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One Step Forward, Two Steps Back - Will There Ever Be an AIDS Vaccine?
New England Journal of Medicine ^ | December 27, 2007 | Robert Steinbrook, M.D.

Posted on 12/28/2007 9:04:27 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

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To: Caesar Soze

How many Nobel prizes has Behe? How many times has he been lauded by the National Academy of Science?


141 posted on 12/28/2007 3:35:49 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: Caesar Soze

Apples and oranges, my friend. If you want to throw down re: Duesberg and AIDS, be my guest. You will be severely humbled long before the exchange has reached completion.


142 posted on 12/28/2007 3:41:40 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: spetznaz
The answer to your second question is that AIDS is blamed for immune deficiencies associated with many different diseases.

It is useless as a diagnosis, and that is why there cannot be a "cure".

The "epidemic" in Africa is just the old diseases that have been ravaging that country for the last century, wrapped up in a bow that suckers Western countries into sending funds their way.

The "AIDS epidemic" and "Global Warming" scream "fraud" to anyone who wants to pay attention.

Follow the money.

I call the researchers who benefit from public funding on AIDS "The AIDS parasites".
143 posted on 12/28/2007 3:42:08 PM PST by cgbg ("2009-2017: Gnarled and ugly,loud and preachy, fiscally and morally depraved.")
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To: cgbg; spetznaz
"wrapped up in a bow that suckers Western countries into sending funds their way."

Wrapped up in a bow that suckers Western countries into sending funds to the mega giant pharmaceutical companies that badly need corporate welfare!

144 posted on 12/28/2007 3:51:40 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: cgbg

Preach it brother! It’s about time conservative woke up to the fact that they have been suckered by the AIDS parasites.


145 posted on 12/28/2007 3:52:31 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: editor-surveyor

Again, please not that they have all fled at the very prospect of putting up or shutting up re: the proposed debate with Duesberg et al.


146 posted on 12/28/2007 3:59:24 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Alter Kaker

Still waiting for you to cite your sources, Alter Kaker. I’m more than willing to go over them with you once you give me something I can work with. And please spare me Wikipedia. Science papers only please.


147 posted on 12/28/2007 4:52:26 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Will There Ever Be an AIDS Vaccine

Yeah, just eat right and stop taking drugs and vaccines.
148 posted on 12/28/2007 5:03:44 PM PST by modican
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To: modican

==Yeah, just eat right and stop taking drugs and vaccines.

Almost. Not even the AIDS establishment has the gumption to call AIDS drugs a “vaccine.” Instead, they bill them as temporarily improving one’s health just before they die. Which, of course, is a crock, because what we are talking about is highly toxic chemotherapy drugs that will kill you even if you start out healthy.


149 posted on 12/28/2007 5:11:20 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
I have looked into the Subject of HIV/Aids some time ago.
Because people WANT to believe in AIDS, makes it suspect.
150 posted on 12/28/2007 5:21:55 PM PST by modican
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To: editor-surveyor
The great JS will descend to the level of the world's foremost biochemist, if he shows good faith by your feckless definition.

It's his idea and his definition. He is asking people to believe HIV is harmless. It is his idea to infect himself to demonstrate the harmlessness of HIV.

I will take him seriously when he conducts the experiment on himself or his children.

Clara Maass and Jesse William Lazear were not chickenshit like Duesberg.

151 posted on 12/29/2007 5:17:10 AM PST by js1138
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To: js1138

See my previous comment (#132).


152 posted on 12/29/2007 9:48:02 AM PST by Christopher Lincoln
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To: js1138; Christopher Lincoln

JS, you are sounding more and more like Joseph Mengele with your each and every post. Long live death, and the pharma industry that promotes it.


153 posted on 12/29/2007 10:00:52 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

It’s very likely that an AIDS vaccine will be invented; the doubtful question is whether it will work. If AIDS is not an infectious disease, there is zero chance of the latter.


154 posted on 12/29/2007 10:02:10 AM PST by Christopher Lincoln
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To: js1138; editor-surveyor; metmom
Stop lying, JS. I have already shown you where he has publicly agreed to infect himself so long as the NIH would agree to supervise the experiment and regularly report on his health status. But the generals in the War on AIDS won’t do it. They are the ones who have shown themselves to be chicken. If Duesberg is causing so many people to doubt HIV and stay off their AIDS wonder drugs, then why not let Duesberg make an example of himself and thus demonstrate to the entire world that HIV is a death sentence? It is the NIH that is running scared, not Duesberg.

And what of the debate I proposed between Duesberg et al and the public health officials who promote the HIV-AIDS hypothesis. Your father was a high-level public health official, so I’m sure you’re plugged in. Why not tap one of your experts to come on FR and debate Duesberg et al? What are you afraid of? Isn’t there anyone on your side who has the requisite confidence and knowledge in the HIV-AIDS hypothesis to take on the likes of Duesberg et al? Talk about running scared!

155 posted on 12/29/2007 10:50:17 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts; js1138; metmom; Christopher Lincoln

The socialists need AIDS, just like they need ‘global warming,’ to fill their coffers, and secure power over the great unwashed.

As always, follow the money.


156 posted on 12/29/2007 10:59:21 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: editor-surveyor; js1138; allmendream; Ichneumon; metmom; Christopher Lincoln; John Valentine

==As always, follow the money.

And don’t follow the people who run away from debates.


157 posted on 12/29/2007 11:44:08 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

And always follow people who recommend coffee enemas to cure cancer.


158 posted on 12/29/2007 3:07:39 PM PST by js1138
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To: js1138; editor-surveyor
==And always follow people who recommend coffee enemas to cure cancer.

But I’m sure you’re all for AZT enemas to “cure” AIDS. I’d be laughing at your hypocrisy if it wasn’t so tragic. At least the coffee enemas won’t kill you. We can’t say the same thing for AZT enemas, now can we—GGG

4th IAS Conference on HIV Pathogenesis, Treatment and Prevention International AIDS Society and Australasian Society for HIV Medicine—7/23/07

GERALD FRIEDLAND, M.D: Thank you. I have a question. I noticed there’s a high rate of study discontinuation among the patients, was that largely related to the AZT *enema* or was that actually due to the hypersensitivity or the navira type associations and were there a difference in the discontinuation rate between the high and lower doses?

ANCHALEE AVIHINGSANON, M.D.: Yes, so we have four cases with nevirapine hypersensitivity in higher does and one in lower dose and these patients were, [inaudible] and one died from each group.

http://www.kaisernetwork.org/health_cast/uploaded_files/072307_ias_tb_transcript.pdf

159 posted on 12/29/2007 4:07:30 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: js1138; allmendream; Ichneumon

PS Have you found an AIDS expert to come on FR and debate a scientist from our side??? Didn’t think so.


160 posted on 12/29/2007 5:06:38 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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