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Violent Border Smugglers Scare U.S. Scientists
Foxnews ^ | Sunday, December 30, 2007 | AP

Posted on 12/30/2007 9:44:07 AM PST by Carbonsteel

PHOENIX — Biologist Karen Krebbs used to study bats in Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument on the Arizona-Mexico border. Then, she got tired of dodging drug smugglers all night.

"I use night-vision goggles, and you could see them very clearly" — caravans of men with guns and huge backpacks full of drugs, trudging through the desert, Krebbs said. After her 10th or 11th time hiding in bushes and behind rocks, she abandoned her research.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: New Mexico
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; drugs; fence; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; invasionusa; smugglers
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I can't understand why our government sits by and lets this happen.
1 posted on 12/30/2007 9:44:08 AM PST by Carbonsteel
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To: Carbonsteel
I can't understand why our government sits by and lets this happen.

Follow the MONEY!

2 posted on 12/30/2007 9:46:07 AM PST by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: Carbonsteel

3 snipers, a case of water and a box of Snickers could solve a lot of problems?


3 posted on 12/30/2007 9:46:54 AM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (To Err Is Human. To Arr is Pirate. To Unnngh! is Freeper.)
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To: K4Harty

I agree.


4 posted on 12/30/2007 9:50:48 AM PST by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: K4Harty

Maybe the Border Patrol could trade Karen a few Snickers for her night vision goggles!


5 posted on 12/30/2007 9:51:43 AM PST by jakester
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To: Carbonsteel

“I can’t understand why our government sits by and lets this happen.”

The only people who benefit from the drug war are government agencies, politicians, and drug dealers.

The rest of us all suffer from it.


6 posted on 12/30/2007 9:53:38 AM PST by marktwain
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To: Carbonsteel

THIS IS THE BIGGEST FAILURE OF BUSH. HE AND THE DEMOCRATS HAVE SOLD US OUT FOR VOTES.


7 posted on 12/30/2007 10:04:44 AM PST by nckerr ("A freeper since the time Clinton (the liar) was the President.")
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To: jakester

Guess they could spare one.... :o)


8 posted on 12/30/2007 10:11:26 AM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (To Err Is Human. To Arr is Pirate. To Unnngh! is Freeper.)
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To: marktwain
The junkies, of course, get nothing out of it and are totally innocent parties.

/sarc

9 posted on 12/30/2007 10:26:57 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: marktwain; Carbonsteel
>The only people who benefit from the drug war are government agencies, politicians, and drug dealers.

The rest of us all suffer from it.<

How many rehabilitation centers were built to treat drug addicted fools? The staff certainly appreciate their jobs.

How many prisons were built to contain drug addicted fools? The staff certainly appreciate their jobs.

How many hospital rooms were built to treat drug addicted fools? The staff certainly appreciate their jobs.

How many police officers are gainfully employed to arrest drug addicted fools on American streets? Think about all the crimes committed by drug addicts searching for some money to buy a line of crack. The police officers certainly appreciate their jobs. The insurance agents and security service companies also smile when you call to report a crime.

How many articles and books have been written about illegal drug usage? Those writers, editors and publishers all appreciate their share of the cut.

This list is almost unending, thanks to drug addiction. Yes, illegal drugs provide for a large part of the money that circulates within America. Don’t ever think that local and state police departments or the Drug Enforcement Agency want to become successful at this task. If we were to successfully crush illegal drug usage there would be a lot of people out of work because their jobs are directly tied into the millions of drug addicted fools in America.

10 posted on 12/30/2007 10:28:11 AM PST by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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To: B4Ranch
How many rehabilitation centers were built to treat drug addicted fools? The staff certainly appreciate their jobs..........

How many hospital rooms were built to treat drug addicted fools? The staff certainly appreciate their jobs.

I'm not sure the need for rehabilitation centers and hospital rooms would go down if drugs were legalized.

And now a flashback from the past. Legalized drugs in Zurich Switzerland at "Needle Park"


11 posted on 12/30/2007 10:39:49 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit

I have been against legalized drugs most of my life. Lately I am swinging towards legalizing them in the sincere hope that users would over dose and give our gene pool a severe cleansing. We could use it.


12 posted on 12/30/2007 10:45:54 AM PST by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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To: Carbonsteel

Hahgahhah LOLOLOL
This is just one big goof.One big joke to the hacks in DC. They could give a crap about this major violation of our sovereignty.Not to mention the mountains of trash these idiotas leave. Mexico has trash heaps all around so why not make the USA the same. Throwing soiled diapers out the window in a parking lot etc etc ad nauseum


13 posted on 12/30/2007 10:49:59 AM PST by dennisw
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To: B4Ranch
There is definitely some futility to the war on drugs. One has to wonder what the results of decriminalization would be.

In the case of this article one could put off the decriminalization argument and focus on the borders argument. If we legalized drugs tomorrow most of these traffickers would switch to human smuggling.

Many already have for some very good reasons. The product pays before transport. It transports itself, sometimes even hauling a load of marijuana. If caught it is hard to tell the coyote from the customers. The customers know if they snitch they will get wacked when they are taken back to Mexico. Due to our catch and release program the coyotes can be back in business the minute they are dropped in Mexico.

14 posted on 12/30/2007 11:21:56 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: marktwain
The only people who benefit from the drug war are government agencies, politicians, and drug dealers.

Makes a good tagline, thanks.

15 posted on 12/30/2007 11:22:41 AM PST by theymakemesick (The war on drugs benefits government agencies, politicians and drug dealers, they don't want to win.)
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To: Carbonsteel

The bats would give me the willies as well.


16 posted on 12/30/2007 11:29:58 AM PST by GunsareOK
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To: B4Ranch

I’m sure glad drugs are illegal. Elsewise, I’d probably become an addict and ruin my life.


17 posted on 12/30/2007 11:36:00 AM PST by umgud (no more subprime politicians)
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To: Carbonsteel

Although I only read the blurb atop this post I’ll wager everything I have that this scientist still supports amnesty for illegals.


18 posted on 12/30/2007 11:44:03 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Wanna see how bad it can get? Elect Hillary and find out.)
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To: B4Ranch

But... but... but... the price of lettuce will go up, inflation will soar, and our economy will tank without illegal alien lettuce pickers. Some of the folks on FR tell me so.


19 posted on 12/30/2007 12:10:04 PM PST by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: B4Ranch
Think about all the crimes committed by drug addicts searching for some money to buy a line of crack.

Crack comes in rocks.

Powdered coke is done in lines.

20 posted on 12/30/2007 12:12:46 PM PST by humblegunner (My KungFu is ten times power.)
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To: Carbonsteel

I don’t think you realize how vast and uninhabited this area is. Come on out and see if you can do a better job of it.


21 posted on 12/30/2007 12:27:54 PM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: B4Ranch
The war on drugs is a huge industry. It's a fiasco that has filled our jails, court rooms...The industry employs tens of thousands of interpreters, judges, cops, probation.. attorneys...The list is endless. These people are making a great living off this fiasco.

Seasoned cops will tell ya that all these raids, busting down doors with swat teams etc etc is a total waste of resources, man power and tax dollars. But it's a massive industry where those in government are making a very lucrative living off this "drug war". Big time job security.

Think about it, the Fedgov allows and even encourages tens of millions of illegals to enter, illegals that smuggle in 700 plus TONS of dope a year. They then run around forcing hundreds of thousand into the legal "machine" that literally sucks the money and assets out of them...Seizing property, fines, fees, court costs, bail, building jails, hiring more attorneys, cops, judges....

It's a never ending fiasco and a big government golden goose.

22 posted on 12/30/2007 12:40:18 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: Carbonsteel
I can't understand why our government sits by and lets this happen.

The only explanation that makes sense is the US knowing that if it closed the border, Mexico would go down in a bloody revolution resulting in a hostile communist dictatorship on our border, with all that entails.

23 posted on 12/30/2007 12:41:32 PM PST by pabianice
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To: humblegunner
Think about all the crimes committed by drug addicts searching for some money to buy a line of crack.

Line of crack. There's probably a funny photo to illustrate this, but it would get the thread pulled.
24 posted on 12/30/2007 12:51:00 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Carbonsteel
I can't understand why our government sits by and lets this happen.

You can thank George W. Bush. He has done nothing about the borders and will not. He simply ignores it. Just like dimocrats. Ignore it. It should go away.

25 posted on 12/30/2007 12:52:32 PM PST by RetiredArmy (Better prepare, come Nov 08, we have a Marxist Commissar President and Marxist Congress.)
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To: umgud
umgud said: "I’m sure glad drugs are illegal. Elsewise, I’d probably become an addict and ruin my life."

Whatever you do, don't buy a gun. You'll stick up a liquor store, shoot up the neighborhood, and put your eye out. It's just so fortunate that we have politicians to protect us from ourselves.

26 posted on 12/30/2007 1:13:09 PM PST by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: K4Harty

Someone should be recruiting volunteers.


27 posted on 12/30/2007 1:18:18 PM PST by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: azhenfud
"Scientists must sign a statement acknowledging that the National Park Service cannot guarantee their safety from "potentially dangerous persons entering the park from Mexico."

How about the US Government "preventing dangerous persons from entering"?

28 posted on 12/30/2007 1:54:11 PM PST by boop (Democracy is the theory that the people get the government they deserve, good and hard.)
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To: Carbonsteel
I can't understand why our government sits by and lets this happen.

The weird thing is, that the whole problem could probably be solved with 20 good rifle squads. We have already declared a war on drugs, let it be so.

29 posted on 12/30/2007 2:03:50 PM PST by D Rider
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To: B4Ranch
You left out the extra prosecutors, defense attorneys, and judges, plus all their hangers-on & teat-suckers.

Oh, and all those ‘gainfully employed’ Community Activists running enabling institutions, like needle exchanges, flop houses, and so forth exclusively for the addicted fools.

30 posted on 12/30/2007 2:08:37 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (If God didn't want a Liberal/RINO hanging from every tree, He wouldn't have created so much rope!)
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To: Carbonsteel

Duncan Hunter is the only candidate who has a consistent record on the right side of the illegal alien issue.

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According to Intrade, the winner of the December 12th GOP debate was... Duncan Hunter.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1938773/posts

Why the smart money is on Duncan Hunter
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1926032/posts

In this poll Hunter is up 3% and even with Paul and Thompson.
http://www.wxyz.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=3481ef60-8195-46a9-af04-b87b907bcfdd


31 posted on 12/30/2007 2:09:39 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: USNBandit
I'm for legalizing drugs. I want the jails emptied of those in there ONLY for drugs.

Why? Because I want those men to be men, dads. In jail they are on a taxpayer-paid maintenance program to keep them as human scum. Outside in the world, we can bump them into shape.

The Needle park photo is anecdotal photo-propaganda. Such artifacts of more widespread drug use are (1) transitional, and (2) can be almost eliminated by thoughtful preparation for the social transition phase, and by managing that phase much as was done with the Prohibition, in stages.

The gangs of today are fueled by the lack of responsible men. What men there are to the youth who move into gangs are ex-cons.

Keep jail for the violent, the thieves, the extortionists, the bribe makers and bribe takers.

32 posted on 12/30/2007 2:20:11 PM PST by bvw
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


33 posted on 12/30/2007 2:41:49 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: boop
How about the US Government "preventing dangerous persons from entering"?

According to the Constitution, the government has the duty to defend its citizens; upon their failure, it is incumbant upon the state to do so. When both fail, the final responsibility falls upon the citizens themselves.

What would you do with an employee who failed to even minimally perform their job?

34 posted on 12/30/2007 2:43:15 PM PST by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: gubamyster

Bttt!


35 posted on 12/30/2007 2:45:38 PM PST by TheLion
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To: marktwain
The only people who benefit from the drug war are government agencies, politicians, and drug dealers. The rest of us all suffer from it.

I think he meant the illegals invading part.

36 posted on 12/30/2007 3:01:04 PM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: azhenfud
What would you do with an employee who failed to even minimally perform their job?


37 posted on 12/30/2007 3:17:17 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (To Err Is Human. To Arr is Pirate. To Unnngh! is Freeper.)
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To: marktwain

It is quite appalling what took place in the jungles of Central America. First hand from a Silver Star medalist from Nam. (what he told me).


38 posted on 12/30/2007 3:27:36 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: bvw
Outside in the world, we can bump them into shape.

Really?

39 posted on 12/30/2007 3:45:28 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: eyedigress
It is quite appalling what took place in the jungles of Central America. First hand from a Silver Star medalist from Nam. (what he told me).

What did he tell you?

40 posted on 12/30/2007 3:53:54 PM PST by secretagent
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To: USNBandit

Yep. Really. Far easier than dealing with the bastards that they leave to our care when they are in the pen.


41 posted on 12/30/2007 4:06:37 PM PST by bvw
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To: tiki
Come on out and see if you can do a better job of it.

Piece of cake. All they'd have to do is follow the bat lady around at night.

I used to hike in the Organ Pipe NM and it is a beautful, spare, pristine environment. Damn shame what the government has let happen there. But when you have a degenerate failed slum culture on your border you either deal with it or pay the price.

42 posted on 12/30/2007 4:12:46 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: bvw
Keep jail for the violent, the thieves, the extortionists, the bribe makers and bribe takers.

Now you're moving into the dangerous territory where the corrupted and bought off operate. I want all these scum dragged out into the light of day, no matter how high their positions, explaining their actions to their neighbors and the taxpayers.

43 posted on 12/30/2007 6:02:58 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus
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To: bvw
I want to be sure I understand what you’re saying. You’re saying that the only reason we have multitudes of children whose fathers take no responsibility for them is because of our drug laws?
44 posted on 12/30/2007 7:27:56 PM PST by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: brytlea
I want to be sure I understand what you are saying. You're saying that the only reason you replied was to twist my post into an idiotic inanity that bears no relation to what I posted, because you are otherwise unable to make a point. Do I have that correct? Is there more?

To be sure, what I am saying is that one of the main reasons we have an exceptionally large cohort of incorrigible socially dangerous bastards born of single moms is because of the drug laws dumping all the Dads in jail where they become trained in the thuggish and anti-social arts.

It is not the only reason, but it is a BIG reason. Maybe the biggest, by accrual (compound interest) over the nine generations since we began the infamy.

45 posted on 12/31/2007 7:51:13 AM PST by bvw
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To: bvw

Thank you for your post. Clearly it is pointless to discuss things with you, since if you are questioned you clearly get defensive and nasty. Thank you for the heads up.
susie


46 posted on 12/31/2007 8:11:25 AM PST by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: brytlea
Dear Lady,

It seems impossible for you to engage in discussion, since you (1) seem unable to restate other's position fairly, (2) have a overly sensitive nature, and (3) appear to be a "quitter".

Therefore,

Good quittance to you!

47 posted on 12/31/2007 8:49:31 AM PST by bvw
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To: B4Ranch

Can’t imagine much difference. Decriminalizing would not change much. Legalization might actually PROLONG their miserable lives because of a cleaner, less adulterated, supply of drugs.


48 posted on 12/31/2007 8:56:42 AM PST by moehoward
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To: bvw

LOL
It would take far more than you to get rid of me.

Have a nice New Years Eve.
:)
susie


49 posted on 12/31/2007 9:02:08 AM PST by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: Carbonsteel

This article was on the front page of this morning’s ABQ Journal so am adding New Mexico as a topic.


50 posted on 12/31/2007 9:42:19 AM PST by CedarDave
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