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Florida bills would crack down on illegal immigrants
St. Petersburg Times ^ | Jose Cardenas

Posted on 12/25/2007 3:45:23 PM PST by BGHater

n the two years since immigration reform legislation stalled in Congress, many states have passed their own laws targeting illegal immigrants.

And soon Florida could join them.

Legislators have filed six bills that would, among other things, penalize farms and government contractors that hire undocumented immigrants or require local officials to report their arrests to federal authorities.

Come spring, legislators could debate whether to make it harder for an estimated 850,000 undocumented immigrants to live and work in Florida.

One of the bills, proposed by Rep. William Snyder, R-Stuart, would give local and state law enforcement the authority to arrest and charge smugglers transporting suspected illegal aliens.

"If this law prevents one smuggler from re-offending, I'll consider it a success," Snyder said earlier this year.

The Florida bills follow a trend of cities and states proposing local laws related to immigration.

The National Conference of State Legislatures reported last week that so far this year, more than 1,500 pieces of legislation were introduced in state legislatures. Of those, 244 became laws in 46 states, triple the number passed in 2006.

Nationally, the proposals touch predominantly on employment, law enforcement, drivers licenses and public benefits.

"Our federal government, in my opinion, has failed our citizens in dealing with the crisis of illegal immigration," said state Sen. Mike Fasano, R-New Port Richey, who filed two bills. "I went to an event today, and when I asked for questions, it was about taxes, but it was also about illegal immigration."

In Florida, Fasano and Republican Rep. Don Brown, R-DeFuniak Springs, have filed three of the most comprehensive bills.

Fasano's proposals — Senate Bills 124 and 388 — would target agribusinesses and government contractors that employ undocumented workers. One also would require local governments and police to determine immigrants' status and enforce immigration laws.

Brown said he modeled his proposal House Bill 73 after a comprehensive and tough law that went into effect in Oklahoma in November.

If passed, it would force local officials to share information with the federal government about the legal status of immigrants. It also would ban so-called sanctuary policies, which some cities have used to stop the sharing of that information.

"I'm concerned about the sovereignty of the nation and the state," Brown said. "This country has an incredibly rich heritage of immigration. ... In recent years, we have allowed untold millions ... to come into the country" illegally.

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Nationally, activists opposed to illegal immigration view the state laws as a way to force undocumented immigrants to leave.

"The most significant part of the legislation is that illegal aliens are leaving those states in large numbers," said William Gheen, president of the Americans for Legal Immigration PAC, based in North Carolina.

The new state laws bother advocates for immigrants.

Joan Friedland, immigration policy director of the National Immigration Law Center, said she worries about federal agents and local police working together outside of jails.

Such arrangements, Friedland said, could increase racial profiling and discourage immigrants from cooperating with police or asking for help.

Undocumented immigrants already are not eligible for most public benefits, said Tanya Broder, the law center's public benefits policy director. She said the state laws mainly require that people show documentation, which simply adds a hurdle for citizens.

"Colorado spent $2 million to implement their law," Broder said. "They had zero savings because there's no evidence that undocumented immigrants were getting services."

In Florida, however, activists opposed to illegal immigration like the proposals.

"There's a number of articles about how illegal aliens are moving out of Oklahoma," said David Caulkett, vice president for Floridians for Immigration Reform.

He said his group opposes illegal immigrants, not legal ones.

"Surprise, surprise," Caulkett said. "Enforcement works. I would expect the effects ... in Florida will be the same" as in Oklahoma."

Those preparing to fight the bills say undocumented immigrants are important to the state's economy and should be legalized.

"We are benefitting from their labor," said Sheila Hopkins, associate director for social concerns for the Florida Catholic Conference of Bishops in Tallahassee. "We need to pass immigration reform so these people have the opportunity to make it right."

John Horan, an Orlando attorney who represents clients in construction, said both sides have valid points.

"You have people justifiably saying these people have broken the law," Horan said.

But "by the same token you have 15 million people who are working and ... an unemployment rate of (only) a little over 4 percent. In Florida, it's much lower," said Horan. "The demand of labor is being met by the supply. The only problem is that the supply is not here legally."

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"I think there's a good chance that they would pass in Florida," Horan said. "This is a very important issue to the Republican base."

But Sean Foreman, an assistant professor of political science at Barry University in Miami Shores, said the "anti-immigrant" mood is not as strong in Florida as in mid-Atlantic states and the Midwest.

Florida's power structure has recently shifted from the northern part of the state to the south, Foreman said in an e-mail, adding that Republican Cuban-American legislators such as House Speaker Marco Rubio are likely to have more liberal views on immigration.

He also noted that Gov. Charlie Crist is also a moderate Republican. "Attempts at immigration reform in Florida will probably fall short," Foreman predicted.

Information from Congressional Quarterly was used in this report.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: aliens; bill; florida; illegalimmgrants; immigrantlist; immigration
'estimated 850,000 undocumented immigrants to live and work in Florida.'

Dam.

1 posted on 12/25/2007 3:45:25 PM PST by BGHater
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To: BGHater

Colorado spent $2 million to implement their law,” Broder said. “They had zero savings because there’s no evidence that undocumented immigrants were getting services.”

BS. The state is run by dem-o-rats. They didn’t bother looking.


2 posted on 12/25/2007 3:51:30 PM PST by dynachrome (Immigration without assimilation means the death of this nation~Captainpaintball)
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To: BGHater
Fla. is no Oklahoma the transformation to the capital of the third world, at least at the bottom half of the state, is already completed. The new law will help but S. Fla was lost 20 years ago.
3 posted on 12/25/2007 4:10:30 PM PST by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: BGHater
. The only problem is that the supply is not here legally

The **only** problem? That's pantload as well as being totally incorrect.

First, even if that were true, it's hardly a "minor" problem.

Second, 850 thousand (an under estimate IMO), is a very significant number in proportion to the state's population.

Third, these illegals have brought with them a host of very serious problems. They are not just people working and living in Florida that simply don't happen to have some minor, piddly paperwork.

And for the record Crist is not a "moderate" anything. He is a worthless lib masquerading as a Republican.

4 posted on 12/25/2007 4:14:59 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
Don’t worry about the 850 thousand they are going after it’s only a small chunk of the millions that are already here and have already taken over.
5 posted on 12/25/2007 4:22:38 PM PST by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: BGHater
"If this law prevents one smuggler from re-offending, I'll consider it a success,"

If this law prevents 10 thousand from re-offending, I'll consider it a success.

6 posted on 12/25/2007 4:27:39 PM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: dynachrome

“BS. The state is run by dem-o-rats. They didn’t bother looking.”

The way they get around it is they DON’T ASK! My town has a website inviting the parasites to come in and get government services.


7 posted on 12/25/2007 4:28:44 PM PST by dljordan
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To: rodguy911

I left that crappy state 2 years ago.

Anyway, they aren’t going to go after anyone. This is just talk. Illegals and their supporters have way too much clout in the state.

I haven’t heard Crist’s comments on illegals, but I’d have no faith in a man that has so little regard for private property rights (i.e. his record on eminent domain) would give a damn about the rights of legal citizens.


8 posted on 12/25/2007 4:31:07 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: BGHater

Bookmark for later reading.


9 posted on 12/25/2007 4:34:33 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! Duncan Hunter is a Cosponsor.)
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10 posted on 12/25/2007 4:47:49 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: BGHater

I hope Georgia will get an even tougher handle on this nonsense.If Fla. passes the tougher laws I want the illegals to be made to keep right on going back to where they came from.


11 posted on 12/25/2007 4:57:01 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: BGHater

“Florida bills would crack down on illegal immigrants”

About time (and beyond)!
I remember maybe 8-10 years ago an episode on “America’s Most Wanted”
there was an episode about a guy accussed of taking liberties with
a little girl in Florida.
Taken to court, the accussed wailed that he was a hardworking
“immigrant” (yep, he was illegal and the judge knew it)...so he
got the judge to give him time to liquidate his cleaning company before
coming back for trial.

The guy cut off his ankle bracelet and hit the road.

Host John Walsh hardly ever comments on illegals...but he did in
that episode and called out the judge by name for being crazy to
have made it possible for this perp to escape.


12 posted on 12/25/2007 5:02:37 PM PST by VOA
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To: BGHater

“Colorado spent $2 million to implement their law,” Broder said. “They had zero savings because there’s no evidence that undocumented immigrants were getting services.”

A total lie.


13 posted on 12/25/2007 5:03:27 PM PST by CodeToad
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To: rodguy911
Lets call it an invasion that is what it really is.
I’m going to quote from another source here Blogger News Source from an article that appeared on Sept. 4 2007.
The article was titled Mexico Declares War on the United States, it is old but I did save it.
Mexicos president Felipe Calderon used the occasion of his first state-of-the-nation address to proclaim that” Mexico does not end at it’s borders” and “where there is a Mexican there is Mexico”
The 400,000 illegal aliens who cross our southern border with Mexico each year ( now 12 Million strong ) are not here to do the so called jobs we don’t want but they are here as an invading force waging Mexicos protracted campaign to achieve “La Reconquista”.
Three years ago I went back to driving over the road truck to get away from a very high stress job and I run into these people all over the country and yes that really is their mindset. That article made some very interesting reading and put alot into perspective as to what I have seen and heard.
Now we are being told that our children need to learn Spanish as a second language how long before it becomes the first and English takes a backseat?
14 posted on 12/25/2007 5:03:35 PM PST by CowboyConservative
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To: BGHater
"Legislators have filed six bills that would, among other things, penalize farms and government contractors that hire undocumented immigrants or require local officials to report their arrests to federal authorities."

They should take the additional step Arizona did and require all employers to verify legal status, effective January 1, 2008. Since the 9th Court of Appeals recently refused to address the case, it is now "law of the land" in Arizona, and the illegals are reportedly leaving for Mexico or but probably other states.

The employers of illegals in AZ knash their teeth and claim that the the local and state economies will suffer...let's see. This could set a precedent for other states to follow if the doom doesn't come to pass.

15 posted on 12/25/2007 5:03:41 PM PST by A Navy Vet (In perpetuum sacramentum (An Oath is Forever))
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To: ChildOfThe60s
Crist has already been given the RINO tag and rightly so, your characterization of the state is right on, sadly.
16 posted on 12/25/2007 5:14:01 PM PST by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: CowboyConservative
Like you I drive 70,000 miles per year and like you I see them working const. everywhere.

Truth is the 12 million number is also a fabrication of the msm/dbm the actual figure which I continue to shout on thread after thread is closer to 38 million.

This figure comes from former fed prosecutor and immigration expert James H. Walsh in his book "The Social Contract" I could continue documenting the number but I think everyone gets it.

17 posted on 12/25/2007 5:19:28 PM PST by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: BGHater
'estimated 850,000 undocumented immigrants to live and work in Florida.'

When they all leave the loss of all that weight will cause the Florida land-mass to rise, perhaps far enough to make up for those scary rising sea-levels from global warming.

Killed two birds with one stone.

18 posted on 12/25/2007 5:25:21 PM PST by capt. norm (Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for.)
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To: CodeToad

Your right and since the clause in the NAFTA agreement that allows Mexican trucks to enter the US was put into effect in Colorado they have busted three trucks for transporting illegal aliens. Mexicans don’t have a clue how to drive in snow and usually end up in the ditch and three times the DOT found a trailer full guess what? No for once it was not drugs but a full load of Mexicans destined for a community near you.


19 posted on 12/25/2007 5:27:10 PM PST by CowboyConservative
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To: rodguy911
I did say it was an old article and the number is not the issue but what is happening to “our” country, that is your country as much as mine. You can split hairs on any subject but the problem is still there. Okay now instead of buying enough ammo for 12 million you need to go back to Walmart and get enough for 38 million. How is your credit limit? If you need help just ask.
20 posted on 12/25/2007 5:36:00 PM PST by CowboyConservative
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To: rodguy911
Truth is the 12 million number is also a fabrication of the msm/dbm the actual figure which I continue to shout on thread after thread is closer to 38 million. This figure comes from former fed prosecutor and immigration expert James H. Walsh in his book "The Social Contract" I could continue documenting the number but I think everyone gets it.

I've been shouting FORTY MILLION invaders for some time now... glad to get this backup from somebody that has better access to facts!

21 posted on 12/25/2007 5:44:11 PM PST by JDoutrider
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To: rodguy911

You know the more I thought about it if the only thing I said that you disagreed with was the number, I came close. Next time I’ll try a little harder to get you to think about the real problem. Make no mistake I did enjoy the comeback.


22 posted on 12/25/2007 5:45:45 PM PST by CowboyConservative
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To: JDoutrider

Okay nobody has an accurate figure on just how many illegals are in this country is that the only thing anybody cares about?” Access to the facts” how about the fact they are here. How about a real argument as in the real issue and not how many are or not here! Come on you are better than that! Show me!!


23 posted on 12/25/2007 5:54:16 PM PST by CowboyConservative
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To: JDoutrider

Okay I’m waiting for a decent reply from you! You disputed numbers I got from a news source but you disagreed with my statement and you could not reply to me personally? Whats up? The last person who took me on was the managing editor for the Wyoming Tribune Eagle and we had a good time ( I did win). I enjoy feedback pro or con I love feedback let me hear yours directed at the source “me”.


24 posted on 12/25/2007 6:31:04 PM PST by CowboyConservative
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To: CowboyConservative
My response to that dig can be summed up by the reality of where I live ((North Washington state). Where we live we've seen a HUGE increase in not only Mexicans, but Russians, Asians, Central/ South Americans, Eastern Europe, hell cowboy, you name the place on this planet and they're inundating our corner of America!

How do I know so many of them are illegal? For one, my Wife works for the Driver licensing department... and they have seen a quintupling of false documents from the above illegals come into their department...and this scenario plays out throughout the state.

I travel to many places here on the left coast (and throughout the US for that matter) since i retired from traveling to the same venues... and I'm here to tell ya the amount of the "New People" aka illegals I've seen infest the areas I go to is astounding! This, and from my perusing the immigration problem via Discussions with those in the know, and from Folks I know who keep an eye on this situation...

It is indeed an INVASION!

BTW... Welcome to FReeepublic!

25 posted on 12/25/2007 6:36:19 PM PST by JDoutrider
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To: BGHater

Glad to hear about a crackdown.

Hunter is the best candidate on Illegal Immigration.

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According to Intrade, the winner of the December 12th GOP debate was... Duncan Hunter.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1938773/posts

Why the smart money is on Duncan Hunter
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1926032/posts


26 posted on 12/25/2007 8:43:40 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: CowboyConservative

On returning to this thread, I see your posts weren’t directed to me... LOL! I was wondering why you said what you said to me... it’s ok, that happens a LOT here on FR!


27 posted on 12/25/2007 11:20:11 PM PST by JDoutrider
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To: BGHater
Joan Friedland, immigration policy director of the National Immigration Law Center, said she worries about federal agents and local police working together outside of jails.

Excellent!! Do it! Freidland is just another parasite lawyer making money off illegal immigration

Such arrangements, Friedland said, could increase racial profiling and discourage immigrants from cooperating with police or asking for help.

What bullshit. Illegals never help the police anyways. As far as racial profiling don't scam your way into America and complain about racism when we want to kick you out. We've been taking in 3rd world dregs for years. Enough is enough. Too many of our legal immigrants are uneducated third worlders. We need to admit educated English speakers. We need to select and choose immigrants, right now they are doing the choosing. We need to convince them it's too much hassle to jump our borders and to stay home instead

28 posted on 12/25/2007 11:49:24 PM PST by dennisw
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To: JDoutrider; rodguy911; All
I've been shouting FORTY MILLION invaders for some time now... glad to get this backup from somebody that has better access to facts!

Ditto! I was asked where I got my 40 million from; I said that I calculated it at the debate and defeat of the amnesty bill in the Senate, in May ‘07.

I noticed that the traitors used the 12-20 million numbers differently. When they SHOUTED about the "big problem that required COMPREHENSIVE reform", they used the 20 million number. OTOH, when they "WHISPERED" about the "path to citizenship", they used the 12-6 million "eligible immigrants" number.

With a little psychology and cynicism about the traitors' selling techniques, I applied 100% LYING correction factor as a minimum on the high number (20 million) and allowed another 50% EVADING factor for "unaccounted for family numbers".

I arrived at an absolute minimum of 40 million invaders with a second correction of 50%, minimum, to reach 60 million.

This was arrived at by knowing our traitors and their selling (lying) techniques and their usage/presentation of bogus numbers.

I hope I’m wrong and that the numbers are lower. However, knowing our critters, I’m afraid it’s the higher numbers, unfortunately for all of us.

29 posted on 12/26/2007 9:18:26 AM PST by melancholy (Beware of Ho Chi Minh's offspring, Ho She Marx , invading the WH.)
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To: JDoutrider
Mu apologies
30 posted on 12/26/2007 11:35:24 AM PST by CowboyConservative
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