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Senator Tim Hutchinson on Late Edition - 12/30/2007 (on Mike Huckabee)
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Posted on 12/30/2007 1:57:03 PM PST by MrArbitrage123

Hey gang,

Let's watch this video so we can have some more fun maliciously and ignorantly assassinate another good man's character.

Let's propigate some more half truths because we are so credulous as to eat the spoon fed pap of Fred Barnes, Mort Kondrackie, Krauthammer, Matt Drudge and Mitt Romney.

Crucify him! Crucify him! Give us Barabas!


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1 posted on 12/30/2007 1:57:05 PM PST by MrArbitrage123
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To: MrArbitrage123

How about just suggesting a better man for the office?

Huckabee has surged because he won a couple of debates and he’s got evangelical support. If a quick rise can happen to the liberal pro-life evangelical Huckster, it can happen to the conservative pro-life evangelical Hunter.

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According to Intrade, the winner of the December 12th GOP debate was... Duncan Hunter.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1938773/posts

Why the smart money is on Duncan Hunter
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1926032/posts

In this poll Hunter is up 3% and even with Paul and Thompson.
http://www.wxyz.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=3481ef60-8195-46a9-af04-b87b907bcfdd


2 posted on 12/30/2007 1:58:10 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: MrArbitrage123

Huckabee is who he is. Both he and Mitt are good bureaucrats.


3 posted on 12/30/2007 1:58:27 PM PST by Maelstorm (Check out www.Fredrepublic.com)
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To: MrArbitrage123

Wasn’t Hutchison a “drug czar” or some other worthless position in the government. I like Huckster even less after this endorsement


4 posted on 12/30/2007 2:01:30 PM PST by Fast Ed97
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To: MrArbitrage123

Where is the required BARF Warning?


5 posted on 12/30/2007 2:05:34 PM PST by A. Morgan
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To: MrArbitrage123
Crucify him! Crucify him! Give us Barabas!

While I'm not a big Huckabee fan, you have an excellent point about the type of cheap character assassination he receives from many. Given the choice between someone weak on fiscal issues but sound on fundamentals like inalienable rights, and their proper relationship to federalism, I will take that person over the opposition any day of the week.

Course, Hunter gives you just about everything - morally, fiscally, and security-wise.

6 posted on 12/30/2007 2:08:14 PM PST by Lexinom (Build the fence and call China to account. GoHunter08.com)
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To: MrArbitrage123

I found it interesting that Hutchinson thought he had to pander to MoveOn and the scumbag liberal Democrat newsrooms by throwing out that line about the Huckster being “intellectually curious”.


7 posted on 12/30/2007 2:11:24 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: MrArbitrage123

Please. This is what makes Huckabee even more distasteful than his record. It’s the fact that any criticism is never refuted with facts. It’s refuted with over the top emotional tirades about how his opponents are a religious bigots trying to frame him.

Clearly, this is a school of politics in Hope, Arkansas. Because Bill Clinton employs a very similar sort of defense.

Huckabee is a pro-life liberal Democrat. He belongs in the Republican primary even less than Ron Paul.


8 posted on 12/30/2007 2:12:30 PM PST by LenS
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To: Lancey Howard

For a guy that dems love so much, he certainly is getting a lot of negative press from the MSM.


9 posted on 12/30/2007 2:13:03 PM PST by wastedpotential (A Reagan Bush conservative from OH and ..... an unashamed Huckabee supporter)
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To: MrArbitrage123
Crucify him! Crucify him! Give us Barabas!

So the Jews are calling for Huckabee's death because he claims he is the son of God? And the Jews are evidently calling for Pilot to commute the death sentence of a man named Barabbas?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...some interesting stuff going on down in Arkansas these days.

I haven't heard of that story, but I do know that there's an ex-governor of Arkansas who is a big fan of raising taxes, giving tuition breaks for illegal aliens, shutting down terrorist detention facilities in order to make the peace loving Muslims happy, gets the NEA endorsement in New Hampshire, supports socialized medicine (See SCHIP), wants to build a wall to stop the Pakistanis instead of the millions of illegal Mexicans crossing, writes policy speeches from the notes of MoveOn.org, and tells me that I'm being un-Christian-like by not supporting his views.

And then there's Bill Clinton..

10 posted on 12/30/2007 2:13:15 PM PST by GOPyouth (Common Sense! Conservative Principles! Fred Thompson for President!)
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To: MrArbitrage123

Do you think it is appropriate to use the crucifixion of our Lord in such a manner just to prop up a political candidate. It is really unseemly.


11 posted on 12/30/2007 2:16:07 PM PST by keepitreal
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To: keepitreal

he is just another P&R troll. don’t give him anymore thought.


13 posted on 12/30/2007 2:21:51 PM PST by bobby.223
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To: unspun
I'm pretty sure President Reagan was referring to Republicans. Huckabee doesn't quite fit that mold with his support of raising taxes, shutting down detention facilities for Terrorists (to make the poor extremists happy), support of socialized medicine (SCHIP), NEA endorsements, using MoveOn.org-like attacks on President Bush's decisions to take on Hussein and Al-Qaeda, and his support of giving illegals tuition breaks.

That's kind of sounding like a Republican in name only.

14 posted on 12/30/2007 2:22:49 PM PST by GOPyouth (Common Sense! Conservative Principles! Fred Thompson for President!)
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To: GOPyouth
I'm pretty sure President Reagan was referring to Republicans. Huckabee doesn't quite fit that mold*

^This is where I stopped reading your post.

15 posted on 12/30/2007 2:27:47 PM PST by unspun (God save us from egos -- especially our own.)
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To: unspun

You’ve now shown your priorities. Good luck to you and those who will compare Mike Huckabee to Jesus Christ.


16 posted on 12/30/2007 2:29:25 PM PST by keepitreal
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To: keepitreal
You’ve now shown your priorities. Good luck to you and those who will compare Mike Huckabee to Jesus Christ.

Are you the Huckabee character assassin who follows me from thread to thread?

Who appointed you?

17 posted on 12/30/2007 2:32:00 PM PST by unspun (God save us from egos -- especially our own.)
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To: unspun
^This is where I stopped reading your post.

Good, because the first sentence was the main point, followed by examples to drive the point home.

18 posted on 12/30/2007 2:32:36 PM PST by GOPyouth (Common Sense! Conservative Principles! Fred Thompson for President!)
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To: unspun

No my friend. I am the person who has posted most of the articles that start the threads you end up on.


19 posted on 12/30/2007 2:34:33 PM PST by keepitreal
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To: GOPyouth
If you are as young as you purport, I suggest a little more seasoning, before you toss around the "RINO" allegation.

You may want to study how GOP governors (including Reagan and not excluding either Huckabee, nor Romney) tend to perform, when faced with largely Democrat state governments.

Remember, it is the states which have to run the bulk of those liberal programs that by law must be paid for.

20 posted on 12/30/2007 2:36:35 PM PST by unspun (God save us from egos -- especially our own.)
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To: Fast Ed97

This is SENATOR TIM Hutchison. His brother, ASA Hutchison was an AR Congressman (Member of the team that prosecuted Clinton in the House) and did serve as director of the DEA.


21 posted on 12/30/2007 2:40:44 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: keepitreal; GOPyouth
No my friend. I am the person who has posted most of the articles that start the threads you end up on.

I thought you were that mudslinging bring-down guy.

Keep after those social conservatives! -- even when they are more fiscally conservative too, than the Democrats in the face of whom you would weaken the Republican.

Nice job.

22 posted on 12/30/2007 2:41:19 PM PST by unspun (God save us from egos -- especially our own.)
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To: Fast Ed97
That was Tim’s brother Asa. Tim was a senator who decided to follow in Newt’w footsteps and dump his wife for a staffer. The people of Arkansas dumped him.
23 posted on 12/30/2007 2:44:56 PM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: unspun

I am a social conservative. I just don’t think that Huckabee is the man for the job. He likes to fib on the campaign trail. He seems to have some ethics issues in Arkansas. And, I have posted articles that I think show that Huckabee is not a person ready to be President of the United States.

I am concerned about the future of my country.

If you don’t like the articles I post. Don’t read them if they bring you down.

And FYI, I’m not a guy.


24 posted on 12/30/2007 2:45:56 PM PST by keepitreal
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To: Lexinom
If only Hunter had been a governor!
25 posted on 12/30/2007 2:46:11 PM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: keepitreal

” Do you think it is appropriate to use the crucifixion of our Lord in such a manner just to prop up a political candidate. It is really unseemly. “

The reason I posted that is because although Senator is a revered, genuinely good man who under normal circumstances would be treated with the dignity and respect he deserves, I was of the opinion that the crowd is going to vilify this good man as they did Huckabee.

Some here have confirmed my curiosity.

It makes me reflect upon how in the Bible, Jesus drew multitudes of people who by all accounts except for the Pharisees loved him.

He entered Jerusalem on Palm Sunday triumphantly. However, all of the sudden, a few days later when Jesus was held up before the multitudes, mocked and falsely accused of wanting to overthrow the earthly government, this crowd who had loved him are suddenly screaming for His crucification Everyone knows the elite Pharisees were trying to trap Jesus so they could falsely accuse him because he was a threat to their power and prestige - but - I always wondered - WHERE did this crowd come from who suddenly turned against Him? Of course this was all part of God’s plan and the REASON why Christ came - but it’s not as though the people calling for Christ’s execution knew they were part of God’s divine plan. I think it shows how easily people are manipulated by those in power who want to use them for their own objectives.

I originally had this thought during Christmas after the world, led by Fox News of all people - attacked him maliciously and scandalously for allegedly having the audacity to have a CROSS in his commercial!

The irony seemed to be lost on the fact that Christmas is the celebration of how the Son of God was born into this world for a destiny of being falsely accused, mocked and crucified by elite people who felt their power was threatened by Him. And it WASN’T the government who felt threatened - but rather the supposed good guys. That is how I feel about my Republican Party when I see the clear agenda, the character assassination by people whom I respected. As I type this I am listening to Britt Hume, Bill Crystal, Juan Williams and the arrogantly smirking Chris Wallace distort Huckabee’s qualifications and record.

I am so turned off by the actions of these people that I feel the damage to my perception of them is irreparable. There is ONE person whom I heard be kind to Mike Huckabee on the entire Fox News Network in the past month and that was Michael Reagan. I haven’t seen him on Fox since that day.

I can hear the hostile mob villifying me for daring to make a comparison of what they are doing to what was done to Jesus Christ. I am not comparing Mike Huckabee for the purpose of saying he’s a type of Messiah. My purpose is to point to the fact that Jesus and his Apostles promised that if we stood up for Him and obeyed His command that we WOULD be persecuted. That is what we are seeing occur. I hope Governor Huckabee keeps his head up and fights the good fight all the way knowing that the treatment they are giving him is an indicator that he is being a true servant.

If these people were giving him adulation, than that to me would mean that he is just another luke warm politician who wants to tickle our ears and appease as many as it takes so to earn their favor. We have enough of those already and yet everyone complains that NOTHING gets done - even when we had a Republican majority!

I wonder why?


26 posted on 12/30/2007 2:47:13 PM PST by MrArbitrage123
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To: unspun
You may want to study how GOP governors (including Reagan and not excluding either Huckabee, nor Romney) tend to perform, when faced with largely Democrat state governments.

A majority of the issues I mentioned, all but one, have been positions he's taken as of October/November/December. As for the tax issue, he's on video welcoming the tax increases. I'll leave it up to him to try and explain that.

President Bush governed under a democratic controlled Legislature, and I didn't see him raising taxes, supporting them, or welcoming them. Speaker Bullock was hardly a conservative.

27 posted on 12/30/2007 2:49:08 PM PST by GOPyouth (Common Sense! Conservative Principles! Fred Thompson for President!)
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To: keepitreal
If you don’t like the articles I post. Don’t read them if they bring you down.

Obviously, it is not bringing me down.

But the kind of thing you (and a bunch of others here -- not picking on you) have been doing is liable to bring down Republicans vs. the Democrats.

My advise is for you to find a Democrat state, become Governor, and see what you can do, to balance budgets.

Also, when you run for office, make sure you have a good time with exacting language and defending all attacks aimed at trying to discredit you, for any ambiguity, or any change of mind -- even when it is in the right direction.

28 posted on 12/30/2007 2:53:45 PM PST by unspun (God save us from egos -- especially our own.)
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To: MrArbitrage123

Your preemptive whining won’t fix Huckabee’s record.


29 posted on 12/30/2007 2:55:52 PM PST by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country.)
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To: MrArbitrage123

How about making a rational, factual case for your guy instead of merely screaming bile at the other side?


30 posted on 12/30/2007 2:58:41 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Hillary Clinton has never done one thing right. She thinks that qualifies her to be President?)
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To: MrArbitrage123

Such irony , that you would use the words “crucify” and be talking about Huckabee in the same thought. Huckabee isn’t Christ. And if Huckabee can not stand the politics of the campaign, then let him quit.


31 posted on 12/30/2007 3:00:04 PM PST by AmericanMade1776
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To: unspun

“But the kind of thing you (and a bunch of others here — not picking on you) have been doing is liable to bring down Republicans vs. the Democrats.”

The primary season is when we debate OUR candidates. It is the time to see who is fit for the job. I am not going to sit silent on a conservative website and not point out issues I have with a candidate just in case Howard Dean happens by to steal a few talking points. I guarantee you if I can see what I perceive as weaknesses in a person, the democrats have already figured it out.

“My advise is for you to find a Democrat state, become Governor, and see what you can do, to balance budgets.”

Well, that’s what the future President, if he happens to be a Republican, will be facing. Has Huckabee shown himself to be strong enough to meet that challenge, when he can’t even do it in Arkansas?

And, I’m not all that concerned about a balanced budget in a time of war. I am concerned about a man who can stand up to the ninnies in Congress day after day as they pull their shenanigans about the war. Does Huckabee have the backbone to do that? All I’ve seen of his backbone so far is his whining over silly attack ads in Iowa.


32 posted on 12/30/2007 3:03:44 PM PST by keepitreal
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To: LenS
Please. This is what makes Huckabee even more distasteful than his record. It’s the fact that any criticism is never refuted with facts. It’s refuted with over the top emotional tirades about how his opponents are a religious bigots trying to frame him.

Clearly, this is a school of politics in Hope, Arkansas. Because Bill Clinton employs a very similar sort of defense.

Huckabee is a pro-life liberal Democrat. He belongs in the Republican primary even less than Ron Paul.

BTTT

33 posted on 12/30/2007 3:10:38 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: unspun
You may want to study how GOP governors ...Reagan ... when faced with largely Democrat state governments.

Reagam closed the neighborhood distribution centers/mailouts for welfare checks and they at least had to spend their time and effort to get their checks.

They howled and complained that it wasn't convenient for them.

34 posted on 12/30/2007 3:13:20 PM PST by lonestar
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To: MrArbitrage123
When are you going to get back to the bogus attacks on Mclame health??

Your problem is that you cannot make an argument you need to throw around half truths and out right fabrications. Most people oppose the huckster because he is a liberal on 98% of the issues.

35 posted on 12/30/2007 3:15:19 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: keepitreal

If you look into it, you will find there is much Huckabee did in Arkansas, to stem the liberal Democrat tide.

Backbones are important. It also takes backbone to move from a faulty point of view to a better one. it’s impportant when backbones are lead by able heads and hearts.

It also takes backbone to show what is good about a candidate, instead of just taking shots at others.


36 posted on 12/30/2007 3:19:13 PM PST by unspun (God save us from egos -- especially our own.)
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To: MrArbitrage123

You don’t have to hate Huckabee not to vote for him. And it’s a squandering of genuine enmity to demonize Huckabee when all you have to do is vote for one of his opponents.


37 posted on 12/30/2007 3:32:48 PM PST by Rudder
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To: lonestar

Reagan was also “pro-choice” and Huckabee also effectively opposed liberal spending programs in Arkansas.

Huckabee had to pay for road rebuilding (see Interstate 35E bridge in MN) and public schools in Arkansas and deal with the kind of burgeoning budget that has been common to the states in the last twenty years.


38 posted on 12/30/2007 3:33:29 PM PST by unspun (God save us from egos -- especially our own.)
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To: unspun
Huckabee's characther assassins are so over the top they're only helping him. Rather than focus on legitimate issues where Huckabee was wrong, they rant and rave incessantly that he's liberal on every single issue besides abortion. The more they pretend like Huckabee is a gun-grabbing, gay-marriage loving, Palestian saluting communist, the more likely people are to dismiss anything they have to say and tune them out.

The biggest problem with those that would demonize Huckabee is the documented fact that he was enormously popular with conservatives and especially with freepers when he was actually IN office. Thus, their modern revisionize about his "liberal record" has much crediblity as the RATs who whine about how Bush "lied" about WMDs when they were all for taking out Saddem's "WMDs" long before Bush even brought up the subject.

You'd think after all this time they'd realize that constantly referring to Huckabee as a "socialist" is not helping their idol Fred Thompson out of his 5th place showing in the polls. Oh well.

If only the RATs were as shallow as Huckabee's detractors, we could win this election easily.

39 posted on 12/30/2007 4:36:36 PM PST by BillyBoy (Fred Thompson isn't the second coming of Ronald Reagan, he's the second coming of Stephen Douglas!)
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To: Fast Ed97
Wasn’t Hutchison a “drug czar” or some other worthless position in the government. I like Huckster even less after this endorsement.

No, that was his brother, Asa Hutchison, who also helped impeach Bill Clinton.

40 posted on 12/30/2007 4:42:19 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Coldwater Creek
The people of Arkansas dumped him.

Which was a dumb move that helped elect more Democrats who hide behind the name "conservative" (a lie).

41 posted on 12/30/2007 4:46:01 PM PST by kcvl
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To: MrArbitrage123

Whoa damn, I hadn’t really thought about crucifying the Huck. I was just not gonna vote for him.

How dramatic.


42 posted on 12/30/2007 4:50:55 PM PST by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: keepitreal
He likes to fib on the campaign trail. He seems to have some ethics issues in Arkansas.

Name a politician who doesn't fib, period. The ethics charges were brought by the same people who think the Clintons are better than God.

And no I am no Huckabee supporter because of immigration. But, I don't see anyone who stands out at this time on any issues.

43 posted on 12/30/2007 4:51:28 PM PST by kcvl
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To: kcvl

“Name a politician who doesn’t fib, period.”

Oh, the old everybody does it argument that my kids use. Sorry, I am looking for better.


44 posted on 12/30/2007 5:00:41 PM PST by keepitreal
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To: keepitreal

Let me know when you find them.


45 posted on 12/30/2007 5:11:51 PM PST by kcvl
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To: BillyBoy
The biggest problem with those that would demonize Huckabee is the documented fact that he was enormously popular with conservatives and especially with freepers when he was actually IN office. Thus, their modern revisioniz[ing] about his "liberal record" has much crediblity as the RATs who whine about how Bush "lied" about WMDs when they were all for taking out Saddam's "WMDs" long before Bush even brought up the subject.

Something odd sure seems to have been driving some, around here. Maybe for some, it has something to do with a kind of angry rationalization response, when Huckabee appeals to principles of respecting and loving God and our neighbor.

It would be sad, even tragic, if very many conservatives actually were as selfish and uncaring as liberals and some moderates say we are.

46 posted on 12/30/2007 5:45:14 PM PST by unspun (God save us from egos -- especially our own.)
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To: unspun

Huck inferred I was a racist and a bigot for being antiamnesty for illegals. He commented that someone else was not drinking the right Jesus juice. His record is very clear and he is very clearly a prolife liberal, I believe more to the left of Clinton and slicker than him too.


47 posted on 12/30/2007 6:00:00 PM PST by libbylu (I am voting for the prettiest.)
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To: libbylu
Huck inferred I was a racist and a bigot for being antiamnesty for illegals. He commented that someone else was not drinking the right Jesus juice.

I think you can get over it, though.

I think he has, so why stay behind?

48 posted on 12/30/2007 6:02:11 PM PST by unspun (God save us from egos -- especially our own.)
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To: LenS
Please. This is what makes Huckabee even more distasteful than his record. It’s the fact that any criticism is never refuted with facts. It’s refuted with over the top emotional tirades about how his opponents are a religious bigots trying to frame him.

Well said. That's what bothers me about Romney, too -- every criticism is met with accusations of bigotry. I don't think I could stomach four years of that.

49 posted on 12/30/2007 10:30:45 PM PST by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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To: unspun
It would be sad, even tragic, if very many conservatives actually were as selfish and uncaring as liberals and some moderates say we are.

The problem for me is that Huckabee appears to buy into the notion that it's the role of government to compel me to "love my neighbor" with my family's hard-earned income.

It's possible to care about the disadvantaged (and even work to help them) while still opposing increased involvement by the government. My liberal friends don't understand that, and I fear Huckabee doesn't either.

50 posted on 12/30/2007 10:40:50 PM PST by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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