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Put people first [Environmentalists outlawed the best asthma inhalers!]
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | December 29, 2007 | SHAWN PIRRUNG

Posted on 12/29/2007 10:02:50 AM PST by grundle

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To: Morgan in Denver

“Environmentalist extremists don’t care. Consider how many people have died because of the DDT ban.”

Good response.


51 posted on 12/29/2007 11:18:41 AM PST by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: grundle
"This is the problem with the politicians, and especially those who are so worried about the environment: They forget what and who is important -- people."

The environmentalists and the politicians they OWN do NOT believe that people are important. The planet and its animal inhabitants all come before worthless humans. Soon the politicians will figure out a way to have the animals registered and their "advocates" able to vote for them if the illegals don't pan out.

52 posted on 12/29/2007 11:21:02 AM PST by penowa
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To: grundle

This is so true. I complained to my doctor and pharmacist about the new inhalers, saying they didn’t work nearly so well as the previous ones. They agreed with me and said that in default of satisfactory bronchodilators, providers were turning more and more to using nebulizers and inhaled or oral steroids than had been the case in the past twenty-five or so years. We have taken several steps back in the care of asthma patients, and some patients are going to pay with their lives.

Yet what, really, is the benefit to the environment if a few asthma patients allow a few sprays of this dispensing medium into the atmosphere? The idea that the tiny amount in one actualization of a lung spray could actually harm the environment or contribute to global warming is absurd.


53 posted on 12/29/2007 11:34:10 AM PST by ottbmare
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To: Mygirlsmom

I didn’t know there had been a chance. Is it the medical formulation that is junk, or only the inhaler?
My 2 year old has asthma.


54 posted on 12/29/2007 11:38:13 AM PST by tbw2 (Science fiction with real science - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: grundle

It used to be that public health and safety came first. This is no longer the case. Consider the millions of acres of unmanaged forest and dangerous fuel build up near communities. Even when local government declares it a hazard and a public nuisance and orders abatement, the environmentalist simply appeal, vetoing any effort to reduce the hazard.

It really is the smae thing as asthma inhalers. Regulations used to be limited to the prevention of substantial injury to public health and safety. Now, they not only run to further public policy to promote actions favoring animals and plants and to reduce an imagined miniscule contribution to global warming, they subordinate the original intent and justification of regulations with individual freedom falling to the side.


55 posted on 12/29/2007 11:45:37 AM PST by marsh2
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To: pandoraou812

“Ping!”


56 posted on 12/29/2007 11:45:42 AM PST by yorkie ( For God so loved the world........................ that He didn't send a committee.)
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To: McLynnan

For pet meds I sometimes use a place in Australia. Never had a problem with them, they are reputable.

http://www.petshed.com

Best price I could find on the Frontline Plus.


57 posted on 12/29/2007 11:48:41 AM PST by freespirited (Still a proud member of the Stupid Party. It beats the Evil Party any day of the week.)
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To: Mygirlsmom; r9etb

This may sound strange......but have you tried caffeine?

A medical doctor told my friend that caffeine has a molecule that is almost identical to that of medications found in asthama inhalers.

Doctor says caffeine is a lung inflater (serves the same purpose as inhalers).

My friend who used an inhaler 1-2 a day now takes sips of caffinated coffee at the onset of an attack, and no longer needs an inhaler.

The caffeine must be brewed coffee-—instant does not work.

Might be a good idea to check with your doctor before proceeding-—although there are no known cures for asthama. If you find a treatment that works-—great.

Another way to help the condition is to amp up your Omega 3’s. Usually found in salmon, but many asthmatics cannot eat seafood. You can buy flaxseed oil or flaxseed meal that is easily added to foods (it has no flavor-—and about 2000 mg of Omega 3).


58 posted on 12/29/2007 12:16:21 PM PST by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: penowa

Geez, maybe that’s what NAIS is really all about (and I’m hoping I’m being sarcastic)


59 posted on 12/29/2007 12:25:33 PM PST by coydog (Keep Canada green - paint a Liberal!)
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To: Liz

Thanks Liz. My inhaler use is limited - I don’t have asthma per se, but my girls and I have inhalers that we use on occasion. I am a recent convert to coffee (what have I been missing all these years?) and have found that my breathing is actually better. I never made the connection.


60 posted on 12/29/2007 12:32:33 PM PST by Mygirlsmom (Realtiy check: Fred is the only VIABLE conservative in this race.)
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To: SouthTexas

Doesn’t the albuterol expire? Then what? I think all of us asthmatics need to go to our Congresscritters’ doors and give them an earfull!


61 posted on 12/29/2007 12:41:52 PM PST by Darnright
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To: tbw2
I didn’t know there had been a change. Is it the medical formulation that is junk, or only the inhaler?

My 2 year old has asthma.

Ask your child's doctor as soon as possible and your pharmacist as well.

When I need an inhaler I don't have time to ask questions then,,,,, I need it right then, not in a few days or weeks!

62 posted on 12/29/2007 12:42:53 PM PST by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: r9etb

I can vouch that the “new & improved” inhalors aren’t worth a damn. Whoever required this change should have to use them for the rest of their life, and let’s just see how they like it! The new propellant doesn’t do the job, and, in fact, is defective from the “git-go”. Don’t tell me the guy is nuts, as I have to tell you unless you use them too, he is spot on. You should promptly apologize for your snide comment. We don’t need that kind of crap on FR.


63 posted on 12/29/2007 12:59:16 PM PST by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: Liz
"A medical doctor told my friend that caffeine has a molecule that is almost identical to that of medications found in asthama inhalers."

This a poor man's method of helping people with asthma. It is not nearly as effective, but if you were say, out in the woods, with no other access to meds, it is reasonable to try first.

64 posted on 12/29/2007 1:10:41 PM PST by boop (Democracy is the theory that the people get the government they deserve, good and hard.)
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To: geezerwheezer
"The new propellant doesn’t do the job, and, in fact, is defective from the “git-go”."

I knew this was going to happen when I heard that congress outlawed the propellant from inhalers. My patients are not happy with the "new" hfa inhalers. For a person with a severe attack, they are not nearly as effective. The idiot politicians are directly to blame if someone dies because of this.

65 posted on 12/29/2007 1:13:34 PM PST by boop (Democracy is the theory that the people get the government they deserve, good and hard.)
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To: Mygirlsmom
I am a recent convert to coffee and have found that my breathing is actually better. I never made the connection.

Interesting that a medical doctor (not a homeopath or naturpath) was aware of the caffeine molecule---MD's are not known for nutrition-based remedies.

If you have a checkup, you'll find many doctors record whether a patient (not necessarily an asthama patient) uses caffeine.

Course there are several downsides to caffeine but medications too have their downsides.

Just read where caffeine ingestion is also being looked at as a cancer deterrent.

66 posted on 12/29/2007 1:28:28 PM PST by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: grundle

Advair has been the best asthma medicine I have ever used. Use it twice a day, morning and night. Anybody with asthma, check it out, seriously. And it’s a powder inhaler, so they can’t claim it’s bad for the environment.


67 posted on 12/29/2007 1:30:15 PM PST by mysterio
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To: boop

It was recommended as an alternative for a person who does not like taking medication.........not based on cost.


68 posted on 12/29/2007 1:31:45 PM PST by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: grundle

If I were in your position I would mail order a case from Mexico or Canada.


69 posted on 12/29/2007 1:33:51 PM PST by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: mysterio

Advair doesn’t help in the case of an attack - consistent use is supposed to minimize the occurrences, but asthmatics still need rescue inhalers at their disposal.


70 posted on 12/29/2007 1:40:39 PM PST by Mygirlsmom (Realtiy check: Fred is the only VIABLE conservative in this race.)
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To: Mygirlsmom

This is true. But for some reason, my asthma was never helped that much by rescue inhalers, and Advair really does the trick. I’m probably an odd case.


71 posted on 12/29/2007 1:43:04 PM PST by mysterio
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To: Darnright
Didn't think about that, will have to check and see if there is an expiration date.

Wife just told me I'm no going to Mexico for drugs. Hell, I used to. ;)

72 posted on 12/29/2007 1:47:10 PM PST by SouthTexas (Have a Merry and Blessed Christmas.)
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To: geezerwheezer
Don’t tell me the guy is nuts, as I have to tell you unless you use them too, he is spot on. You should promptly apologize for your snide comment. We don’t need that kind of crap on FR.

I use them too, so (according to your fractured syntax) he is not spot on.

The comment stands -- the author issued a whiny rant. We don't need that kind of crap on FR.

73 posted on 12/29/2007 1:58:24 PM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb
... but the medication is not different.

The formulation DID change.

If only the propellant changed, then the mole weight would be the same.
It's not -- check the PDR.
If the medication had not changed, the formulary for the insurance companies would retain it as a compatible Rx.
It's not -- and they don't.

Get some facts to back up you statements, and provide them.

74 posted on 12/29/2007 2:02:48 PM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: grundle
They used to use R-12 as a propellent; harmless and very effective.

R-134A replaced R-12 for all refrigerant uses with similar requirements but is toxic when used in inhalers.

But the EPA overruled their own de-minimus waiver and made the manufacturers switch to less effective gases.

75 posted on 12/29/2007 2:10:23 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: MaestroLC

Read the party line:

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/66531.php


76 posted on 12/29/2007 2:15:18 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: brityank
It so happens that I have in front of me two packages: one of CFC-propelled (Warrick Pharmaceuticals), and one of non-CFC-propelled albuterol inhalers (Proventil). The latter was a replacement for the former.

The labels for each package state that each inhalation provides 90 mcg of albuterol from the mouthpiece.

So -- should I believe you, or my lying eyes?

77 posted on 12/29/2007 2:18:20 PM PST by r9etb
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To: bboop

Go to the link and you’ll see it is more a letter to the editor sort of thing.


78 posted on 12/29/2007 2:20:47 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: r9etb
Take a look at the molecular make-up of the compound; you will find close to it the mole weight or molecular weight of the compound in micrograms. Tell me what they each say.

I have the same one from Warrick someplace, and one from ProAir©HFA. I know they are different, and my Doc is chasing it back through his med center contacts. He agrees, it is different.

79 posted on 12/29/2007 2:23:57 PM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: r9etb

“I recently needed to refill my inhaler and was told by the local pharmacist that the inhaler was now different because it contained ingredients that harmed the ozone layer. However, these ingredients were the most effective for helping calm down an asthma attack.”

The propellent is one of the ingredients; the gentleman who wrote the letter never uses the word medicine.


80 posted on 12/29/2007 2:24:37 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: freespirited

The replacement gas has no chlorine atoms and can’t be pressurized to the same level and not leak through the walls of the inhaler body; it doesn’t blow as hard and must be used before the hydrogen all migrates out as a fugitive gas.


81 posted on 12/29/2007 2:29:31 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: mysterio

You must be made out of money; doesn’t that stuff have a warning not to use it or extended periods?


82 posted on 12/29/2007 2:34:03 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: r9etb

Sorry you don’t approve of my fractured syntax, now ask me who cares what you approve of? (notice I ended the sentence with a preposition. Reckon that might keep me out of Harvard or something like that?)


83 posted on 12/29/2007 2:38:12 PM PST by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: r9etb

Yes, I see, now, that it is just a Letter to the Editor or something. A rant, as you say.


84 posted on 12/29/2007 2:40:23 PM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: brityank
Proventil is albuterol sulfate, empirical formula is (C13H21NO3)2·H2SO4.

Warrick is albuterol. The empirical formula is C13H21NO3.

The sulfate is not counted against the base dosage of 90 mcg.

85 posted on 12/29/2007 2:40:29 PM PST by r9etb
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To: geezerwheezer
now ask me who cares what you approve of?

You do -- if you didn't, you wouldn't have said such silly things to me.

86 posted on 12/29/2007 2:41:19 PM PST by r9etb
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To: Old Professer

My copay on advair is pretty cheap. I think it’s like $20 or $30 a month. My doctor never told me to stop using it. Although many days I don’t use it twice.


87 posted on 12/29/2007 2:42:05 PM PST by mysterio
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To: boop

I was shot in my left lung in 1968 in Viet Nam. I have developed severe asthma as I’ve grown older, and I must say the new CFA’s just flat don’t do anything to help me when I really need help. You are correct in saying someone will die for the political stupidity being forced on us by the change, and I hope it is one of the politicians it happens to first!


88 posted on 12/29/2007 2:43:49 PM PST by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: r9etb

Actually, I was only being polite what with the holidays and all. Normally I don’t suffer fools and just ignore them, but in your case I changed my mind.


89 posted on 12/29/2007 2:47:38 PM PST by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: geezerwheezer

Well, see, I judge a fellow’s argument in part based on whether he can express a coherent thought. You can talk about fools all you want — but you’d best not write like one when you do it.


90 posted on 12/29/2007 2:50:33 PM PST by r9etb
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To: grundle

If the inhaler proved to help animals breathe better then it would still be available.


91 posted on 12/29/2007 2:53:50 PM PST by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: r9etb

Yes Mother Hen.


92 posted on 12/29/2007 2:57:17 PM PST by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: geezerwheezer

A bit twisty-knickered today, eh?


93 posted on 12/29/2007 2:58:30 PM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb
The Warrick Albuterol has a molecular weight of albuterol of 239.3 µg.
My ProAir©HFA (albuterol sulfate) has a molecular weight of albuterol sulfate of 576.7 µg.

The formulation changed.

The insert for my ProAir©HFA states it delivers 108 µg albuterol sulfate (equivalent to 90 µg of albuterol).

They lowered the speed of delivery, and inreased the weight of the 'bullet'. The new formulation is not effective.

94 posted on 12/29/2007 3:03:13 PM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: r9etb

Does your elevator go all the way to the top, or are the doors just stuck? Folks like you drive us normal folks to drink adult beverages while trying to forget your existence. Have a nice day!


95 posted on 12/29/2007 3:03:37 PM PST by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: brityank

I have already noted my dissatisfaction with the new delivery method. I note, however, that the medication is not different. Proventil used the same formulation before and after the propellant change — there’s no difference in the medication.


96 posted on 12/29/2007 3:09:38 PM PST by r9etb
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To: geezerwheezer

Yup. Definitely twisty-knickered.


97 posted on 12/29/2007 3:10:26 PM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb

Maybe no difference in your medication, but there is in mine and most others. As I noted above, the mole weights prove it, and the pharma and insurance companies are raping the patients (and taxpayers for Medicare/Medicade) for an unneeded and unwarranted environmental change. This is a rip-off, pure and simple.


98 posted on 12/29/2007 3:15:55 PM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: yorkie; TigersEye

They did this to Sassy too. The insurance company informed me they would no longer pay for her old inhaler which DID work better . So we had to change them & she is now using the new inhaler more often. GRR!


99 posted on 12/29/2007 6:06:46 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( Its NOT for the good of the children! Its BS along with bending over for Muslim's demands)
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To: freespirited

Thanks. You’re a treasure trove of shopping information!


100 posted on 12/29/2007 6:44:00 PM PST by McLynnan
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