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Put people first [Environmentalists outlawed the best asthma inhalers!]
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | December 29, 2007 | SHAWN PIRRUNG

Posted on 12/29/2007 10:02:50 AM PST by grundle

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This is the result of the mindset that says that we have to protect the environment "regardless of the cost."

Banning these chemcials is a good idea, but only when there's a reasonable replacement.

Furthermore, the amount of these chemicals that's used in ashtma inhalers is insignificant.

Environmentalists do not understand the concept of "diminishing returns." Reducing the use of this chemical by 99% may make perfect sense. But stopping that last 1% is a bad idea, and this is a great example why.

1 posted on 12/29/2007 10:02:52 AM PST by grundle
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To: grundle

Environmentalist extremists don’t care. Consider how many people have died because of the DDT ban.


2 posted on 12/29/2007 10:07:02 AM PST by Morgan in Denver (If you hate Bush you deserve Hillary.)
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To: grundle
Banning these chemcials is a good idea

Has it really been proven that the chemicals did any harm much less have any effect on the environment at all?

And yes, the inhalers are complete junk. And tremendously expensive.

3 posted on 12/29/2007 10:07:02 AM PST by Mygirlsmom (Realtiy check: Fred is the only VIABLE conservative in this race.)
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To: grundle
Really amazing how human life means nothing to these radical environmentalists.
4 posted on 12/29/2007 10:08:13 AM PST by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Fourth Century)
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To: Morgan in Denver

No they don’t care. The less people that get in the way of despoiling their view of the trees, the better. Unless these people happen to be immigrants from the Third World—then its okay.


5 posted on 12/29/2007 10:09:35 AM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: grundle
This is the result of the mindset that says that we have to protect the environment "regardless of the cost."

Liberals never care when somebody else has to bear the cost.

6 posted on 12/29/2007 10:10:26 AM PST by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: rbg81

The goal is NOT the environment, but total Socialist control.

“We Must Embrace Environmentalism, For Socialism To Survive”-Hans-Jochen Vogel, Chairman of the West German Social Democratic Party-1989

Gorbachev said in 1987 that ENVIRONMENTALISM would be the vehicle for Socialist control of the world.

And, as things look at present, they may very well be correct........


7 posted on 12/29/2007 10:12:27 AM PST by tcrlaf (VOTE DEMOCRAT-You'll look great in a Burka!)
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To: grundle
it was not covered by my prescription coverage

Mine went from $10 co-pay to $100.

Thanks guys.

8 posted on 12/29/2007 10:12:32 AM PST by SouthTexas (Have a Merry and Blessed Christmas.)
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To: grundle

This fellow is nuts. The changes were made to replace the CFC propellant, not the medication itself. I’m not all that happy about it myself, but this story is inaccurate.


9 posted on 12/29/2007 10:12:44 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Mygirlsmom

Actually, I don’t know if it’s definitely been proven that they were harmful. But even if it was, that doesn’t justify this polcy.


10 posted on 12/29/2007 10:13:19 AM PST by grundle
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To: SouthTexas

Oh wow! That’s horrible!


11 posted on 12/29/2007 10:13:50 AM PST by grundle
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To: grundle

Funny....the environazis don’t seem too concerned about mercury in fluorescent lightbulbs.


12 posted on 12/29/2007 10:15:32 AM PST by randog (What the...?!)
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To: grundle
Told wife to keep going back to the pharmacy every month (only one per month) until either the script ran out of the pharmacy ran out.

Have a pretty good stash at the moment. :)

13 posted on 12/29/2007 10:15:44 AM PST by SouthTexas (Have a Merry and Blessed Christmas.)
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To: randog

Some of the greenies are actually fighting florescent because of that.


14 posted on 12/29/2007 10:17:11 AM PST by SouthTexas (Have a Merry and Blessed Christmas.)
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To: tcrlaf
Gorbachev said in 1987 that ENVIRONMENTALISM would be the vehicle for Socialist control of the world.

The neo-malthusians use socialism only because it works. They want to cut 95% of the human population, eliminate these excess people.

15 posted on 12/29/2007 10:17:21 AM PST by RightWhale (Dean Koonz is good, but my favorite authors are Dun and Bradstreet)
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To: grundle

Albuterol is what he is talking about—I agree the environmentalism is a total farce.


16 posted on 12/29/2007 10:17:56 AM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: grundle
Reminds me of the Space Shuttle foam problem

There were no problems before NASA went to a more "environmentally friendly" foam.

Proof that environmentalists cause lives to be lost.

17 posted on 12/29/2007 10:18:34 AM PST by KenHorse (The Internet. Enabling the village idiot to become the global idiot with the click of the mouse)
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To: r9etb

The propellant helped push the medication deeper into the lungs. Now with these new inhalers, it hardly comes out and you have to really inhale it in. If you’re in the middle of an asthma attack, that could be difficult.


18 posted on 12/29/2007 10:18:43 AM PST by Mygirlsmom (Realtiy check: Fred is the only VIABLE conservative in this race.)
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To: SouthTexas

Too late—the cat’s out of the bag. The soccer moms have been convinced that lighting 4,000 sq.ft. of home with fluorescent bulbs is saving the world.


19 posted on 12/29/2007 10:20:19 AM PST by randog (What the...?!)
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To: MaestroLC; rbg81
Really amazing how human life means nothing to these radical environmentalists.

Nor does the environment mean anything to them. That is just their symbol, like "the children". The disruption and the eventual destruction of American society is their goal.

If you view what they do rather than what they say the connection is obvious.

20 posted on 12/29/2007 10:20:20 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: grundle

Lets face it environmentalist are human haters and could care less about people. Look at the millions they have killed when they got DDT banned for NO REASON.


21 posted on 12/29/2007 10:21:16 AM PST by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the US Senate)
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To: r9etb
Yes, they both contain albuterol, but having used both, I can tell you that the delivery system makes a big difference and the new ones do not work as well.

(a) There is less pressure.
(b) It feels more powdery going down.

The last thing you want when you’re having an asthma attack is to blow powder down your throat.

No worries, I’m picking up a CFC prescription every time I leave the state so I’m well stocked,

22 posted on 12/29/2007 10:22:03 AM PST by keat (You know who I feel bad for? Arab-Americans who truly want to get into crop-dusting.)
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To: randog

Note to self: Must build of stash! :)


23 posted on 12/29/2007 10:22:34 AM PST by SouthTexas (Have a Merry and Blessed Christmas.)
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To: grundle

But in this instance the real blame belongs to the politicians who enacted the law that changed the inhalers.


24 posted on 12/29/2007 10:26:33 AM PST by Rudder
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To: grundle

Have you tried looking for the product overseas?

A good place to do business with is Masters Marketing in the UK. You might have to email them with the name of the product to find out if they can get it for you as stuff is often marketed under a different name in England. They will translate the US brand name into the UK brand name.

If it is a generic product it might be listed on their website.

http://www.masters-uk.com/medicines/home.php

You can order virtually any RX as long as it is not a controlled substance.


25 posted on 12/29/2007 10:27:01 AM PST by freespirited (Still a proud member of the Stupid Party. It beats the Evil Party any day of the week.)
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To: grundle

I use Maxair. It used to be that it actually worked. And then they changed it to the type of delivery system it has now. It doesnt work.

I dont like inhalers and never used them untill they decided that the MARAX that I was using for years and years was no longer needed. So I was put on Accolate-twice a day. Its as useless as the Maxair. Then...I am often told that Accolate is an old med and they cant get it...a pure bunch of bull. I travel a lot and I generally go to Walmart to get my meds filled. Some Walmarts are good and some are lazy useless SOBs. Like the one in Elkhart IN.


26 posted on 12/29/2007 10:27:02 AM PST by crz
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To: SouthTexas

I did the same thing. I work in the medical field so knew this was coming. My Albuterol inhaler is the only way I can do things outdoors certain times of the year. My sympathetic primary care MD wrote for a stockpile several months ago.


27 posted on 12/29/2007 10:28:50 AM PST by McLynnan
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To: freespirited

Masters Marketing doesn’t require a prescription?


28 posted on 12/29/2007 10:32:29 AM PST by McLynnan
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To: r9etb
Sorry, you're wrong.

The mole weight of the compound went from ~280 to ~480mg, and the propellant is not as forceful. Additionally, because of the 'new' formulation, it is again a proprietary formulation, so there are no substitutions available. Albuterol with CFC retailed at under $20; ProAir©HFA goes over $40.

29 posted on 12/29/2007 10:33:40 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: McLynnan

Nope. You just give the name of your doctor. It’s a CYA thing with them. They never do anything with it.

This is the result of the fuss made by AIDS patients years ago. The FDA was forced to adopt a Personal Use Policy that allows Americans to import drugs from overseas.


30 posted on 12/29/2007 10:35:38 AM PST by freespirited (Still a proud member of the Stupid Party. It beats the Evil Party any day of the week.)
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To: r9etb
This fellow is nuts. The changes were made to replace the CFC propellant, not the medication itself. I’m not all that happy about it myself, but this story is inaccurate.

The propellant or means of delivery can be just as critical as the medication in getting it into the persons airway efficiently and quickly. An example is a sinus allergy spray called Nasocort I think was the name. In a propellant spray mist delivery it worked almost instantly. The EPA and Lords of Stupidity however decided that it needed to be in the form of a typical squeeze bottle delivery {liquid} fer da environment of course. What once worked well became useless. Having the majority of it go down my throat rather than in a mist form absorbed by the membranes in my nasal passages made it a futile act and waste of money. Sinus allergy attacks can be very similar in nature to Asthma attacks. Getting instant relief should be the top priority.

31 posted on 12/29/2007 10:38:35 AM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: McLynnan
I use mine mainly at night, hard to go to sleep when you can't breath. :)

I was "pre-warned" the hard way. Doc said they will outlaw the present delivery system so I may as well get used to the new one. The albuterol is supposed to be the same.

32 posted on 12/29/2007 10:40:07 AM PST by SouthTexas (Have a Merry and Blessed Christmas.)
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To: grundle

Isn’t it too bad that this article includes NO specifics? It’s so vague, for those of us whose families use inhalers, that there is actually no reason to read it and truly no real information to glean from it.


33 posted on 12/29/2007 10:41:52 AM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: brityank
EDIT:

~280 to ~480mg should be micrograms, µg Sorry.

34 posted on 12/29/2007 10:42:18 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: Morgan in Denver
Environmentalist extremists don’t care. Consider how many people have died because of the DDT ban.

Worth repeating.

35 posted on 12/29/2007 10:42:48 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: freespirited

Wow, shows how naive I am. Wonder if all the hydrocodone seeking addicts know about this.


36 posted on 12/29/2007 10:44:01 AM PST by McLynnan
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To: grundle
Murder comes in many forms ... abortion, strangled athsmatics, shock therapy, gummint skool indoctrination ...

Anything to kill a man or at least his ability to think.

37 posted on 12/29/2007 10:44:44 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: SouthTexas

From what I know the albuterol is the same but the delivery system is much weaker. A respiratory therapist I know said the old propellant sent the medication deeper into the bronchia where it could provide the most relief. The new delivery system requires deeper inhalation as you spray it. Obviously these idiots have never had an asthma attack where inhaling is impossible. Good luck to you.


38 posted on 12/29/2007 10:47:53 AM PST by McLynnan
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To: grundle

bump


39 posted on 12/29/2007 10:47:58 AM PST by VOA
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To: cva66snipe; All

The fellow claims his medication changed. It did not. As I said, I’m not happy about the new delivery method myself — but the medication is not different.


40 posted on 12/29/2007 10:52:02 AM PST by r9etb
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To: bboop
Isn’t it too bad that this article includes NO specifics? It’s so vague, for those of us whose families use inhalers, that there is actually no reason to read it and truly no real information to glean from it.

Why should it? It's an ill-informed rant, not an "article" in the information-passing sense of the term.

41 posted on 12/29/2007 10:53:12 AM PST by r9etb
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Wow, shows how naive I am. Wonder if all the hydrocodone seeking addicts know about this.

LOL. You can't order hydrocodone. It's a controlled substance. But you can order an asthma inhaler, an antibiotic, blood pressure medication, prescription eye drops etc... and you may be shocked at how large some of the price differences are.

42 posted on 12/29/2007 11:01:12 AM PST by freespirited (Still a proud member of the Stupid Party. It beats the Evil Party any day of the week.)
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To: grundle

*growls*

This doesn’t surprise me one bit. I’ve personally had enviro-whackos tell me that they would support everything from violating the Constitution to outright genocide if it ‘ensured their future’.

And of course, for being against these fascist tactics, I’m accused of hating the environment (I do care about the earth...I’m just not going to shut my brain down and throw caution to the wind protecting it), I don’t care about my childrens’ future (assuming I have children with freaks like them running around), etc etc etc.

It’s times like these I wish time travel was possible. I’d like to go back in time and give that woman (what’s her name) who wrote that story or paper about the effects of DDT a piece of my mind. She was the beginning of the “save the environment at all costs” movement.


43 posted on 12/29/2007 11:01:49 AM PST by RWB Patriot
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To: Morgan in Denver

This whole ozone layer thing is BullSquat. They didn’t even know of its existence until technology became sophisticated enough to detect and measure it. Then socialist environmentalists arbitrarily started to make up theories about it. As for CFCs, the aledged culprit that they espouse, if you look at an analysis of the CFCs spewed out in a typical volcano such as Mount St. Helens, the quantities makes man-made CFCs a dwarf contribution by comparison. This is like man-made global warming. Anyone believing than man could even begin to create this stuff in the quantities that nature does is a complete idiot.
It’s all just more Junk-Science.


44 posted on 12/29/2007 11:01:53 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Before the government can give you a dollar it must first take it from another American)
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To: BuffaloJack

Agreed. I have to remember it because I have to buy Freon occasionally, IF I can find it.


45 posted on 12/29/2007 11:04:22 AM PST by Morgan in Denver (If you hate Bush you deserve Hillary.)
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Environmentalist extremists don’t care. Consider how many people have died because of the DDT ban.

Exactly. To the eco-nuts, the only illegitimate species on this planet is Homo sapiens.

46 posted on 12/29/2007 11:05:06 AM PST by hunter112 (Hillary Clinton - America’s Ex-Wife®)
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To: r9etb
The fellow claims his medication changed. It did not.

Read it again closer. His insurance company is who made the claim. They did it so the drug list formulary would be changed making it a new medication thus saving them a bundle. If you read it closely it makes sense. The propellant ingredients as well as the medication is what actually made it effective thus it is altered. Changing the ingredients including the propellant changed the medication. The propellant is as much a part of the treatment as the chemicals it delivers. That is how they work. If you don't get a good delivery it's useless.

47 posted on 12/29/2007 11:07:32 AM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: BuffaloJack

The problem with the ban on CFCs is that socialist environmentalists were able to railroad the bans through before the era of blog chat rooms like Free Republic. They took advantage of the fact that there wasn’t an organized resistance to the dogma of alarmism that was being spread by the environmental movement. If the ozone layer had been discovered one year ago and they tried this propaganda campaign, it wouldn’t work. Its harder to badger the real scientists now than it was 10 or 15 years ago.


48 posted on 12/29/2007 11:08:14 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Before the government can give you a dollar it must first take it from another American)
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To: McLynnan

Is the problem that the product is no longer an aerosol, or is the problem that it is an aerosol but lacks CFC?


49 posted on 12/29/2007 11:08:52 AM PST by freespirited (Still a proud member of the Stupid Party. It beats the Evil Party any day of the week.)
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To: freespirited

I’m relieved about the hydrocodone, lol. Thanks for the link — I’ve bookmarked it. Besides checking out FR, the reason I sat down at the computer this afternoon was to order pet meds. I’ll try your link first next time. I use Retin A and the price difference looks significant even with my copay. I also use Restasis (eyedrops) so will check that out too.


50 posted on 12/29/2007 11:09:12 AM PST by McLynnan
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