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Did Giuliani Really Clean Up Times Square?
AP via CBS News ^ | Dec. 28, 2007 | Staff

Posted on 12/28/2007 4:13:08 PM PST by jdm

Times Square is crammed with tourists, and not just for New Year's Eve. These days, they're eager to gawk at the glittering lights of Broadway and visit attractions like Madame Tussauds Wax Museum and the MTV studios.

But 15 years ago, the place was considered a cesspool, overrun with crime and home to sex shops and peep shows. Drug addicts shot up on the street. Locals avoided the neighborhood.

The man who has taken the credit for revitalizing Times Square is GOP presidential hopeful and former Mayor Rudy Giuliani. He has made Times Square a symbol for how he tamed the evils of an out-of-control city and turned it into a tourist-friendly destination.

"It's called getting things done," he said at a fundraiser this year.

It's not that clear-cut, a closer examination of the Times Square renaissance shows.

While even his critics will say Giuliani deserves praise for his part in redevelopment of the area, the finished product was the culmination of decades of work that came before he was elected, according to lawmakers and urban planners.

"State agencies had plans in place to develop 42nd Street well before Giuliani," said Ethel Sheffer, an urban planning expert who led a quality-of-life study on Times Square during the redevelopment. Any large-scale redevelopment "takes a long time to unfold," she said.

The Times Square plan was in the works during the 1980s, when state officials and then-Mayor Ed Koch used eminent domain to condemn and take control of decrepit buildings.

But there was no legal way to control businesses until the City Council initiated a study during the administration of David Dinkins, who preceded Giuliani as mayor, that would allow them to pass rezoning laws if they could prove sex businesses were harming residential areas.

Walter McCaffrey, a former City Council member, said the idea to rezone wasn't even related to Times Square at first. It started with a neighborhood in Queens near the Queensboro Bridge that had suffered when topless bars and porn shops moved in. After the study, the City Council drew up stricter zoning laws that prohibited sex-oriented theaters, bookstores, massage parlors and dance clubs from operating within 500 feet of homes, houses of worship, schools or one another.

The law passed in 1995 - about two years after Giuliani took office.

By this time, the area was already changing, urban planning experts say. The paced quickened after the legal challenges to the zoning laws were defeated and Giuliani bore down.

Says Charles Millard, a former City Councilman and head of the city's Economic Development Corp: "I drafted the law that allowed us to do this constitutionally when David Dinkins was mayor, but until Rudy became mayor and pushed it through his planning commission, and pushed it through the city, not a thing had happened."

Others say Giuliani was in the right place at the right time, as the economy boomed in the 1990s and shifted toward tourism, real estate and Wall Street. The proliferation of Internet porn also made many sex shops obsolete.

"It was kind of like a perfect storm for him," said Arturo Ignacio Sanchez, a City and Regional Planning professor at Cornell University. The process started with Koch, picked up speed under Dinkins and really accelerated under Giuliani, he said, adding: "It fast forwards with warp speed under Bloomberg, and you have the city today."

Times Square has always lived a double life - even a century ago the 10-block stretch of busy Midtown streets was home to upscale splendor as well as hidden brothels and fetid hotels. With the invention of neon and the rise of Broadway shows, the area slowly became the entertainment center of the city.

But by the time Giuliani took office, the area had fallen into decline. In 1993, nearly 4,000 incidents of crime were reported in the area, according to the Times Square Alliance, a business group.

Part of the revival was the arrival of upscale hotels, theme stores and restaurants - businesses that Giuliani helped lure with a private-public team of developers.

Disney received a low-interest loan from the city to give a facelift to the New Amsterdam Theater on 42nd Street, considered by some to be the crown jewel of the new Times Square. The renovated theater soon drew in other businesses, such as MTV, ESPN and other media companies.

Giuliani talks on the campaign trail about the eradication of porn shops from Times Square and about declining crime rates during his tenure.

"It didn't happen by accident, it didn't happen by wishing they went away," Giuliani said in a speech in October. "It happened based on a very well-organized campaign, a study demonstrating the impact of pornography on neighborhoods, an intense battle in court that nobody thought we would win, and we won. And most importantly, the pornographers lost and they were chased out of Times Square."

There are still some sex shops in Times Square, but the majority of them disappeared long ago. Some simply relocated.

Former City Councilman Thomas Duane was among the few who voted against the rezoning laws in the 1990s, in part because he was not eager to see the sex shops simply switch neighborhoods.

"He didn't get rid of them from New York City, he dispersed them from Times Square, mostly to the industrial waterfront areas of the city," Duane said of Giuliani.

"And as Manhattan became a more attractive place to live, people started moving into those communities and now the same problem exists," he said. "It just doesn't exist much where the tourists go."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: giuliani; nyc; redevelopment; rudy; timessquare
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To: gitmo
The article is fairly accurate.

The "revival" of Times Square took place over a period of more than a decade. Specifically, it began in the mid-1980s when the NYC Planning Commission formally approved the zoning changes for the "new" Times Square district. The area would have seen improvement much sooner than it did, but the stock market crash of 1987 and the real estate decline that occurred in the aftermath of the 1986 changes in the Federal tax code caused many institutional investors to scale back their exposure to new real estate projects.

The "official" start of the Times Square renaissance occurred when the first two major companies -- Disney and Bertelsmann AG -- signed deals to move into new buildings in the Times Square area. Both of these deals were signed in 1993 -- when David Dinkins was still mayor of New York City.

41 posted on 12/28/2007 5:26:56 PM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: MattinNJ

Agree 100%. Rudy is not my 1st, 2nd or 3rd choice, but the whining liberals that are quoted here in this newspaper article are the same ones that were screaming bloody murder that Rudy was taking all the ‘urban charm and excitement’ out of New York, while he enforced laws, supported the police, cut crime and evicted sleaze merchants. Since it turns out people actually like a low crime city where they can take their kids, they want to claim David Dinkins wanted to do the same thing if he hadn’t been chased out of office for doing nothing.

Rudy isn’t what America needs, but he is just about the best that the Big Apple has to offer.


42 posted on 12/28/2007 5:33:24 PM PST by CaptainMorgantown
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To: Alberta's Child

Did you live in NYC to witness Giuliani’s turnaround of NYC in person?


43 posted on 12/28/2007 5:34:05 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: CaptainMorgantown

Tom Duane, the AIDS-infected councilman quoted in this article fought Giuliani’s attempts to shut down the Adonis Theatre. That venue was probably responsible for half the AIDs infections in NYC. Luckily, Rudy succeeded in closing down the Adonis and the AIDS-for-Everyone lobby lost.


44 posted on 12/28/2007 5:38:47 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: Alberta's Child

Wrong. It started with the Marquis hotel that started negotiating for land back in the early 1980s.


45 posted on 12/28/2007 5:39:39 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: NYC Republican

I agree with you completely. I was born in upstate NY and my parents would never go to the “city” because it was so awful. Driving to the airports the highways were littered with dead cars left there forever. NYC changed for the better while Rudy was in office. I can speak personally of the change as I live in CT now as an adult and we do not fear the “city” at all. Times Square is amazing in its transformation. This naked guy playing the guitar I have never seen.
We feel safer in Manhattan than in Hartford or New Haven, CT.


46 posted on 12/28/2007 5:40:46 PM PST by mojo114 (Happy New Year!)
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To: jdm

You’re from NYC right?


47 posted on 12/28/2007 5:41:04 PM PST by AliVeritas (ah, the sheer grace! in darkness and concealment, my house being now all stilled.)
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To: jdm

When did you live in NYC?


48 posted on 12/28/2007 5:45:06 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: jdm

http://www.thechief-leader.com/news/2007/1130/News/010.html

Takes Aim At His Myth
WTC Board Game Zings Rudy

By ARI PAUL

Pete Gleason, an ex-cop who’s now an attorney, can add board game developer to his list of professions, as he unveiled the prototype for his Ground Zero board game Nov. 20, a work of satire he believes can shape the course of the presidential campaign.

READ more at the above link, there is no love for Rudy from the New York City Police Department


49 posted on 12/28/2007 5:50:41 PM PST by diefree
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To: durasell

Maybe so, but I believe the Marriott Marquis Hotel was built under the existing zoning, not as part of the overall Times Square re-zoning.


50 posted on 12/28/2007 5:52:18 PM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: jimbo123
Yes.

New York City was a dump before Giuliani was mayor. It's a much better city now, but I despise the place for different reasons.

51 posted on 12/28/2007 5:53:42 PM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: diefree

Some more stories from the Rudy-bashing newspaper you linked to:

http://www.thechief-leader.com/news/2007/1109/news/016.html

DC 37’s National Union Taps Clinton

By MEREDITH KOLODNER

The executive board of the 1.4-million-member American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees voted 23 to 10 last week to endorse Hillary Clinton for President.


52 posted on 12/28/2007 5:56:39 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: Alberta's Child

What neighborhood did you live in?


53 posted on 12/28/2007 5:57:45 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: jdm
It's like the Rudy 9/11 myth that his supporters have concocted - when you scratch the surface you find out that Rudy should get credit because he "was there when it happened."

Increasingly, the American people are seeing through these false myths and are seeing Rudy for what he really is. That's why he's going down in the polls.

As Rudy's "base" shrinks, it becomes increasingly dominated by females without self-esteem and males who are homosexual.

Say goodbye to Rudy.

54 posted on 12/28/2007 6:02:06 PM PST by tear gas (Because of the 22nd Amendment, we are losing President. Bush. Can we afford to lose him now?)
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To: jimbo123

So?


55 posted on 12/28/2007 6:04:59 PM PST by diefree
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To: Reagan Man
You don’t know me and you don’t know WTF you’re talking about either.

Actually I do know you from your posts. You left NYC before Giuliani became Mayor, didn't you?

And for a Reagan Man, you sure do write negatively about a man Reagan appointed to be Associate Attorney General and subsequently US Attorney for the Southern District here. The late, great President would not be pleased.

ML/NJ

56 posted on 12/28/2007 6:05:17 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: jdm

Having lived in NYC through the morass that was David Dinkins, I’d say unequivocally that Times Square redevelopment got a major impetus from the election of Rudolph Giuliani. While Rudy has many issues (well-characterized here), this piece is sour grapes.


57 posted on 12/28/2007 6:08:35 PM PST by sono (Washington, DC. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.)
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To: Caramelgal
[Giuliani didn't conduct an extermination campaign of sex shop owners and people who frequent them. He didn't put them into concentration camps and then throw them into ovens so as to make them no longer exist. They still exist somewhere.] Are you suggesting that he should have?

No. I was being sarcastic, in an attempt to illustrate the stupidity inherent in the takedown of Giuliani contained in the above article.

58 posted on 12/28/2007 6:10:28 PM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: diefree

Just wondering why you didn’t identify your source as a New York City civil servants union publication whose members have endorsed Hillary for President, that all...


59 posted on 12/28/2007 6:12:13 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

It’s a paper for all civil servants in New York, not just the folks at DC-37


60 posted on 12/28/2007 6:13:56 PM PST by diefree
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