Posted on 12/28/2007 12:12:40 PM PST by wagglebee
Just for the sake of curiosity...
Suicide takes the choice of the time of death away from God, or, for other reasons, is a horrible sin. Murder of another individual is the same, usurps God’s power over lives. So is murder also a mortal sin? Because I really don’t think that anyone who has killed another is eternally damned. So it seems that the main issue at stake here must be the fact that the individual can’t be absolved of his sin before he dies. Correct?
No criticism, just trying to understand other Christian beliefs I haven’t properly learned.
We neeed to know that our doctors are committed to health: and nobody is healthier dead.
The availability of death-as-a-treatment (and a cheap one, at that) disastrously reduces our motivation to seek treatment for depression and effective pain relief. Just as the availability of abortion STOPPED all research for a cure for Tay-Sachs, the available of prescription for a lethal dose of barbiturates will lessen institutional support for effective and humane palliative care.
Insurers, state healthcare systems and HMO's would probably agree that for cheap and for permanent, nothing beats death.
This forum is pro-life. What are you?
It’s murder if the patient/victim is non-consenting. If adding insult to injury, their organs are harvested, it is a double crime.
It's murder, not an operation.
The Oregon record over the past 10 years shows that virtually nobody who chose suicide, chose it because of pain. It would have been "absolutely" nobody, if they had gotten the appropriate narcotic and analgesic medication.
You might want to look at the argument that the suicide option works against palliative care and these insights by an experienced medical practitioner as well. Of the many arguments that have been made in favor of suicide, the one that is provably false is the one about pain in terminal cases.
There are dancers in here, dancing around with the New Testament. Thou Shalt Not Kill is a Commandment from the Old Testament. That means suicide too.
No. In order to go to hell you have to be guilty of a mortal sin. Mortal sin requires
The other two are things we can sometimes know (for instance, you can know that a person was mentally retarded) and sometimes things we can never know (the person's interior state of mind.)
Thus we can judge that suicide is seriously wrong in an objective sense, but only God can know the heart and judge the soul.
For which I am grateful.
Oh. And getting a tattoo is not ordinarily "grave matter."
My father was in home hospice care for 27 months and died without pain, in is own bed, with his own family around. The home hospice workers (from the local medical center) were excellent; they promptly and willingly supplied all the meds he needed to be pain-free and comfortable.
I think what my dear father received is what everyone deserves.
for each and every sub-category of murder to be understood as forbidden?
Dying with an unrepented mortal sin on your soul -- that's where you're in an eternally horrible, truly damnable situation.
So if a man commits perjury, (which I understand is another mortal sin) or any other mortal sin, without repenting in time, he would be refused salvation? Interesting. Well, thanks for the lesson.
And yeah, while in principle I halfheartedly support (more of an ambivalence) voluntary euthanasia, I do not think it is a choice anyone should make and the consequences of legalizing it are hard to determine, very possibly very unfortunate.
Thanks for the discussion, nice to have a informative, civil conversation.
I’m pro the government staying out of my life as much as possible. What about you?
How about you?
Hospice was a nightmare when my stepfather was dying. They lied to my mother before he was admitted and then denied him food, water and everything but pain medications after he was admittted. My mother is still in agony over his death and the way it happened almost 2 yeears after the fact.
I would never give a cent to hospice and would never commend any loved one to their care.
Cherry,
What is excessive antibiotic theerapy? I have chronic kidney infections and I can’t imagine lying in a bed with that terrible pain while being denied medications I need to clear it.
To me hydration, nutrition and medications for pain and infection are essentials even for those who are dying.
Assisted suicide in Oregon is NOT some mysterious person trying to kill you. It’s you making your own rational decision within a certain framework of guidelines. I don’t WANT my leaders “protecting” me from that.
Where exactly does the Constitution say our leaders should make sure we die in agony or without a shred of dignity?
I’m sorry about your stepfather’s nightmare, but the main hospice here is NOTHING like the one he went to.
buzz words for death cultists...
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