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Be Reasonable (Noonan sizes up the candidates.)
WSJ ^ | 12/29/2007 | Peggy Noonan

Posted on 12/29/2007 6:15:20 AM PST by xtinct

By next week politically active Iowans will have met and tallied their votes. Their decision this year will have a huge impact on the 2008 election, and a decisive impact on various candidacies. Some will be done in. Some will be made. Some will land just right or wrong and wake up the next day to read raves or obits. A week after that, New Hampshire. The endless campaign is in fact nearing its climax.

But all eyes are on Iowa. Iowans bear a heck of a lot of responsibility this year, the first time since 1952 when there is no incumbent president or vice president in the race. All of it is wide open.

Iowa can make Obama real. It can make Hillary yesterday. It can make Huckabee a phenom and not a flash, McCain the future and not the past. Moments like this happen in history. They're the reason we get up in the morning. "What happened?" "Who won?"

(Excerpt) Read more at opinionjournal.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; candidates; duncanhunter; ia2008; noonan; president
Has some valid points...
1 posted on 12/29/2007 6:15:23 AM PST by xtinct
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To: xtinct
Love this part...

"Duncan Hunter, Fred Thompson, and Bill Richardson are all reasonable--mature, accomplished, nonradical. Mike Huckabee gets enough demerits to fall into my not-reasonable column. John Edwards is not reasonable. All the Democrats would raise taxes as president, but Mr. Edwards's populism is the worst of both worlds, both intemperate and insincere. Also we can't have a president who spent two minutes on YouTube staring in a mirror and poofing his hair. Really, we just can't."

2 posted on 12/29/2007 6:19:33 AM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: xtinct

Joe Biden and Chris Dodd are reasonable candidates?I stopped reading at that point...


3 posted on 12/29/2007 6:21:50 AM PST by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: xtinct

From Drudge:

NOONAN: Hillary ‘most polarizing, distrusted political figure of my lifetime’...


4 posted on 12/29/2007 6:23:30 AM PST by jdm
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To: xcamel

“reasonable—mature, accomplished, nonradical”

The first two in that sentence are Statesman. Men among boys.

Duncan and FRed.


5 posted on 12/29/2007 6:23:33 AM PST by commonguymd (Move it to the right -Vote for Fred! Filler' up at www.fred08.com!)
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To: Farmer Dean

My thoughts exactly...Peg is having a “bad column” day..


6 posted on 12/29/2007 6:38:33 AM PST by ken5050
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To: xtinct
Here are two reasonables: Joe Biden and Chris Dodd.

Peggy, I'd agree on Dodd as reasonable for a dim, but Biden! He's ass clown.

They have been United States senators for a combined 62 years.

That my dear Peggy, is a major problem in my book, not an asset

They've read a raw threat file or two.

Wow, they read! That's a real asset!

They have experience, sophistication, the long view. They know how it works.

All true. But, missing is the one word that we really need. That word is LEADERSHIP

No one will have to explain it to them.

Somehow, I doubt that

7 posted on 12/29/2007 6:38:53 AM PST by Popman
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To: commonguymd

I just don’t see support for McCain-Feingold as reasonable by any standard.


8 posted on 12/29/2007 6:39:59 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: xtinct
everyone in politics gets to change his mind once. That is, you can be pro-life and then pro-choice but you can't go back to pro-life again, because if you do you'll look like a flake. The positions Mr. Romney espouses now are the positions he will stick with. He has no choice.

I believe that. He's not my number one choice but we'd be better off with him than McCain, Huckabee or Guliani, IMO

9 posted on 12/29/2007 6:42:17 AM PST by Nonstatist
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To: xtinct
When Noonan writes based on logic, her columns are excellent. When she does an emotion-based column, it is hit-and-miss. This qualifies as the latter. She should publish them under the pseudonym Maureen Dowd.

Tax-and-spend Dims are not reasonable and Noonan is foolish to claim that they are. 

10 posted on 12/29/2007 6:42:43 AM PST by peyton randolph (tag line taking a siesta)
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To: Popman

Wasn’t Chtis Dodd involved in the waitress sandwich with Ted Kennedy? That’s reasonable?

Duncan Hunter is the only reasonable.


11 posted on 12/29/2007 6:53:07 AM PST by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: xtinct
Why on earth did the supposedly-conservative Noonan even bother to write this vapid column?

She praises her list of candidates with faint damns and damns others with faint praise.

I expect a journalist of her conservative stature to have the courage of her convictions and not waste our time with simplistic analysis, unenlightening remarks and her non-conclusions we've read a thousand times elsewhere.

What a soft-headed article. I think she's now embedded in the establishment media circle of the bad, the beautiful and the mushy.

Leni

12 posted on 12/29/2007 6:54:21 AM PST by MinuteGal (Three Cheers for the FRed, White and Blue !!!)
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To: Farmer Dean
Joe Biden and Chris Dodd are reasonable candidates?I stopped reading at that point.

Maybe Peggy would like to be a 'waitress sandwich' between Dodd and Fat Teddy sometime? (one of the reported depraved adventures of those two lechers)
13 posted on 12/29/2007 6:54:33 AM PST by mkjessup (Hunter-Bolton '08 !! Patriots who will settle for nothing less than *Victory* in the War on Terror!)
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To: xtinct

Not to parse it too fine, there are at least five degrees of separation from reality in one sentence about Obama:

1 He has earned the attention of the country...with passionate supporters
2 such as JFK hand Ted Sorensen,
3 who has told me he sees in Obama’s mind and temperament
4 the kind of gifts Kennedy displayed
5 during the Cuban missile crisis.

I count Noonan among those too scared to say something against Obama, meek enough to feel she has to say something nice.

Nevertheless...GO OBAMA!!! Our best opponent by far.


14 posted on 12/29/2007 6:56:41 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( "Do well, but remember to do good.")
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To: jdm

Peggy Noonan wrote nice articles about Ronald Reagan. I hope after IOWA, the race is thrown WIDE OPEN, and we get to the National Conventions both parties are without a winner, and in the summer pick a candidate that never campaigned.


15 posted on 12/29/2007 6:58:08 AM PST by rovenstinez (,)
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To: xtinct

I agree with you.

I don’t use the “reasonable” criteria, but my criteria provides the same results.

If we have to have a Democrat president, I would rather it be Dodd or Biden at this point in history rather than “wet behind the ears”, or “the most evil person in the world”.

I believe that Hunter is the only true conservative on the Republican ticket, but Thompson is close and I can support Romney. No way for Huckabee.

Guiliani is the puzzle piece. I would support him against any Democrat candidate, but I wouldn’t be happy doing it.


16 posted on 12/29/2007 6:59:18 AM PST by Misplaced Texan (I hate toll roads.)
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To: xtinct

I’m afraid I don’t read Peggy since she seriously urged in her column that Cheney resign. I think she’s lovely but possibly a bit touched in the head.


17 posted on 12/29/2007 7:19:51 AM PST by Havisham
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To: xcamel
I would never vote for a Dem, but I have often wondered why Bill Richardson, a sitting governor, past U.N. official, half minority hasn’t been more aggressive in his campaign.

I doubt if a quarter of the people that call themselves Democrats ever know who he is.

18 posted on 12/29/2007 7:27:39 AM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: Havisham

agreed!


19 posted on 12/29/2007 7:28:28 AM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: freekitty
Apparently, Chris Dodd is now making reasonable sandwiches with Joe Biden. Dodd started by himself, but then Biden started to copy Dodd’s moves, and the rest is sandwich history.
20 posted on 12/29/2007 7:31:33 AM PST by Bernard (If you always tell the truth, you never have to remember exactly what you said.)
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To: Coldwater Creek
I have often wondered why Bill Richardson, [SNIP] hasn’t been more aggressive in his campaign. I doubt if a quarter of the people that call themselves Democrats ever know who he is.

He doesn't have the catchy name like Barack Obama, or a celebrity like Oprah to support him. Besides, there is some substance to Richardson, because he has actually made executive decisions as governor. That's a disadvantage with democrats, because in the make-believe world of leadership in the Senate, actual decisions are an option.

21 posted on 12/29/2007 7:35:03 AM PST by Bernard (If you always tell the truth, you never have to remember exactly what you said.)
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To: xtinct
I forgot Rudy Giuliani. That must say something. He is reasonable but not desirable.

I'm sure I agree that Rudy is not a desirable candidate. His chaotic life of cruelty toward his family renders him incapable of winning. His radical liberalism renders him incapable of winning.

I think Noonan is wrong about Giuliani being reasonable. It is not reasonable to have those skeletons that he has and to believe that you can win the conservative vote in America. He has wasted a lot of time and money on his narcissism.

22 posted on 12/29/2007 7:36:22 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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To: xtinct
“Here are two reasonables: Joe Biden and Chris Dodd. They have been United States senators for a combined 62 years.”

I have trouble seeing these two as “reasonable” both are far leftists that never saw a citizen disarmament law they couldn’t push.

23 posted on 12/29/2007 7:43:46 AM PST by marktwain
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To: xtinct

Noonan did a great job as Reagan’s speech writer. Her Challenger speech is one of the best ever.


24 posted on 12/29/2007 7:43:47 AM PST by Romneyfor President2008
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To: Nonstatist
He's not my number one choice but we'd be better off with him than McCain, Huckabee or Guliani, IMO

Agreed. Were he to be our nominee, Mitt Romney would not dare stab conservatives in the back. McCain and Giuliani have both proven they would. And Huckabee is just a little bit too much bucktooth cross-eyed evidence that there has been inbreeding going on in the Ozarks. Nice guy, but I don't want him as President of the United States.
25 posted on 12/29/2007 7:57:43 AM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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To: jdm
Hillary ‘most polarizing, distrusted political figure of my lifetime’...

she'll probably take this awful age by a landslide.

26 posted on 12/29/2007 8:09:34 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (whose spirit is hillary channelling these days?)
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To: xcamel
Agreed. Noonan nails it with that paragraph.

"All the Democrats would raise taxes as president, but Mr. Edwards's populism is the worst of both worlds, both intemperate and insincere. Also we can't have a president who spent two minutes on YouTube staring in a mirror and poofing his hair. Really, we just can't."

Love that.
27 posted on 12/29/2007 8:13:06 AM PST by fleagle ( An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. -Winston Churchill)
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To: Farmer Dean

Exactly. Biden and Dodd? Reasonable? She has lost her mind.


28 posted on 12/29/2007 8:13:12 AM PST by Boston Tea Party
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To: Farmer Dean

You’ve got to learn to continue reading, Farmer Dean.

Let’s face it. Ron Paul is not going to win this election; neither is Dennis Kucinich. (Nor would MY personal choice, Newt Gingrich)

The point of the article is to identify those leading candidates whose election would be disastrous for our country: 1) Hillary Clinton 2) John Edwards and 3) Mike Huckabee.

Noonan does NOT say Joe Biden and Chris Dodd are great candidates, just that they wouldn’t wreck the country if they were president.

If you REALLY want to do something to help your country, throw your own congressman out of office this time around. If EVERYBODY did that, we could truly take America back.


29 posted on 12/29/2007 8:31:59 AM PST by Walrus (Those who work should eat better than those who do not)
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To: xcamel

Bill Richardson is a fraud and a Clinton crony and facilitator. Having lived in New Mexico, and seen him at work, I would NEVER vote for him!!!

Fred on the other hand is great, though a little to reserved for the general public to get excited about.


30 posted on 12/29/2007 8:32:52 AM PST by Laserman
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To: Bernard

LOL So true


31 posted on 12/29/2007 8:46:42 AM PST by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: Walrus

She did use the word reasonable,and she just lost my interest at that point.I don’t waste my time reading an article that’s just a s—t shoveling exercise.


32 posted on 12/29/2007 8:58:21 AM PST by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: Romneyfor President2008
Noonan did a great job as Reagan’s speech writer. Her Challenger speech is one of the best ever.

I think she may have written this one too, if so, it's not too shabby either.

The Boys of Pointe du Hoc

We're here to mark that day in history when the Allied peoples joined in battle to reclaim this continent to liberty. For four long years, much of Europe had been under a terrible shadow. Free nations had fallen, Jews cried out in the camps, millions cried out for liberation. Europe was enslaved, and the world prayed for its rescue. Here in Normandy the rescue began. Here the Allies stood and fought against tyranny in a giant undertaking unparalleled in human history.

We stand on a lonely, windswept point on the northern shore of France. The air is soft, but forty years ago at this moment, the air was dense with smoke and the cries of men, and the air was filled with the crack of rifle fire and the roar of cannon. At dawn, on the morning of the 6th of June 1944, 225 Rangers jumped off the British landing craft and ran to the bottom of these cliffs. Their mission was one of the most difficult and daring of the invasion: to climb these sheer and desolate cliffs and take out the enemy guns. The Allies had been told that some of the mightiest of these guns were here and they would be trained on the beaches to stop the Allied advance.

The Rangers looked up and saw the enemy soldiers -- at the edge of the cliffs shooting down at them with machine-guns and throwing grenades. And the American Rangers began to climb. They shot rope ladders over the face of these cliffs and began to pull themselves up. When one Ranger fell, another would take his place. When one rope was cut, a Ranger would grab another and begin his climb again. They climbed, shot back, and held their footing. Soon, one by one, the Rangers pulled themselves over the top, and in seizing the firm land at the top of these cliffs, they began to seize back the continent of Europe. Two hundred and twenty-five came here. After two days of fighting only ninety could still bear arms.

Behind me is a memorial that symbolizes the Ranger daggers that were thrust into the top of these cliffs. And before me are the men who put them there.

These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc. These are the men who took the cliffs. These are the champions who helped free a continent. These are the heroes who helped end a war.

Gentlemen, I look at you and I think of the words of Stephen Spender's poem. You are men who in your 'lives fought for life...and left the vivid air signed with your honor'...

Forty summers have passed since the battle that you fought here. You were young the day you took these cliffs; some of you were hardly more than boys, with the deepest joys of life before you. Yet you risked everything here. Why? Why did you do it? What impelled you to put aside the instinct for self-preservation and risk your lives to take these cliffs? What inspired all the men of the armies that met here? We look at you, and somehow we know the answer. It was faith, and belief; it was loyalty and love.

The men of Normandy had faith that what they were doing was right, faith that they fought for all humanity, faith that a just God would grant them mercy on this beachhead or on the next. It was the deep knowledge -- and pray God we have not lost it -- that there is a profound moral difference between the use of force for liberation and the use of force for conquest. You were here to liberate, not to conquer, and so you and those others did not doubt your cause. And you were right not to doubt.

You all knew that some things are worth dying for. One's country is worth dying for, and democracy is worth dying for, because it's the most deeply honorable form of government ever devised by man. All of you loved liberty. All of you were willing to fight tyranny, and you knew the people of your countries were behind you.

33 posted on 12/29/2007 9:04:00 AM PST by mc5cents (Show me just what Mohammd brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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To: xtinct

I love Ms. Noonan, but one of her last articles rubbed me the wrong way. She seems to believe that the Republican Party is intolerant now, because religion has played such a large role in the campaign. I disagree. The front runners, at various times, have been Huckabee (Southern Baptist), Romney (Mormon), Giuliani (Catholic liberal), and McCain (Episcopal I think but rarely speaks of religion.) Ms. Noonan I think was overreacting.

Now that I have commented on her past article, I’ll be sure and read this one. :)


34 posted on 12/29/2007 9:12:57 AM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: xtinct

If writing speeches for Presidents Reagan and Bush(41) makes Miss Noonan a political expert, does writing intelligence reports and briefings for Presidents Carter and Reagan make me a foreign policy expert?


35 posted on 12/29/2007 10:02:42 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: Laserman

IMHO - slow and steady wins the race..


36 posted on 12/29/2007 10:08:22 AM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: Zack Nguyen

Zack:

Senator McCain was Episcopal, but recently became a Baptist. Senator Thompson is Church of Christ and I’m not sure about Congressmen Hunter or Paul.


37 posted on 12/29/2007 10:34:42 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: rovenstinez
I hope after IOWA, the race is thrown WIDE OPEN, and we get to the National Conventions both parties are without a winner

No one talks about that, but I see that as a real possibility this year. I think at least one of the parties has a brokered convention.

38 posted on 12/29/2007 10:48:50 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Laserman

>>Bill Richardson is a fraud and a Clinton crony and facilitator.<<

“Reasonable” Bill Richardson just said that we should immediately cut all military aid to Pakistan. Doesn’t sound any more “reasonable” to me than than Jimmy Carter’s decision to get rid of the Shah of Iran in the late 1970s. Yes, Musharraf is a corrupt thug, but who would fill the power vacuum after he was gone?


39 posted on 12/29/2007 11:12:06 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (I want to "Buy American" but the only things for sale made in the USA are politicians)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"does writing intelligence reports and briefings for Presidents Carter and Reagan make me a foreign policy expert?"

clueless...

but I thought Peggy Noonan did an ok job of pointing out the positives and the flaws in each candidate

It's important to get difference perspectives when voting in the primaries.

Independent here... leaning toward Fred who seems like the most normal of the bunch...

40 posted on 12/29/2007 11:30:18 AM PST by xtinct (I was the next door neighbor kid's imaginary friend.)
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To: Havisham
I’m afraid I don’t read Peggy since she seriously urged in her column that Cheney resign.

Yes, she seemed to think that Bush should replace Cheney after the accidental shooting. That was the most offensive, asinine Noonan column that I can recall reading.

She still has something to offer, as she shows in this sane, balanced column. Who else is going to write this sort of thing? Maybe Mona Charen, but probably not.

41 posted on 12/29/2007 3:29:59 PM PST by TChad
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thanks!


42 posted on 12/29/2007 5:47:00 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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