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September 26th, 1983: The day the world almost died
Daily Mail ^ | 29th December 2007 | Tony Rennel

Posted on 12/30/2007 3:59:57 AM PST by vertolet

Stanislav Petrov, a lieutenant-colonel in the military intelligence section of the Soviet Union's secret service, reluctantly eased himself into the commander's seat in the underground early warning bunker south of Moscow.

It should have been his night off but another officer had gone sick and he had been summoned at the last minute.

Before him were screens showing photographs of underground missile silos in the Midwest prairies of America, relayed from spy satellites in the sky.

He and his men watched and listened on headphones for any sign of movement - anything unusual that might suggest the U.S. was launching a nuclear attack.

This was the height of the Cold War between the USSR and the U.S. Both sides packed a formidable punch - hundreds of rockets and thousands of nuclear warheads capable of reducing the other to rubble.

It was a game of nerves, of bluff and counterbluff. Who would fire first? Would the other have the chance to retaliate?

The flying time of an inter-continental ballistic missile, from the U.S. to the USSR, and vice-versa, was around 12 minutes. If the Cold War were ever to go 'hot', seconds could make the difference between life and death.

Everything would hinge on snap decisions. For now, though, as far as Petrov was concerned, more hinged on just getting through another boring night in which nothing ever happened.

Except then, suddenly, it did. A warning light flashed up, screaming red letters on a white background - 'LAUNCH. LAUNCH'. Deafening sirens wailed. The computer was telling him that the U.S. had just gone to war.

The blood drained from his face. He broke out in a cold sweat. But he kept his nerve. The computer had detected missiles being fired but the hazy screens were showing nothing untoward at all, no tell-tale flash of an missile roaring out of its silo into the sky. Could this be a computer glitch rather than Armageddon?

Instead of calling an alert that within minutes would have had Soviet missiles launched in a retaliatory strike, Petrov decided to wait.

The warning light flashed again - a second missile was, apparently, in the air. And then a third. Now the computer had stepped up the warning: 'Missile attack imminent!'

But this did not make sense. The computer had supposedly detected three, no, now it was four, and then five rockets, but the numbers were still peculiarly small. It was a basic tenet of Cold War strategy that, if one side ever did make a preemptive strike, it would do so with a mass launch, an overwhelming force, not this dribble.

Petrov stuck to his common-sense reasoning. This had to be a mistake.

What if it wasn't? What if the holocaust the world had feared ever since the first nuclear bombs dropped on Japan in 1945, was actually happening before his very eyes - and he was doing nothing about it?

He would soon know. For the next ten minutes, Petrov sweated, counting down the missile time to Moscow. But there was no bright flash, no explosion 150 times greater than Hiroshima. Instead, the sirens stopped blaring and the warning lights went off.

The alert on September 26th, 1983 had been a false one. Later, it was discovered that what the satellite's sensors had picked up and interpreted as missiles in flight was nothing more than high-altitude clouds.

Petrov's cool head had saved the world.

He got little thanks. He was relieved of his duties, sidelined, then quietly pensioned off. His experience that night was an extreme embarrassment to the Soviet Union.

Petrov may have prevented allout nuclear war but at the cost of exposing the inadequacies of Moscow's much vaunted earlywarning shield.

Instead of feeling relieved, his masters in the Kremlin were more afraid than ever. They sank into a state of paranoia, fearful that in Washington, Ronald Reagan was planning a first-strike that would wipe them off the face of the earth.

The year was 1983 and - as a history documentary in a primetime slot on Channel 4 next weekend vividly shows - the next six weeks would be the most dangerous the world has ever experienced.

That the U. S. and the Soviet Union had been on the brink of world war in 1962, when John Kennedy and Nikita Krushchev went head-to-head over missiles in Cuba, is well known. Those events were played out in public. The 1983 crisis went on behind closed doors, in a world of spies and secrets.

A quarter of a century later, the gnarled old veterans of the KGB, the Soviet Union's secret service, and their smoother counterparts from the CIA, the U.S. equivalent, have come out from the shadows to reveal the full story of what happened. And a chilling one it is. From their different perspectives, they knew the seriousness of the situation.

'We were ready for the Third World War,' said Captain Viktor Tkachenko, who commanded a Soviet missile base at the time. 'If the U.S. started it.'

Robert Gates - then the CIA's deputy director of intelligence, later its head and now defence secretary in George Bush's government - recalled: 'We may have been on the brink of war and not known it.'

That year, 1983, the rest of the world was getting on with its business, unaware of the disaster it could be facing.

Margaret Thatcher won a second term as Prime Minister but her heir-apparent, Cecil Parkinson, had to resign after admitting fathering his secretary's love child. Two young firebrand socialists, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, were elected MPs for the first time.

Police were counting the dead bodies in serial killer Dennis Nilsen's North London flat, the Brinks-Mat bandits got away with £25million in gold bullion and 'Hitler's diary' was unearthed before being exposed as a forgery.

England's footballers failed to qualify for the European finals.

The song everyone was humming was Sting's Every Breath You Take - 'Every breath you take, every move you make, I'll be watching you.' It was unwittingly appropriate as that was precisely what, on the international stage, the Russians and Americans were doing.

On both sides there were new, more powerful and more efficient machines to deliver destruction. The Soviets had rolled out their SS-20s, missiles on mobile launch pads, easy to hide and almost impossible to detect.

Meanwhile, the Americans were moving Pershing II ballistic missiles into Western Europe, as a direct counter to a possible invasion by the armies of the Warsaw Pact (as the Soviet Union and its satellites behind the Iron Curtain were known).

They were also deploying ground-hugging cruise missiles, designed to get under radar defences without being detected.

Then Reagan, successor at the White House to Jimmy Carter, upped the ante in a provocative speech in which he denounced the Soviet Union as 'the Evil Empire'.

His belligerence rattled the new Soviet leader, Yuri Andropov, a hardline communist and former head of the KGB whose naturally suspicious nature was made worse by serious illness. For much of the ensuing crisis he was in a hospital bed hooked to a dialysis machine.

His belief that Reagan was up to something was reinforced when the President announced the start of his 'Star Wars' project - a system costing trillions of dollars to defend the U.S. from enemy ICBMs ( Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles) by shooting them down in space before they re-entered earth's atmosphere.

He saw this as an entirely defensive measure, but to the Russians it was aggressive in intent. They saw it as a threat to destroy their weapons one by one and leave the USSR defenceless.

Even more convinced of Washington's evil intentions, Andropov stepped up Operation RYAN, during which KGB agents around the world were instructed to send back any and every piece of information they could find that might add to the 'evidence' that the U.S. was planning a nuclear strike.

In the Soviet Union's London embassy, Oleg Gordievsky, a KGB officer masquerading as a diplomat, was ordered to watch out for signs of the British secretly stockpiling food, petrol and blood plasma.

In the KGB's Lubyanka headquarters, every small detail was chalked up on a board, filling it with words until the mountain of 'evidence' appeared overwhelming. But the problem was, as a U.S. observer noted, that the KGB, while strong on gathering information, was hopeless in analysing it.

In reality, what it was compiling was the dodgiest of all dossiers, in which the 'circle of intelligence' remained a dangerously closed one. Not for the last time in matters of war, the foolhardiness of fitting facts to a preconceived agenda were exposed.

East-West tension increased when an unauthorised aircraft flew into Soviet air space in the Bering Sea, ignoring all radio communications. Su-14 intercept fighters were scrambled to shoot it down in the belief that it was a U.S. spy plane.

It turned out to be a civilian flight of Korean Airlines, KA-007, that had strayed off course en route from Alaska to Seoul.

All 269 passengers and crew died. Reagan denounced the 'evil Empire' again, and Moscow detected once again the drumbeats of war.

AND THEN came the event that nearly triggered catastrophe. On November 2, 1983, Nato - the U.S.-led alliance of western forces - began a routine ten-day exercise codenamed Operation Able Archer to test its military communications in the event of war.

The 'narrative' of the exercise was a Soviet invasion with conventional weapons, which the West would be unable to stop.

Its climax would be a simulated release of nuclear missiles. Command posts and nuclear bases were on full alert, but, as the Soviets were repeatedly told, no actual weapons were involved.

The words 'EXERCISE ONLY' screamed out from every message. But the Soviet leadership, with its eye on Reagan's supposed recklessness, chose not to believe them. Andropov, in his sick bed, and his Kremlin advisers were gripped not just by current paranoias but by past ones.

They were the World War II generation, forever conscious of how Hitler had fooled Stalin and launched his savage Operation Barbarossa against the Soviet Union in 1940 under the pretext of an exercise.

In the war that followed, 25million Soviet citizens died and the Motherland came close to caving in. To allow history to repeat itself would be unforgivable.

Now, the Kremlin watched and listened in horror as the West went though this drill. Top priority 'flash telegrams' went to Gordievsky and others in KGB stations around the world demanding 'evidence' that this exercise was a disguise for a real nuclear first-strike.

In Washington, the effect that Able Archer was having on the Soviet leadership was completely missed. In fact, rather than winding up for a war, Reagan was doing the opposite.

At Camp David, the presidential retreat in Maryland, he had recently had a private screening of a made-fortelevision film called The Day After, which was a fictional reconstruction of the aftermath of nuclear war.

The former Hollywood cowboy was more affected by this than by any military briefings he might have had. The film predicted 150 million dead. In his diary he wrote: 'It left me greatly depressed. We have to do all we can to see there is never a nuclear war.'

The old war horse was changing course and soon he would begin to make overtures to Moscow that would lead to his first visit there, a building up of relationships and an easing of East-West tensions.

He very nearly did not get the chance. As Able Archer wound up to its climax, so too did the Kremlin's paranoia. In the Nato exercise, Western forces were on the brink of firing a theoretical salvo of 350 nuclear missiles.

In the Soviet Union, the military went on to their equivalent of the U.S. defence forces' DefCon 1, the final warning of an imminent attack and the last stage before pressing the button for an all to real massive retaliation.

On airfields, Soviet nuclear bomber pilots sat in their cockpits, engines turning, waiting for orders to fly. Three hundred ICBMs were prepared for firing and 75 mobile SS-20s hurriedly moved to hidden locations.

Surface ships of the Soviet navy dashed for cover, anchoring beneath cliffs in the Baltic, while its submarines with their arsenals of nuclear missiles slipped beneath the Arctic ice and cleared decks for action.

WHAT saved the situation were two spies, one on each side. Gordievsky, the KGB man in London, was really a double agent working for British Intelligence. He warned MI5 and the CIA that Able Archer had put Soviet leaders in a dangerous frame of mind.

It was the first inkling the West had had that the exercise was being viewed with such panic, and the Americans responded instantly by down-grading it. Reagan then made a very visible journey out of the country as a signal to the Soviets that he was otherwise engaged.

Meanwhile, an East German spy, Topaz - real name Rainer Rupp - had infiltrated the Nato hierarchy at a high level and was privy to many of its secrets, was asked by Moscow urgently to confirm that the West was about to go to war.

Deeply embedded Topaz would know for sure, and all he had to do was dial a certain number on his telephone to confirm his master's fears. His finger stayed off the buttons. His message back was that Nato was planning no such thing.

Moscow took a step back from the brink its own fevered imagination had created. At the same time, Able Archer reached its end, the simulation over, the personnel involved stood down. The date was November 11 - Armistice Day.

Only later did the West grasp how close the world had come to apocalypse. Reagan and his advisers were shocked, and more impetus was put behind finding ways to end the arms race with the Soviet Union.

The near-miss of 1983 has long been known by historians of the Cold War. But this documentary will bring it to a wider audience.

Today, the West's relations with post-communist Russia and its aggressive leader, Vladimir Putin, are strained. Bombers and spy planes nudge rival air space, testing nerves, just as they did in the early 1980s. The situation is ripe for misunderstandings.

Those events, 24 years ago, are also a reminder that, for all the concerns about global warning, mankind's greatest danger may still be its vast nuclear arsenals.

It has largely gone unnoticed that this year, with increasing fears of proliferation, the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists moved its Doomsday Clock up to five minutes to midnight, closer to nuclear catastrophe than at almost any time since the phoney war of 1983.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: andropov; coldwar; edgeofdestruction; espionage; reagan; russia; thankyoujesus; usa; ussr; wwiii
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1 posted on 12/30/2007 4:00:00 AM PST by vertolet
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To: vertolet

great article.


2 posted on 12/30/2007 4:14:23 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: vertolet

Now we have an equally paranoid Putin in charge, so it’s not over.


3 posted on 12/30/2007 4:23:28 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: neverdem

ping


4 posted on 12/30/2007 4:30:40 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: vertolet

The Discovery Channel or maybe Documentary had a two hour show on this last week. Probably do a rerun again.


5 posted on 12/30/2007 4:32:15 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Ron Paul - building a bridge to the 19th century.)
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To: vertolet
"What if the holocaust the world had feared ever since the first nuclear bombs dropped on Japan in 1945, was actually happening ..."

Nuclear weapons are evil because the US had 'em first.
If the Communists had 'em first and the West did not, well the only rational path would have been to surrender in the face of superior weaponry.
Since both sides has had them, the world has had to live in fear of the reckless West and their doomsday devices.

6 posted on 12/30/2007 4:35:54 AM PST by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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To: vertolet

“But the Soviet leadership, with its eye on Reagan’s supposed recklessness, chose not to believe them.”

This is where our Leftist media enters the equation. They painted Reagan as “reckless” and could have caused a nuclear conflagration, as a result. The msm’s hatred of Republican presidents and their unflagging attempts to ruin their time in office does have consequences in this dangerous world.


7 posted on 12/30/2007 4:36:01 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: vertolet

Thanks for a fascinating read.


8 posted on 12/30/2007 4:38:54 AM PST by xJones
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To: vertolet

Whew !


9 posted on 12/30/2007 4:48:14 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: vertolet

Many don’t know how close we were to going to war with USSR in October, 1973, at the height of the Yom Kippur War. USSR was rattling sabers and acting as if it were about to jump into the fray to support Syria. Nixon, for all his domestic faults, was a great leader in foreign affairs. He warned USSR leader Brezhnev that if USSR got involved on the side of Syria, it would be fighting US forces, because US would go in to support Israel. US forces went on alert. Bombers were being prepped, and many took to the air in case the “Go” order were given.

USSR had miscalculated US resolve, thinking that since the Vietnam War had just months earlier wound down as far as US involvement (the cease-fire of January, 1973), and convinced the American people were so tired of war that they would never condone a new US military action, especially one in which the foe would be the ultimate enemy (USSR), it felt relatively safe from any US counter to its adventure in the Middle East. Nixon brought USSR back to reality, and neither side became overtly involved in the Yom Kippur War.

I remember that bit of excitement. I was in the USAF at the time.


10 posted on 12/30/2007 4:48:35 AM PST by ought-six
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To: vertolet
I still believe that the closest that we may have come was that rogue Russian submarine off Hawaii.

There is good evidence that it sunk after the attempted unauthorized launch of a nuclear missile at Hawaii.

And, as we now know, the CIA went and raised it.
Or pieces of it.

The above idea is put forth without any background in modern logistics or strategy, so I am skeptical of it.

The nuclear forces do not launch in a vacuum.
There would be massive worldwide redeployment of logistical supports and active military assets, not to mention to complete mobilization of the reserves and co ordination with civil defense.

The war gaming in Europe is a small theater piece in the whole puzzle

11 posted on 12/30/2007 4:48:45 AM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: kittymyrib
“But the Soviet leadership, with its eye on Reagan’s supposed recklessness, chose not to believe them.” This is where our Leftist media enters the equation. They painted Reagan as “reckless” and could have caused a nuclear conflagration, as a result. The msm’s hatred of Republican presidents and their unflagging attempts to ruin their time in office does have consequences in this dangerous world.

Exactly.

In those days - CBS, NBC, and ABC almost completely dominated the televised media.

There was no "new media", no large talk radio audiences or programs, and no Internet.

If you watched the network broadcasts - it was even worse than today.

The MSM had absolutely no brakes on their reckless words; and no checks or balances to their complete bias and hatred of President Reagan.


12 posted on 12/30/2007 4:50:55 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: kittymyrib
This is where our Leftist media enters the equation. They painted Reagan as “reckless” and could have caused a nuclear conflagration, as a result. The msm’s hatred of Republican presidents and their unflagging attempts to ruin their time in office does have consequences in this dangerous world.

It works both ways. In those times it was advantageous for the Russians to believe we were as crazy as they were. Candlelight Kumbaya vigils for Peace would have only earned their contempt.

Also, having a "Cowboy" elected got the Iranian hostages home, and quickly.

One cannot reason with someone who seriously wants to kill them. That is why negotitations with Iran and Mideast Peace Talks are such a futile self-defeating joke. Our adversaries have only contempt for cheap talk, and properly see it as weakness.

13 posted on 12/30/2007 4:51:39 AM PST by Gorzaloon
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To: vertolet

Geez. Time for me to change shorts ...

I’ll have a hard time going back to bed (I was planning on sleeping in - thanks a lot) ;(


14 posted on 12/30/2007 4:58:26 AM PST by Edward Watson (Fanatics with guns beat liberals with ideas)
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To: Gorzaloon

Another factor in the Cold War in our favor, Americans play poker, Russians play chess. War more closely approximates poker because one can never KNOW with certainty all the variables. No matter how much info the Reds gathered, there was always some uncertainty, so they would never call a bluff.


15 posted on 12/30/2007 5:00:56 AM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: vertolet

bttt good read


16 posted on 12/30/2007 5:12:52 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: kittymyrib
the Soviet leadership, with its eye on Reagan's supposed recklessness . . . gripped not just by current paranoias but by past ones.

Moscow took a step back from the brink its own fevered imagination had created.

I read the entire article with an eye on current affairs. Substitute DailyKos or Democratic Underground for Moscow and the Soviet Union, and you have the same mentality and ideology. I've included some quotes above for illustration.

Never forget that the American Left represents as great a threat to our freedom as any force in history.

17 posted on 12/30/2007 5:13:05 AM PST by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: bill1952

“I still believe that the closest that we may have come was that rogue Russian submarine off Hawaii.”

What year did this occur?


18 posted on 12/30/2007 5:13:15 AM PST by Lynne
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To: vertolet
launched his savage Operation Barbarossa against the Soviet Union in 1940 under the pretext of an exercise.

It was June 22, 1941, not 1940. Also, neither the USSR nor the USA had any capability to sit and watch for silo doors to open in real time via satellite recon imagery, as the article suggests. At best there were snapshots from birds moving 18,000 miles per hour which had to be downlinked and processed. That was all strategic information, not tactical.

19 posted on 12/30/2007 5:14:27 AM PST by 19th LA Inf
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To: Lynne

“I still believe that the closest that we may have come was that rogue Russian submarine off Hawaii.”

***What year did this occur?***

Some time back in the late 1960’s a nuclear sub sank.Only a US satalite recorded it. Howard Hughs built a special ship (Glomar Challenger)to recover it. According to reports, the part of the sub with missles broke off and sank back into the sea.

This is some of the top secret info that was spilled by the Dems when it was revealed to them in the Watergate hearings.


20 posted on 12/30/2007 5:20:53 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Only infidel blood can quench Muslim thirst-- Abdul-Jalil Nazeer al-Karouri)
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To: vertolet
All extremely plausible....

Thanks for a good read this morning!

21 posted on 12/30/2007 5:22:58 AM PST by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: vertolet; Jackknife
GREAT read.

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.....

22 posted on 12/30/2007 5:23:24 AM PST by The Drowning Witch (Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:)
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To: vertolet
That the U. S. and the Soviet Union had been on the brink of world war in 1962, when John Kennedy and Nikita Krushchev went head-to-head over missiles in Cuba, is well known.

My understanding is that the CIA knew how few functional missiles/nukes the Soviets really had, and that Kennedy knew the Sovets were bluffing, so the dramatic standoff was not as real as it is made out to be. Like threatening an all out fight to the death, knowing your opponent has two broken arms, and knowing that they know you know. To onlookers, it looks like something exciting might happen, but not really.

23 posted on 12/30/2007 5:28:38 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: vertolet
Then Reagan, successor at the White House to Jimmy Carter, upped the ante in a provocative speech in which he denounced the Soviet Union as 'the Evil Empire'.
It's hard to estimate what a genius move this was on the part of Reagan, this labeling of the Soviet Union as the Evil Empire.

First of all, it was absolutely true. They were an empire, and they were evil.

But more important than that, with the fantastic success of the Star Wars movies (two to-date by that time, or was it three?) the concept "Evil Empire" was out there in the American mind in a big way and it was only a matter of time before the leftists snatched it up and applied it to America.

Reagan beat them to the punch and used the phrase properly before the leftists could mis-apply it to us.

Reagan was a genius. On many levels.

24 posted on 12/30/2007 5:30:21 AM PST by samtheman (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: vertolet

Good read, even if it bent on blaming the US if we had gone to war.


25 posted on 12/30/2007 5:42:31 AM PST by EBH (Loose lips sink ships.)
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To: ought-six

How right on target you are! I was serving at the Comm Center in Tehran then. The teletypes were going nuts and everyone was called in on alert and prepared for issuance of weapons which we were not supposed to have available to us.


26 posted on 12/30/2007 5:51:34 AM PST by mazda77
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To: vertolet
Bulletin of Atomic Scientists moved its Doomsday Clock

Is that a Timex or Casio?

27 posted on 12/30/2007 5:53:59 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Visions of sugarplums dancing in your head are probably caused by bad drugs.....)
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To: vertolet

“successor at the White House to Jimmy Carter, upped the ante in a provocative speech in which he denounced the Soviet Union as ‘the Evil Empire’.”

The day his nads dropped.


28 posted on 12/30/2007 5:54:49 AM PST by GoforBroke
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To: vertolet

PING for later reading.


29 posted on 12/30/2007 5:57:03 AM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: vertolet

“how about a nice game of chess?”


30 posted on 12/30/2007 5:58:54 AM PST by kjam22 (see me play the guitar here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noHy7Cuoucc)
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To: kittymyrib
unflagging attempts to ruin their time in office

I for one am sick and tired of the MSM. They're like a whiny brat that never gets punished.
31 posted on 12/30/2007 6:00:01 AM PST by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: AmericaUnited

isn’t the historical record established that JFK backed down and pulled strategic assets out of Turkey? I think they were supposed to be somewhat obsolescent missiles, but the Soviets were glad to be rid of them.


32 posted on 12/30/2007 6:02:56 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: vertolet

Thanks. Great read. Just imagine what the world will be like if “My Mood, I’m in a jihad” ever gets his hands on nukes.


33 posted on 12/30/2007 6:06:13 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (I've been too busy for FR this weekend, because I did the things I refuse to let the invaders do.)
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To: vertolet

Thank you. Great read.


34 posted on 12/30/2007 6:06:13 AM PST by ditto h
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To: vertolet

Thanks for posting the article and God only knows how many close calls existed during the Cold War.


35 posted on 12/30/2007 7:06:31 AM PST by xc1427 (It's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees...Midnight Oil (Power and the Passion))
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JFK could afford to dismantle the Jupiter missiles armed with the W49 1.45 MT warhead because by 1962, the US Navy's George Washington class submarines were in wide service, and unlike the Jupiter missiles (which required a complicated launch sequence due to the use of liquid oxygen as oxidizer fuel), the Polaris missiles were out at sea and could be fired with only a few minutes' notice.
36 posted on 12/30/2007 7:06:36 AM PST by RayChuang88
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To: vertolet

O M G


37 posted on 12/30/2007 7:10:21 AM PST by Adder (hialb)
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To: vertolet

-bflr-


38 posted on 12/30/2007 7:10:52 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: AmericaUnited
My understanding is that the CIA knew how few functional missiles/nukes the Soviets really had, and that Kennedy knew the Sovets were bluffing, so the dramatic standoff was not as real as it is made out to be.

Except that SOME of the missiles became operational during the crisis AND the Soviet general on the ground had orders to use his tactical nukes ( about which we did not know) in the event of an invasion, AND nut job Fidel was urging the Soviets to launch. It really was a close call.
39 posted on 12/30/2007 7:16:10 AM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Some time back in the late 1960’s a nuclear sub sank.Only a US satalite recorded it. Howard Hughs built a special ship (Glomar Challenger)to recover it. According to reports, the part of the sub with missles broke off and sank back into the sea.

This is some of the top secret info that was spilled by the Dems when it was revealed to them in the Watergate hearings.


Apologies if I am incorrect, but wasn't Howard Hughes ship the Glomar Explorer ? And wasn't the Soviet vessel K-129 recovery project called Project Jennifer and didn't it happen around the mid-1970's ?

Again, apologies if I am mistaken.
40 posted on 12/30/2007 7:16:59 AM PST by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: BartMan1; Nailbiter

ping


41 posted on 12/30/2007 7:18:29 AM PST by IncPen (The Liberal's Reward is Self Disgust)
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To: vertolet

Actually, the 1973 Yom Kippur war is the closest we’ve ever come to nuclear war.

As the Soviets prepared to back Egypt, the U.S. was standing strong behind Israel, and both sides were actively preparing for a nuclear exchange.


42 posted on 12/30/2007 7:19:24 AM PST by G Larry (HILLARY CARE = DYING IN LINE!)
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To: RayChuang88

thanks; am I incorrect in remembering that Krushchev considered it a coup to get the US missiles out of Turkey, however?


43 posted on 12/30/2007 7:24:04 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: pyx

***Apologies if I am incorrect, but wasn’t Howard Hughes ship the Glomar Explorer ? And wasn’t the Soviet vessel K-129 recovery project called Project Jennifer and didn’t it happen around the mid-1970’s ?***

http://www.answers.com/topic/project-jennifer

It may have been. A quick Google of Project Jenifer shows it was the Glomar Explorer but the sub sank in 1968. Recovery was in 1974.
I remember that Huges got hit with IRS fees when the Glomar Explorer was found to be a salvage ship and not a tax free research ship.


44 posted on 12/30/2007 7:24:40 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Only infidel blood can quench Muslim thirst-- Abdul-Jalil Nazeer al-Karouri)
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To: TR Jeffersonian

ping


45 posted on 12/30/2007 7:25:09 AM PST by kalee
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To: Kozak
Another factor in the Cold War in our favor, Americans play poker, Russians play chess. War more closely approximates poker because one can never KNOW with certainty all the variables.

That's profound. The study of the War Game was supposed to make them better at it.

Leningrad was not Chess. Well, maybe it was. The Germans tried a pawn march into what turned out to be a trap. A beginner knows better.

46 posted on 12/30/2007 7:26:40 AM PST by Gorzaloon
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To: pyx

You iz rite!

http://www.fas.org/irp/program/collect/jennifer.htm


47 posted on 12/30/2007 7:28:56 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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To: kjam22

I love chess but am easily beaten. Saw the video links. I like the gospel bluegrass band. Who is the Violin player? Very pretty.


48 posted on 12/30/2007 7:31:20 AM PST by Blue Highway (The only cure for RINOvirus - Fred Thompson)
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To: vertolet
The former Hollywood cowboy was more affected by this than by any military briefings he might have had.

A review of Reagan's filmography at IMDB shows that much more often than not, Reagan was not a Hollywood cowboy.
49 posted on 12/30/2007 7:31:24 AM PST by aruanan
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
How to avoid paying past due taxes to the IRS.


50 posted on 12/30/2007 7:33:39 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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