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Vandals deface Vietnam war memorial (New Haven, CT : MS-13 reference)
WTNH.com New Haven ^ | December 30, 2007 | Carolee Salerno

Posted on 12/30/2007 8:19:28 AM PST by LurkedLongEnough

New Haven (WTNH) _ Veterans are outraged that a war memorial in New Haven has been vandalized.

The Vietnam War Memorial at Long Wharf was spray painted with the threatening words "Kill whites MS 13."

Seeing this just crushed the veterans we spoke to. The names on that wall that are covered in paint, are the names of those who fought and died for this country in the Vietnam War. Tonight, police are investigating whether this is the work of a violent street gang, but the veterans we spoke to, say whoever they are, aren't as tough as they might think.

"This irks me. This hurts me deep to my heart," Vietnam Veteran Emery Linton Sr. said.

Linton looked in disgust at the graffiti covering New Haven County's Vietnam War Memorial at Long Wharf.

Linton, who served in the Army, fought in Vietnam from 1969 to 1972. He lost friends there and he says the mess, on a memorial to honor veterans who made the ultimate sacrifice for their country, is a slap in the face.

"People here respect these names. They gave their lives for everything, for the freedoms they have," Linton said.

Whoever did it sprayed "MS-13" all over the place. According to law enforcement, MS 13 is a violent international gang with roots in El Salvador. Members are involved in drug trafficking, weapons trafficking and even human trafficking and their presence is growing in the U-S. Just this summer, police in the Boston area did a big round-up of MS 13 gang members.

That said, New Haven police say there hasn't been any documented MS-13 activity so far in the city. But they are investigating this incident.

"I don't know who would want to do this," said Lori Grenfell, another veteran who is heart broken over the vandalism. "They have the right to say what they want to say. They can thank these guys for that right."

While it's unclear if these are true gang markings, Linton has a message for those responsible. "If it is a gang related thing and if you guys really think you're bad, join the service, get in the action and see what it's really like," Linton said.

It's unclear how much money it will cost to get rid of this paint, but members of the New Haven County Vietnam Veterans Group vow they will have it cleaned up.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: aliens; elsalvador; gang; gangs; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; memorialdesecration; ms13; newhaven; salvador; sanctuarycity
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One of the intel predictions a few years ago was that Al-Qaeda would enlist MS13 and other gangs to do its dirty work. Must keep a close eye on developments here.

I wonder if the perps have New Haven resident ID cards?

1 posted on 12/30/2007 8:19:30 AM PST by LurkedLongEnough
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To: LurkedLongEnough
MS-13 is indeed bad news — but something about this story doesn’t smell right.
2 posted on 12/30/2007 8:20:39 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: LurkedLongEnough

OMG this is so disgusting. I hope the a**holes are caught and the closest Vietnam vets give them their punishment.


3 posted on 12/30/2007 8:21:27 AM PST by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: LurkedLongEnough

Damnable behavior!!!!


4 posted on 12/30/2007 8:21:52 AM PST by GOPologist (When you can't find a path through the wilderness, make a new path.)
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To: BenLurkin

Why would they write it in English?

Do they always take credit their work?

Is New Haven a Sanctuary City?


5 posted on 12/30/2007 8:24:20 AM PST by digger48
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To: LurkedLongEnough

I wonder if this will be considered a “hate crime”.


6 posted on 12/30/2007 8:24:42 AM PST by Free Dominoes
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To: LurkedLongEnough

sanctuary city wonders..any word from the mayor?


7 posted on 12/30/2007 8:26:01 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: LurkedLongEnough
Do we have a leader anywhere in the U.S. that would say: "Find them and deal with them with extreme prejudice".

I'll vote for him!

8 posted on 12/30/2007 8:26:02 AM PST by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out Of Qurans)
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To: digger48

Yup..New Haven issues ID cards for illegal immigrants. Make damn fine Dem voters.


9 posted on 12/30/2007 8:32:42 AM PST by y6162
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To: HardStarboard

C’mon. They’re just disaffected youth searching for their place in society. Give them a break. /sarcasm off


10 posted on 12/30/2007 8:33:19 AM PST by Master of Orion
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To: LurkedLongEnough

Aztec wannabes writing English, speaking Spanish.


11 posted on 12/30/2007 8:35:43 AM PST by onedoug
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To: LurkedLongEnough; tgslTakoma; Doctor Raoul; concretebob; Cindy

Ping


12 posted on 12/30/2007 8:36:24 AM PST by freema
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To: BenLurkin
I agree. MS-13 is like the Mafia: they don't believe in raising their profile unless it results in a direct monetary profit.

Also, MS-13 gangsters don't call white people "whites." This isn't the way they talk.

My guess is that the perp is a military-hater who wants to see angry vets on TV making ethnic comments - someone trying to provoke a race riot for his own amusement.

My guess is that the perp is a local lefty college student home for winter break.

13 posted on 12/30/2007 8:39:41 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the JuConstitution?)
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To: digger48
Is New Haven a Sanctuary City?

Amazingly enough, it is.
14 posted on 12/30/2007 8:40:04 AM PST by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: BenLurkin

I agree. I don’t believe that killing whites is a particularly MS-13 goal.

It’s a little phoney.


15 posted on 12/30/2007 8:42:48 AM PST by squarebarb
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To: BenLurkin

I agree. Awful stuff but it doesn’t look like the type of graffiti they use. Just looking on the internet at their other graffiti.


16 posted on 12/30/2007 8:42:58 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul. WWPD (what would Patton do))
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To: wideawake

Bingo...


17 posted on 12/30/2007 8:44:12 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: OCCASparky

...also buys Citgo discounted oil


18 posted on 12/30/2007 8:44:27 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: squarebarb
Then again, getting rid of illegal gang-bangers AND lib troll vandals--a two for one bonus!

Always look for the positive in every situation.
19 posted on 12/30/2007 8:45:26 AM PST by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: Doogle

Just one more reason I have no use for the worthless Demokratik People’s Republik of Konnetikutistan.


20 posted on 12/30/2007 8:46:12 AM PST by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: All; LurkedLongEnough

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NEVER FORGET

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CLARITY =

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Who Owns the Vietnam War?

http://www.ArmchairGeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58906

(See Poster Miss Saigon’s very insighful comments)

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NEVER FORGET

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21 posted on 12/30/2007 8:48:42 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: molette67; IamMOLE; NavyDude

I am pist ping


22 posted on 12/30/2007 8:49:29 AM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: LurkedLongEnough
Seeing this just crushed the veterans we spoke to.

With all respect due to the veterans, I doubt that that' true.

More likely, the veterans are 'crushed' because nothing will be done. What would lift the veterans spirits would be the freedom to track down whoever did this and extract justice from them.

You'd see 100,000 veterans converge on the site, the perps brought to justice (of the vets choosing) and this crap would never happpen again.

23 posted on 12/30/2007 8:50:13 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: BenLurkin

From what I’ve read on MS-13, this is not their doing. If it was I suspect that they would have blown it up and a half block in every direction. A can of spray paint is the last thing that MS-13 would use. MS-13 doesn’t make “statements” like this. They usually do serious damage to life and property. IMO.


24 posted on 12/30/2007 8:52:53 AM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (To Err Is Human. To Arr is Pirate. To Unnngh! is Freeper.)
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To: LurkedLongEnough
"'I don't know who would want to do this,' said Lori Grenfell, another veteran..."

That's the work of an unhinged white male liberal no older than 25 still living at home.

25 posted on 12/30/2007 8:52:54 AM PST by avacado
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To: LurkedLongEnough

They could offer a million dollar reward for the perpetrator(s) and I would turn it down. Instead, I would turn the perp over to some Vietnam Vets that live near the Everglades. As long as they let me watch.


26 posted on 12/30/2007 8:53:33 AM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: Balding_Eagle

HEAR HEAR!


27 posted on 12/30/2007 8:54:57 AM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: LurkedLongEnough

A hate crime. Won’t be prosecuted as such, of course.


28 posted on 12/30/2007 8:55:05 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: RaceBannon; Little Bill

FYI ping ~~~~~


29 posted on 12/30/2007 8:56:49 AM PST by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: LurkedLongEnough
Maybe Columbia University will invite the perpetrator(s) to speak and we can nab them there?
30 posted on 12/30/2007 8:57:08 AM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: LurkedLongEnough

I think it was squashed as a prediction. This compiled thread shows Al-Qaeda and MS 13 working together for a few years not.

Here is a direct link to a specific article, there are MORE on the thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1420911/posts?page=29#29
Al Qaeda seeks tie to local gangs


31 posted on 12/30/2007 8:58:01 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: wideawake
My guess is that the perp is a local lefty college student home for winter break.

... or Yale professor, just as likely.

32 posted on 12/30/2007 9:00:07 AM PST by LurkedLongEnough (Music washes away the dust of every day life. ---Art Blakey)
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To: wideawake; onedoug

Check Yale’s dorms for empty spray paint cans.


33 posted on 12/30/2007 9:00:39 AM PST by BIGLOOK
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To: Calpernia

Thanks for the link. Yeah there were a lot of news stories in 2005.

It’s curious that there not many more references after 2005 in terms of AQ/MS-13 involvement. This search on the NTA website, like your link, confirms the last few references in 2005. http://www.nationalterroralert.com/updates/index.php?s=ms-13

However, where there is money, there is a gang to take it in exchange for criminal activity. I wonder why the silence after so many references pre-2006?


34 posted on 12/30/2007 9:06:24 AM PST by LurkedLongEnough (Music washes away the dust of every day life. ---Art Blakey)
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To: OCCASparky

Deport New Haven’s mayor and city council to Mexico.


35 posted on 12/30/2007 9:08:29 AM PST by popdonnelly (Get Reid. Salazar, and Harkin out of the Senate.)
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To: Master of Orion

“C’mon. They’re just disaffected youth searching for their place in society. Give them a break. /sarcasm off”

That’s exactly what AG Al Gonzales said about them.


36 posted on 12/30/2007 9:10:02 AM PST by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: LurkedLongEnough

Vandals deface Vietnam war memorial (New Haven, CT : MS-13 reference)...

this sanctuary city should be celebrating this vandalism!!!!


37 posted on 12/30/2007 9:11:06 AM PST by nyyankeefan
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To: OCCASparky

A Federal prosecution of the New Haven city government might work, too.


38 posted on 12/30/2007 9:11:50 AM PST by popdonnelly (Get Reid. Salazar, and Harkin out of the Senate.)
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To: wideawake
My guess is that the perp is a local lefty college student home for winter break.

I think you are exactly right. This was done by someone who is anti-war & I'd bet anything - it was done by a white guy. Just trying to stir up some $hit.

39 posted on 12/30/2007 9:17:36 AM PST by alicewonders
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To: wideawake

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40 posted on 12/30/2007 9:24:46 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: snippy_about_it

I agree with you. I would bet that this was done by a
bunch of middle/upper class white kids trying to act like tuff guys. Just my opinion. Is there a cleanup fund we can donate to?


41 posted on 12/30/2007 9:24:53 AM PST by gunnersmatePCF12
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To: LurkedLongEnough

Probably the work of some libtard college guy trying to stir up a hornet’s nest.


42 posted on 12/30/2007 9:27:16 AM PST by stbdside
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To: squarebarb

I live in a Los Angeles suburb and atypical gang graffiti is never that clearly written. Perhaps its different on the East Coast?


43 posted on 12/30/2007 9:30:51 AM PST by Historix
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To: BenLurkin

yes, if they are proud of thier spanish roots, why did they write in English. Also, why deface a momument that might have the names of Hispanics.
Most likely it was the Daily Kos and thier minions. It seems like their handiwork and the type of BS they would get thier rocks off doing.


44 posted on 12/30/2007 9:31:39 AM PST by Yorlik803 ( Please dont drag your filth into my swamp...........)
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To: LurkedLongEnough

>>>I wonder why the silence after so many references pre-2006?

Exactly. Bump.


45 posted on 12/30/2007 9:38:02 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: LurkedLongEnough

Foul, despicable, dirty little cretins...

Have we had enough, already?


46 posted on 12/30/2007 9:42:51 AM PST by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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To: concretebob; stowaway; jjm2111; Mrs.LoneGOPinCT; underbyte; badbackman; Bigfitz; mcswan; ...

Connecticut ping


47 posted on 12/30/2007 9:50:13 AM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: gunnersmatePCF12

Here are two places that might be able to direct your contributions. It’s all I could find on local chapters. I’m sure there are other VV groups around but this is all I could find quickly.

Contact VVA

Locate Your Local VVA Chapter

VVA CHAPTER #251
203-877-9307
vva251@snet.net
New Haven
Milford, CT 06460-0247

VVA CHAPTER #484
2034668387
vvanewsct@comcast.net
New Haven
E. Haven, CT 06512-


48 posted on 12/30/2007 9:50:23 AM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul. WWPD (what would Patton do))
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To: LurkedLongEnough
That said, New Haven police say there hasn't been any documented MS-13 activity so far in the city

There was a brazen murder of a downtown Hispanic merchant earlier this year, and a recent drive-by shooting of a Hispanic male on Ella DeGrasso Blvd. Did aliens commit those crimes?

49 posted on 12/30/2007 9:57:05 AM PST by montag813
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To: LurkedLongEnough

Seems to me this was the work of black punks, who DO talk about killing Whitey, and who would benefit greatly if police focused on Hispanics instead of black gangs, who commit by far most of the crime in New Haven.


50 posted on 12/30/2007 9:59:27 AM PST by montag813
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