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A Degree of Insignificance (College Degrees getting to be useless nowadays)
WorldnetDaily ^ | 12/29/2007 | Phyllis Schlafly

Posted on 12/29/2007 4:25:58 PM PST by SeekAndFind

.S. News & World Report, which has made a name for itself by ranking and announcing the best colleges every year, is now ranking and listing the best careers for young people. A comparison of the latest lists shows a shocking disconnect and makes for dispiriting holiday reading.

While the price of a college education has skyrocketed far faster than inflation, many careers for which colleges prepare their graduates are disappearing. U.S. News' Best Careers guide concludes, "college grads might want to consider blue-collar careers" because bachelor's degree holders "are having trouble finding jobs that require college-graduate skills."

Incredibly, U.S. News is telling college graduates to look for jobs that do not require a college diploma. Among the 31 best opportunities for 2008 are the careers of firefighter, hairstylist, cosmetologist, locksmith and security-system technician.

Where did the higher-skill jobs go? Both large and small companies are "quietly increasing off-shoring efforts."

Ten years ago, we were told we really didn't need manufacturing because it can be done more cheaply elsewhere, that auto workers and others should move to information-age jobs. But now the information jobs are moving offshore, too, as well as marketing research and even many varieties of innovation.

The flight overseas includes professional as well as low-wage jobs, with engineering jobs offshored to India and China. Thousands of bright Asian engineers are willing to work for a fraction of U.S. wages, which is why Boeing just signed a 10-year, $1 billion-a-year deal with a government-run company in India.

Society has been telling high school students that college is the ticket to get a life, and politicians are pandering to parents' desire for their children to be better educated and so have a higher standard of living.

(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ba; bs; careers; college; degree; highereducation; insignificant; jobs; ma; ms; outsourcing
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1 posted on 12/29/2007 4:26:01 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

That’s certainly not true in the tech/engineering world.


2 posted on 12/29/2007 4:28:16 PM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Corporates get what they want from their universities.

The following are Fortune 500s that filed briefs in favor of “affirmative action” in the Michigan “Grutter v. Bollinger” (Michigan University) case.

http://www.umich.edu/~urel/admissions/legal/gru_amicus/32_internatl.pdf

3M
Abbott Laboratories
American Airlines
Ashland
Bank One
Boeing
Coca-Cola
Dow Chemical
E.I. Du Pont De Nemours
Eastman Kodak
Eli Lilly
Ernst & Young
Exelon
Fannie Mae
General Dynamics
General Mills
Intel
Johnson & Johnson
Kellogg
KPMG
Lucent Technologies
Microsoft
Mitsubishi
Nationwide Mutual Insurance
Nationwide Financial
Pfizer
PPG
Proctor & Gamble
Sara Lee
Steelcase
Texaco
TRW
United Airlines
General Motors Corporation

http://www.umich.edu/~urel/admissions/legal/gru_amicus/gru_gm.html


3 posted on 12/29/2007 4:31:06 PM PST by familyop
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To: SeekAndFind

Maybe it should state: College degrees are as necessary now as high school degrees once were.


4 posted on 12/29/2007 4:31:25 PM PST by bannie
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To: SeekAndFind
Image hosted by Photobucket.com yeah... if it has a STUDIES after the name they don't!!!

science and engineering will ALWAYS be use full.

5 posted on 12/29/2007 4:31:58 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: SeekAndFind

Read later.


6 posted on 12/29/2007 4:32:01 PM PST by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publici scholae)
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To: SeekAndFind

A college degree gives you nothing but a “foot in the door.” The rest is up to your own personal initiative.


7 posted on 12/29/2007 4:35:33 PM PST by dfwgator (11+7+15=3 Heismans)
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To: SeekAndFind
Yeah, but those student loan$ are every bit as real as ever.
8 posted on 12/29/2007 4:35:38 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Chode

Yeah, this article (if you can call it that) is a little short on the facts. Chemical Engineering beats Sports Physiology, and it always will.


9 posted on 12/29/2007 4:36:40 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: stuartcr
That’s certainly not true in the tech/engineering world.

Yeah, but those are real degrees.

Education, communications, general studies, etc. are just certificates of attendance.

But the student loans the dumb suckers are saddled with are real.

10 posted on 12/29/2007 4:37:42 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: stuartcr
My grandson has been accepted at Iowa State and Rose Hulman. He will be studying engineering.

Is the degree from Rose Hulman worth that much more than the degree from Iowa State?

11 posted on 12/29/2007 4:38:24 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: 1rudeboy

Students with egineering degrees are getting summer COOP jobs and earning $15,000-$20,000 for about 3 1/2 months work.
They are getting 4-5 offers with starting salaries of $55,000 to $60,000.


12 posted on 12/29/2007 4:40:24 PM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: SeekAndFind

The implication that the college grads having trouble finding jobs are engineers is really misleading. The ones who have the most trouble are the ones who major in something like “Women’s Studies” or “Multiculturalism”. The only jobs available for those degree holders are teaching in the University system.

There are a lot of useless degrees these days, but engineering degrees (with the possible exception of software engineering) are not among them.


13 posted on 12/29/2007 4:41:46 PM PST by speekinout
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

No. RH is a fine school, but it is not really better than a recognized state school.


14 posted on 12/29/2007 4:42:51 PM PST by fuente
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To: SeekAndFind
I recently received a Master’s Degree in Accounting and I cannot find a good job. The degree seems to be worthless. I think George Bush eliminated the accounting jobs and outsourced them to India. He has been such a disaster for the USA. I voted for him twice and I now I realize that he sold out the USA. I can’t wait till I never have to hear the name Bush again. (the only thing I got from the degree is a great big student loan to repay. I did not receive any of the money, the shyster college kept getting loans for me and taking the money for tuition. The teachers at my college sucked! I cannot pay the loans because I cannot get a job.)
15 posted on 12/29/2007 4:43:05 PM PST by GinaLolaB
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To: SeekAndFind

“When are we going to call a halt to the way globalism is destroying U.S. jobs by foreign currency manipulation, theft of our intellectual property, shipping us poisonous seafood and toys, and unfair trade agreements that allow foreign subsidies (through the so-called Value Added Tax) to massively discriminate against U.S. producers and workers?”

That’s exactly the same way England threw away its empire and its status as a world leader.


16 posted on 12/29/2007 4:43:50 PM PST by dsc
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To: Chode
"science and engineering will ALWAYS be use full."

...especially after oil goes over $200 (think freight fuel, wars).
17 posted on 12/29/2007 4:44:24 PM PST by familyop
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To: Maine Mariner

Confirm that with daughter about to graduate with MS Mech Eng; one (large) company has been practically begging her to quit school and come to work NOW.


18 posted on 12/29/2007 4:44:33 PM PST by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: stuartcr

“A Duke University spokesman said that 40 percent of Duke’s engineering graduates cannot get engineering jobs. A Duke University publication suggests that the best prospect for good engineering jobs is for the U.S. government to start another major project like going to the moon.”


19 posted on 12/29/2007 4:44:44 PM PST by dsc
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To: GinaLolaB
I think George Bush eliminated the accounting jobs and outsourced them to India.

"Bush's fault!"

20 posted on 12/29/2007 4:45:53 PM PST by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: dsc

Nice. World Net Daily even embeds some hyperlinks in the passage to make it look authentic.


21 posted on 12/29/2007 4:49:18 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: GinaLolaB

Sheesh! Do you ever take responsibility for your decisions/life?


22 posted on 12/29/2007 4:49:49 PM PST by BARLF
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To: SeekAndFind; shag377; SoftballMominVA
The teachers at our school were told several years ago that 80% of the jobs in the 21st century would not require college degrees, but tech school instead.

No one seems to have told the Georgia Dept. of Ed., which thinks all students should be on college tracks, or the districts that are reducing vo-tech offerings...but it's gonna be hard to outsource plumbers, electricians, and automobile repairmen, I think.

23 posted on 12/29/2007 4:51:03 PM PST by Amelia
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To: SeekAndFind; abclily; aberaussie; albertp; AliVeritas; Amelia; AnAmericanMother; andie74; ...

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24 posted on 12/29/2007 4:51:11 PM PST by SoftballMominVA (Never wrestle with a pig; he wants to get dirty anyway.)
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To: GinaLolaB

Why do you think Bush caused this and not the market? I work for a corporation that has outsourced some of its engineering work to India simply because it’s less expensive as well as some creative jobshifting across North American. (We are under a lot of pressure from the shareholders to be “more efficient.”) And yet, they’ve not cut their North American or UK (AFAIK European too) staff — in fact we’re hiring for positions that were vacated.


25 posted on 12/29/2007 4:51:15 PM PST by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: BARLF
Sheesh! Do you ever take responsibility for your decisions/life?

There are hundreds of people chasing one or two job openings. In the mean time, the student loan people are sending me letters everyday wondering where the money that they sent to the college for my tuition is.

26 posted on 12/29/2007 4:53:30 PM PST by GinaLolaB
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Iowa State has an excellent reputation. I haven’t really heard of Rose Hulman but they may have a world renown engineering program.


27 posted on 12/29/2007 4:53:42 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: GinaLolaB
The teachers at my college sucked! I cannot pay the loans because I cannot get a job.)

I hear the military is hiring.... It is unlikely you would get shot at with a masters in accounting..

28 posted on 12/29/2007 4:54:12 PM PST by EVO X
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To: stuartcr
That’s certainly not true in the tech/engineering world.

Can someone then verify this statement from the same article :

"A Duke University spokesman said that 40 percent of Duke's engineering graduates cannot get engineering jobs. A Duke University publication suggests that the best prospect for good engineering jobs is for the U.S. government to start another major project like going to the moon. "

If it is true that there is great demand for tech/engineering in this country, how on earth can an elite college like Duke graduate engineering students where close to half are begging for engineering jobs ?
29 posted on 12/29/2007 4:55:05 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Maine Mariner
Students with egineering degrees are getting summer COOP jobs and earning $15,000-$20,000 for about 3 1/2 months work. They are getting 4-5 offers with starting salaries of $55,000 to $60,000.

The same article alleges that a Duke University spokesman says that 40% of their engineering graduates cannot get an engineering job !

Either this is false or there are literally no engineering jobs in that part of the world. I find it hard to believe that an elite school like Duke cannot help their engineering grads find work.

One other possibility is these grads have so high salary expectations that they are rejecting entry level offers en masse leaving employers no choice but to go overseas.
30 posted on 12/29/2007 4:55:06 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Education, communications, general studies, etc. are just certificates of attendance.

Come to New York City if you have an Education degree. The public schools are begging for teachers. The New York Post recently had an article on the teacher shortage in the City.
31 posted on 12/29/2007 4:55:06 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: GinaLolaB
You have a Master’s in Accounting and you can’t find a “good job”? That requires a willing suspension of disbelief. Since the entire profession is looking for people at all levels, I don’t think your expectations match the market.
32 posted on 12/29/2007 4:56:19 PM PST by Bernard (If you always tell the truth, you never have to remember exactly what you said.)
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To: stuartcr

Glad to hear that, just as I was wondering. Our son is a Jr at Boulder in Computer Science. He said no one is majoring in that and the field is screaming along, wide open for the soon-to-be grads.


33 posted on 12/29/2007 4:56:56 PM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: SeekAndFind
One of the major problems is student loans. The availability has allowed colleges to increase the tuition much higher than inflation. And it is continuing so that it is almost impossible for a college education for the middle class to the poor. Don’t see any easy answer.
34 posted on 12/29/2007 4:57:07 PM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I work in IT, and a college degree for an IT person is nearly useless. As a matter of fact the more educated people have been that Ive worked with over the years, the less ‘smart’ they are about the job.

A diploma helps an IT professional as much as it helps an auto mechanic.


35 posted on 12/29/2007 4:58:05 PM PST by KoRn
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To: GinaLolaB

My son got his MBA from Boston College in May. I can’t tell you how many job offers he got but there have been plenty. His biggest decision was which one to choose.


36 posted on 12/29/2007 4:58:35 PM PST by surrey
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To: SeekAndFind
"Among the 31 best opportunities for 2008 are the careers of firefighter, hairstylist, cosmetologist, locksmith and security-system technician."

Oh, please.

Either you go to college or you get a job catering to my children.

Trust me, you don't want that aggravation.

37 posted on 12/29/2007 4:58:57 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: GinaLolaB
In the mean time, the student loan people are sending me letters everyday wondering where the money that they sent to the college for my tuition is.

Sounds like you're pretty much out of options, unless you consider getting a job. First jobs out of college aren't always the best. Sucks to be you, but no more so than for anyone else.
38 posted on 12/29/2007 4:59:04 PM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: sionnsar
Why do you think Bush caused this and not the market?

Because Bush is always peddling the free trade agreements and globalization. He is even peddling another wonderful trade deal to South Korea right now. Bush even outlawed telemarketing and then the RNC exempted themselves and also outsourced their telemarketing to India.

Believe me, I know what the globalists are doing because I have taken all of those worthless college business courses. They are maximizing profits for the shareholders. Their opinion is to screw the American Worker.

39 posted on 12/29/2007 4:59:05 PM PST by GinaLolaB
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To: GinaLolaB
I think George Bush eliminated the accounting jobs and outsourced them to India.

You have a Masters and you come up with this? No wonder you have a problem.

40 posted on 12/29/2007 4:59:48 PM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: GinaLolaB
There are hundreds of people chasing one or two job openings.

McDonald's and the Home Depot are always hiring. Pizza delivery is also a good night time gig.

41 posted on 12/29/2007 4:59:54 PM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: SeekAndFind

Having a B.S. (that’s Bachelor of Science not Bull S**t) means your resume won’t be tossed in the garbage and you might actually get an interview.


42 posted on 12/29/2007 5:00:24 PM PST by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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43 posted on 12/29/2007 5:00:41 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: GinaLolaB

oh please!...there are a good number of things to be upset with GWB over...(immigration, ramos & compean, spending, not firing commies who were clinton appointees when the Bush 1st took office, etc..) but the fact that you can’t personally find a job in accounting isn’t one of them.


44 posted on 12/29/2007 5:00:51 PM PST by paltz
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To: GinaLolaB

I have a Master’s in Bus Ad and my Bachelor’s is in accounting. Rather than look for a position in accounting or become a CPA I looked for other jobs. I was probably overqualified but the position I took and stayed with was as a faculty recruiter for a private university. They loved the fact that I had a degree that I actually had to work for. I started there with the Bachelors and they paid for the Masters.
After working there for quite a few years and reading resumes from people with Master’s and even Doctorates I relized that the money is not there for most college graduates. I talked my own daughter and nephew into trade specialties. They make a heckuva lot more money than the college grads around here.
Try looking in other areas, don’t get locked into accounting. Prospective employers may be impressed with your degree. It shows that you were willing to work hard to get it.


45 posted on 12/29/2007 5:00:56 PM PST by sheana
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To: SeekAndFind

Bump for later. I’ve got a lot of insight to offer on this topic, but it will take some time to post it.


46 posted on 12/29/2007 5:02:41 PM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The public schools are begging for teachers. The New York Post recently had an article on the teacher shortage in the City.

The reason NYC has a teacher shortage is that teachers are in physical danger at many of those public schools. Same thing in the barrio schools in L.A.

47 posted on 12/29/2007 5:06:09 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: SeekAndFind

There is a dirty little secret out in the world, certain big companies are hiring MS or better only. The reason being with grade inflation, a BA is BS. Students have to pass a test to get into grad school, plus they are picky to boot.


48 posted on 12/29/2007 5:07:10 PM PST by razorback-bert (Remember that amateurs built the Ark while professionals built the Titanic.)
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To: GinaLolaB
Are you serious or being sarcastic?
49 posted on 12/29/2007 5:07:29 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: GinaLolaB

Move to Richmond, VA. I have heard that there is huge demand for your skills in that area.


50 posted on 12/29/2007 5:08:14 PM PST by rwt60
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