, it becomes the truth")
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To: BuffaloJack
She had a body double in Pretty Woman in some of those scenes, so she really doesn't have that great of a bod. Also have you ever seen her walk, absolutely no grace or charm at all. If I had been Joanne Herring I would not have been thrilled at such a graceless idiot portraying me.
35 posted on 12/25/2007 5:59:23 AM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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To: CutePuppy
"In his book, "Ronald Reagan: The Role of a Lifetime," Lou Cannon"

Better to quote Kengor than Cannon, from The Crusader, p. 231: "Once president, his administration worked hard to get weapons to the rebels, which included shipments not just from Washington but from sympathetic nations like Egypt, Saudi Arabia, China and Pakistan. CIA director Bill Casey jetted around the world prodding nations for aid and arms; he reprimanded foreign leaders when the weapons were not up to par, once in April 1981 telling a stunned Anwar Sadat that the material being supplied by the Egyptians was "garbage."....

...Making his point in a heated reprimand of Gorbachev, Reagan then asked the general secretary angrily and pointedly:"Are you still trying to take over the world?!" Gorbachev was visibly shaken, staring at Reagan in silence, mouth agape, with a stunned expression.

Reagan arms control director Ken Adelman, a witness, called Reagan's words in that exchange the most "harsh indictment of Soviet behavior ever delivered to the top Soviet man."

36 posted on 12/25/2007 6:38:56 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: CutePuppy

In the movie version that I saw...James Bond took care of it while romancing a blond and crashing a C-130!


37 posted on 12/25/2007 6:55:46 AM PST by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: CutePuppy

My parents went to see this yesterday...and after reading this, I’m glad I didn’t go see it with them.


38 posted on 12/25/2007 6:59:34 AM PST by RWB Patriot
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To: CutePuppy

On the flip, Sorkin ironically makes a strong case for Nation-Building in Iraq.


39 posted on 12/25/2007 7:05:35 AM PST by sono (Washington, DC. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.)
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To: CutePuppy

I would love if Tom Clancy wrote a screenplay for a movie based on William Casey. What a great man. This would be a movie about the CIA and the Reagan years worth seeing.


40 posted on 12/25/2007 7:09:33 AM PST by mainerforglobalwarming
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To: iopscusa

How about a movie based on Kathleen Willeys new book?


41 posted on 12/25/2007 7:16:19 AM PST by bilhosty
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To: Kaslin

ping.


42 posted on 12/25/2007 7:16:22 AM PST by jdm
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To: CutePuppy

It was written by Aaron Sorkin,,, so it’s his wet dream of a righteous Democrat. Those evil Republicans did nothing and I guess he manages to ignore the fact that President Reagan almost single-handedly destroyed the Evil Empire.


43 posted on 12/25/2007 7:23:07 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: napscoordinator

Bump for the fiction I thought this movie would be no matter what you think of Hanks.


44 posted on 12/25/2007 7:24:13 AM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: SkyPilot

Have never understood Roberts’ popularity... the last time I saw a mouth like that, it had a hook in it !


45 posted on 12/25/2007 7:26:23 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: CutePuppy

Everything about war that is good, is due to left-liberal US political support. FDR. Charlie Wilson, but, darn, those evil conservatives failed to follow up by “nation building” after. Why, even Hillary Edwards “voted for the war” in Iraq, but, darn, they didn’t vote for Bush to bungle HOW the war was fought. Yeah!

Everything about war that is bad, is due to eeeevil Republican conservatives.

This message brought to you by Aaron “makes James Carville look neutral” Sorkin and most of the rest of Hollywood.


46 posted on 12/25/2007 7:31:22 AM PST by pogo101
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To: Captain Peter Blood

Yep even the cover of the VHS/DVD or Movie Billboards back in 1987 all had Julia Robert’s bodydouble. One of the first Photoshops? haha


47 posted on 12/25/2007 7:31:36 AM PST by Blue Highway
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To: CutePuppy

The aid cutoff was depicted in the movie as Done by old Democrat Committee Chairmen, not by Reagen.


48 posted on 12/25/2007 7:32:07 AM PST by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: bilhosty

Or “ Murdered By Mumia” by Susan Faulkner.


49 posted on 12/25/2007 7:32:18 AM PST by Yorlik803 ( Please dont drag your filth into my swamp...........)
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To: Captain Peter Blood
What I meant was this picture is Julia Robert's head stuck on the body of her body double.


50 posted on 12/25/2007 7:33:39 AM PST by Blue Highway
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