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Historic low in NYC, Chicago homicides
Yahoo News ^ | 12/29/2007

Posted on 12/30/2007 5:39:49 AM PST by pleikumud

NEW YORK - Chicago and New York are about to close out 2007 with the lowest number of homicides in more than 40 years, while cities such as Baltimore, Atlanta and Miami have seen killings go up because of what police say is a surge in guns and gang violence.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: murder; rate
This is somewhat encouraging, but still the murder rate in major U.S. cities is horrific. The article doesn't even mention New Orleans, which of course is more dangerous than Baghdad. It also doesn't talk about the fact that 50% of all violent crimes are committed by blacks, mostly in the big welfare cities where parents are dismal failures. A majority of young blacks grow up in households where the father is absent. He produced children and ran. Why does the media not report the murder rate by race? We all know who is doing the shooting.
1 posted on 12/30/2007 5:39:51 AM PST by pleikumud
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To: pleikumud

Bushes Fault???


2 posted on 12/30/2007 5:42:12 AM PST by conservativehusker (GO BIG RED!!!!)
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To: conservativehusker

Yes, in a way it is Bushes fault. I live in Atlanta and we have been inundated with illegals and with them they have brought their gangs. I live in a suburban county just outside of the city, I would venture to say anytime there is a murder around here 90% of the time the victims name has a certain ethnic sound to it and I can promise you it ain’t Irish.


3 posted on 12/30/2007 5:47:58 AM PST by panthermom (DUNCAN HUNTER 2008)
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To: pleikumud

Odd that it doesn’t mention LA right off the bat; Los Angeles is on pace for its lowest number of murders in four decades.


4 posted on 12/30/2007 5:49:02 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: pleikumud; Toddsterpatriot

I might be wrong, but I could’ve sworn that the local press was reporting a murder “epidemic” in Chicago earlier this year.


5 posted on 12/30/2007 5:49:06 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: panthermom

So why is LA’s murder rate dropping, then?


6 posted on 12/30/2007 5:49:32 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: pleikumud

They’re immigrating to Philadelphia.


7 posted on 12/30/2007 5:50:31 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: cinives

Beat me to it.


8 posted on 12/30/2007 5:51:28 AM PST by flynmudd (Proud Navy Mom)
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To: pleikumud

*** It also doesn’t talk about the fact that 50% of all violent crimes are committed by blacks, mostly in the big welfare cities where parents are dismal failures.***

George Wallace said something similar in 1968. It cost him votes when the news media jumped on it.


9 posted on 12/30/2007 5:51:47 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Only infidel blood can quench Muslim thirst-- Abdul-Jalil Nazeer al-Karouri)
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To: pleikumud

Wow. Can we expect Mayor Bloomberg to run for president? He can claim he cleaned up New York City.


10 posted on 12/30/2007 5:53:03 AM PST by csvset
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To: Strategerist
The population is expanding faster than the murder rate. Statistics lie.
11 posted on 12/30/2007 5:53:25 AM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: pleikumud

“Why does the media not report the murder rate by race? We all know who is doing the shooting.”

Wouldn’t that make the shooters demoncratics?


12 posted on 12/30/2007 5:55:59 AM PST by School of Rational Thought (Truthism Watch)
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To: conservativehusker
"Bushes Fault???"

No, what I see here is a dire need for marksmanship training among the New York and Chicago gangbangers.

13 posted on 12/30/2007 5:58:49 AM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: Strategerist

I think it is great that LA’s murder rate is dropping however I live in Georgia. When I moved to this particular area 14 years ago it was like Mayberry, now my neighborhood is tagged with the Latin Kings. Most of the murders stay within their own communities, maybe because most of us keep guns. That still does not change the fact that once the demographics started changing so did the crime rate.


14 posted on 12/30/2007 6:00:38 AM PST by panthermom (DUNCAN HUNTER 2008)
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To: bill1952

In 1939 there were 40 murders in New York.

Since the 1960s, society, of course, has become ‘liberated’ from its outdated mores and beliefs, and so of course
is much improved from the days when :

the bible was read daily in schools, and prayers were recited (teaching the general concept that there was a God
and that character mattered more than learning)

sex was part of a sacred and wonderful relationship between two people madly in love with one another enough to want to stay together for the rest of their lives, and sign a paper that they were willing to do so;

priests were portrayed in movies by Bing Crosby;

criminal conduct was considered criminal;

etc.


15 posted on 12/30/2007 6:01:10 AM PST by CondorFlight (I)
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To: pleikumud
Earlier this year, Baltimore was headed for its bloodiest year in nearly a decade. But the bloodletting eased up after a new police commissioner took office. The bloodshed in Baltimore is blamed on entrenched poverty, widespread drug addiction, failing schools and easy access to guns.

Entrenched poverty. Another name for the Welfare state.

However, the commissioner must be out on the streets 24 hours a day stopping crime.

16 posted on 12/30/2007 6:01:30 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: bill1952
The population is expanding faster than the murder rate. Statistics lie.

The raw total of murders, not the rate, is the lowest in Los Angeles for four decades.

Amazing how people get befuddled by good news that is hard to grind axes with.

By Richard Winton and Hector Becerra, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers December 24, 2007 Los Angeles is on track to end the year with fewer than 400 homicides for the first time in nearly four decades -- a hopeful milestone for a city so long associated with gangs, drive-by shootings and sometimes random violence.
With 386 killings recorded as of this morning, the city has experienced one-third the number of homicides it did in 1992. The last year with a comparably low figure was 1970, when Los Angeles had a million fewer residents, guns were far less prevalent and street gangs were a much smaller part of life in urban neighborhoods.

17 posted on 12/30/2007 6:02:13 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: pleikumud
I guess Detroit is not a big city any more. The local media refuses to publish an figures for Detroit as they consider releasing such information racist.
18 posted on 12/30/2007 6:02:50 AM PST by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: csvset

No, that’s Rudy’s claim to make. Bloomberg has just coasted on a little additional momentum.


19 posted on 12/30/2007 6:04:46 AM PST by dangus
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To: CondorFlight
sex was part of a sacred and wonderful relationship between two people madly in love with one another enough to want to stay together for the rest of their lives, and sign a paper that they were willing to do so;

Hopefully the post was sarcastic, or this is yet more hilarious historical naivete on FR.

20 posted on 12/30/2007 6:05:12 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: pleikumud
FBI Gets Involved In Miami Crime Statistics Probe

Trust but verify :)

21 posted on 12/30/2007 6:10:04 AM PST by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: Mark was here; pleikumud

The Baltimore Sun has one good feature, an interactive map that shows homicides by age, or race, or sex, or location, or time interval. Perhaps that is their way of portraying the racial disparity. If the total American homicide information could be separated by race, I am sure that we would not be considered a high murder rate country. City for city, the homicide rate by whites would be no different than cities in Canada or the UK or Denmark, etc.

http://essentials.baltimoresun.com/micro_sun/homicides/

{Choose a time interval first, then any other buttons for a variety of stats}


22 posted on 12/30/2007 6:12:13 AM PST by maica (Leftists have faith in government; conservatives believe in people as individuals. Romney '08)
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To: maica

Very interesting, thanks for posting it.


23 posted on 12/30/2007 6:19:50 AM PST by csvset
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To: CondorFlight
In 1939 there were 40 murders in New York.

I remember growing up in NYC in the 50's and 60's. The murder rate skyrocketed in the late 60's, in part, perhaps, because of abolition of the death penalty.

People will think I'm crazy, but in the early 60's there was only a token police presence on the subways (I never saw one) and crime on the subways was all but unheard of. The year Bernie Getz defended himself there was something like 10,000 felonies on the subways, some stations had become gang territory and there was a cop on every train and every station.

24 posted on 12/30/2007 6:24:30 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Being an idealist excuses nothing. Hitler was an idealist.)
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To: maica

That map was horrifying to me. I really don’t know what to say about it other than how can people live like that? It’s not the guns, it’s the people themselves. It’s hard for me to grasp that people can believe that life is so cheap.


25 posted on 12/30/2007 6:29:53 AM PST by panthermom (DUNCAN HUNTER 2008)
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To: pleikumud
cities such as Baltimore, Atlanta and Miami have seen killings go up because of what police say is a surge in guns and gang violence.

In other words, illegals, and MS-13. But they won't say that.

26 posted on 12/30/2007 6:38:47 AM PST by montag813
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To: pleikumud

I think they cherry picked the murder the stats. Look at the murder rates in Philly, Baltimore and Detroit not to mention dozens of smaller cities like Camden, NJ or Chester PA.


27 posted on 12/30/2007 7:00:19 AM PST by Kid Shelleen (Aztlan My Azz: La Raza is Spanish for Tan Klan)
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To: pleikumud

—my cydical guess is that the drug trade is effectively a monopoly, so no need for inter-gang wars-—homicide has reverted to the drunk partner fight, etc.,—


28 posted on 12/30/2007 7:01:12 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: maica

WOW that is even more lobsided than I would have expected.


29 posted on 12/30/2007 7:13:18 AM PST by rb22982
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To: pleikumud
Of course the media talks about the "surge in guns" as if guns had just been invented or had never been mass-produced before.

I have experienced a "surge in guns" in my own household. I have more guns now than I had ten or five years ago. More ominously, I have also experienced "gun proliferation" as a few of these weapons have migrated to my second home. I am also pretty sure that many of my guns have crossed a state line at some time or other, and somehow crossing state lines makes guns more violent, or so I have heard.

According to people like mayor Bloomberg, I should by now be awash in "gun violence," what with all these guns surging and proliferating. But my guns don't "surge" at all -- they just stupidly sit there and don't move unless I pick one up. And they don't proliferate on their own -- at least mine don't. I had hoped that my guns would increase on their own, as the media says they magically do. But no, I have to go out and buy the darn things when I want their numbers to proliferate. And I have not witnessed an increase in violence -- be it "gun violence" or "butter knife violence," even though I shoot my guns on occasion. I am beginning to think that my guns must be defective.

30 posted on 12/30/2007 7:19:34 AM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: pleikumud
It also doesn't talk about the fact that 50% of all violent crimes are committed by blacks,

Not only that, but those crimes are committed by black on other blacks

31 posted on 12/30/2007 7:20:54 AM PST by Popman ("We are going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton)
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To: pleikumud
FWIW: undercounting murders in Houston.
32 posted on 12/30/2007 7:27:29 AM PST by Lord Basil
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To: CondorFlight

If newspaper headline and news stories are any indication, shootings in New York City have actually been UP in the last few years. I suspect that advances in medical care in recent years and improvements in EMS response times have resulted in more of these people surviving the attacks and therefore fewer murders to report.


33 posted on 12/30/2007 7:33:24 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: CondorFlight

You forgot to mention lollipops grew on trees and gumdrops were good for you.


34 posted on 12/30/2007 7:36:27 AM PST by Huck (Soylent Green is People.)
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To: Strategerist

Actually, having less than 400 murders isn’t a bad statistic at all for L.A, given the past number of murders there.

Its a shame that we speak in such figures on a city by city basis.

Thanks for the clarification - Bill


35 posted on 12/30/2007 7:37:56 AM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: CondorFlight

Bingo. I’m going to save that post to disk. Thanks. - bill


36 posted on 12/30/2007 7:39:15 AM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: conservativehusker
Historic low in NYC, Chicago homicides - Gotta be Global Warming Climate Change!
37 posted on 12/30/2007 7:46:31 AM PST by ricks_place
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To: pleikumud

How does anyone really know if this is true. Isn’t Bloomberg suppose to setting up his run for the Presidency? And doesn’t Obama come from Chicago or around there?


38 posted on 12/30/2007 8:29:30 AM PST by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: CondorFlight

> In 1939 there were 40 murders in New York <

And according to Justice Scalia, high school boys commonly carried their .22 rifles on the subway!


39 posted on 12/30/2007 8:35:17 AM PST by Hawthorn
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To: Strategerist
Odd that it doesn’t mention LA right off the bat; Los Angeles is on pace for its lowest number of murders in four decades.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've heard that the LA real estate boom has edged people out of the poorer neighborhoods. This has exported some crime to the valley.
40 posted on 12/30/2007 8:37:51 AM PST by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: CondorFlight
In 1939 there were 40 murders in New York.

Source??

The "Historical Statistics of the US" (Wonderful 5-volume set of REAL data) gives new york city murders in 1939 as 295, with the lowest in the last 98 years as 1943, with 208. (What was missing in 1943?? -- lots of vigorous young men with guns -- killin germans and Japs!).

BTW, the peak was 1990 with 2,245. BBy 1993 had fallen only a bit, to 1,946, then fell by 2/3 in only 5 years, to 633.

41 posted on 12/30/2007 8:46:56 AM PST by BohDaThone
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To: Kid Shelleen

actually, the linked article has a chart that includes philly (down 16, or 4%) and baltimore (up 4, or 2%).

Those rates are MUCH higher than New york’s. Philly has 80% as many murders as NY with 1/4 or less of the population. Baltimore has more than half as many, with well under 1/10 the population.


42 posted on 12/30/2007 8:52:08 AM PST by BohDaThone
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To: Strategerist

FWIW, the LA Times says there were 820 homicides in LA county thru 12/16/07. The victims are shown by race, and they are overwhelmingly blacks and hispanics (shooting each other of course).
http://webapp1.latimes.com/homicide/homicideReport.php


43 posted on 12/30/2007 2:01:42 PM PST by pleikumud
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To: pleikumud

Detroit is now at 404.


44 posted on 12/30/2007 4:07:59 PM PST by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: pleikumud

Just like Bush. Now he’s leaving murderers unemployed.


45 posted on 12/30/2007 4:44:15 PM PST by westmichman ( God said: "They cry 'peace! peace!' but there is no peace. Jeremiah 6:14)
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To: pleikumud
The article doesn't even mention New Orleans, which of course is more dangerous than Baghdad.

Do you have any statistics to back up that claim or are you simply spewing B.S.?

46 posted on 12/30/2007 5:14:33 PM PST by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: Strategerist
LA may be but Oakland ain’t.
47 posted on 12/31/2007 11:10:10 AM PST by quadrant
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