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Click, Click, Boom (Shutting Down Terrorist Websites)
Boston Magazine ^ | December 31 2007 | Paul Kix

Posted on 12/31/2007 3:05:43 AM PST by jveritas

.... Joseph Shahda is waging a do-it-yourself war on terrorism that is proving very successful at frustrating his targets. Not to mention the federal government.

...Because he is not shy about the campaign he is waging, the terrorists now know his name, his face, and—because the press has mentioned it—that he lives somewhere near Boston. They talk endlessly of wanting to slay him, this Crusader, this Christian dog...

Since July, Shahda has shut down more than 50 jihadi websites whose message is worldwide Islamic fundamentalism and whose means is an online education in bomb-making……

...Shahda says censoring these sites is in the government’s best interest, because it stops the spread of propaganda and know-how for carrying out terrorist acts, many people in the federal government itself disagree. A Pentagon spokeswoman says, “We glean a lot of information from these sites.” An FBI spokeswoman says the same. Adds James Forest, the director of terrorism studies at the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point, “We’re not going to know the minds of the enemy unless we have a window into their perspectives.”....

Shahda points now to a spot in the top right corner of the Gateway’s monitor. Imagine this computer screen, he says, as the entirety of the Internet, and this spot as the terrorist the government wants. The government spends a year trying to find him online. Meanwhile the terrorist, this tiny spot, is launching new sites, filling the computer screen with big “Death to America” headlines and videos of how to slit a throat or make a mustard gas explosive. And even if investigators get lucky, even if the terrorist reveals his position and is arrested, his legacy lives on, on this computer screen, forever. Now, how many more terrorists does that create?....

http://www.bostonmagazine.com/articles/click_click_boom/

(Excerpt) Read more at bostonmagazine.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: fbi; globaljihad; gwot; internet; jveritas; wot
One of the most common expressions you find on terrorist forums is “allah protects the Jihadi forums”, unfortunately it is not allah of the terrorists who is protecting the terrorist forums, websites and blogs but it is some elements in the United States government.
1 posted on 12/31/2007 3:05:45 AM PST by jveritas
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To: jveritas
I am terribly shocked and disappointed that many people, including folks in the intelligence community hold the view that terrorist websites and forums must be up either to get some intelligence stuff from it or to understand the mind of the terrorists. As long as these terrorist websites and forums are up the terrorists are achieving their ultimate goals which are to recruit more people for terror, brain wash them, fill them with hate, and also teach them how to conduct violent terrorist acts. The terrorists are very much aware that they are being monitored, they say it all the time on their forums, and they know that there is a small possibility that some may be arrested because of the internet but despite all this the most important thing for them is to have the forums remain up so they can achieve their goals that I described above. There is nothing more that can hurt the internet terrorists than shutting down their forums and websites, I know this very well because I see their extreme anger and frustration when one of their websites or forums is down.

When studying the terrorist websites and forums one should weigh the balance between shutting it down or keeping it up. I strongly believe, in fact I am absolutely sure, that the grave danger caused by these terrorist forums far outweigh any intelligence value or other matters that can be obtained from them. Even if there is a proof of capturing dozens of terrorists because of these forums still these forums are causing much more damage of being kept up than any positive achievement that may be presented by monitoring them.

You may be aware of terrorist leader Zawahiri latest speech where he dedicated a good portion of his speech to the so called “Jihadi Media” and their extreme importance in serving the Jihadi cause according to him. What is the “Jihadi Media”? it is the terrorist forums, terrorist websites, and terrorist blogs. If our enemy 2nd in command is telling the world about the extreme importance of the terrorist internet for their terrorist cause then the only effective way to deal with it is to shut it down. In the battlefield our troops destroy the terrorists when they see them and we should do the same for the terrorist enemy on the internet battlefield, destroy their forums and websites.

I have been getting personal death threats from terrorists against me but I am not afraid at all. If they kill me then I would have died for a very noble cause which is fighting a very important aspect of islamic terrorism their internet forums and websites. To tell you the truth, I am much more afraid by the very hostile reaction of some people in the government toward my work, it is scary and very disappointing. The last thing I expected is to have some government employees trying to intimidate me.

My important questions are how will some people in the government live with the thought that more terrorists are recruited everyday on terrorist forums and despite that they decide to keep the sites open for reasons that amount to nothing compared to the terrible damage done by these forums? How can the government break its own laws that prohibit the publications of materials to build bombs, explosives, and other acts of violent terrorist materials by keeping these terrorist forums up?

Anyway, I hope that the government will shut down these terrorist websites and forums very soon which I thought it has been agreed to do so in the October 2007 report “National Strategy For Homeland Security” as released by the White House http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/homeland/nshs/NSHS.pdf (page 29).

2 posted on 12/31/2007 3:07:12 AM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: jveritas

That is very troublesome, my friend.


3 posted on 12/31/2007 3:22:24 AM PST by Bahbah (W)
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To: Bahbah

It is indeed my FRiend.


4 posted on 12/31/2007 3:25:17 AM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: jveritas

I think you are doing a great service, and one that we should be promoting strongly.

Thank you for your efforts.


5 posted on 12/31/2007 3:26:16 AM PST by Ronin (Bushed out!!! Another tragic victim of BDS.)
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To: jveritas

Thanks again for the work you’ve done for us. God bless you.


6 posted on 12/31/2007 3:28:06 AM PST by xmission (Democrats have killed our Soldiers by rewarding the enemy for brutality)
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To: xmission; Ronin

Thank you very much. I am deeply troubled by the government way of handling the terrorist forums.


7 posted on 12/31/2007 3:30:16 AM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: jveritas

So am I. And it is just one of a number of things I wonder about.

Not only should these forums be slapped down as soon as they appear, more efforts should be made to positively identify the persons who write them and actively discourage them. And I do mean ACTIVELY discourage them.


8 posted on 12/31/2007 3:51:17 AM PST by Ronin (Bushed out!!! Another tragic victim of BDS.)
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To: jveritas
“”Terrorists also seek sanctuary in the cyber domain, particularly
the Internet, an inexpensive,
geographically unbounded, and largely unconstrained virtual haven for our enemies. Terrorists
use the Internet to create and disseminate propaganda, recruit new members, raise funds, and plan operations. The Internet has become a training ground, with terrorists acquiring instruction
once possible only through physical training camps. In addition
to discrediting their terrorist propaganda on the Internet with the promotion of truthful messages,
we will seek to deny the Internet to our terrorist enemies as an effective safe haven for their recruitment, fund-raising, training,
and operational planning.””

What about this don’t they understand? Cut and dry to me. They should study the site as much as they can and then shut it down immediately.

9 posted on 12/31/2007 4:02:21 AM PST by madconserv (Help me I'm lost , I only know who not to vote for...Jesus take the wheel)
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To: madconserv
What about this don’t they understand? Cut and dry to me. They should study the site as much as they can and then shut it down immediately.

Except that in nearly all cases, all the people attracted to it, sometimes even the actual computer and physical address can be easily determined. These sites act as honeypots, and if they are all closed down, the Government will have to run some themselves.

If H! gets elected, this very FR site will serve as a valuable source of people who need IRS Audits, for example.

10 posted on 12/31/2007 4:10:49 AM PST by Gorzaloon
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To: Gorzaloon
Except that in nearly all cases, all the people attracted to it, sometimes even the actual computer and physical address can be easily determined.

They can do that in a day or two. Then shut it down. Besides, more will pop-up sooner or later.

11 posted on 12/31/2007 4:18:15 AM PST by madconserv (Help me I'm lost , I only know who not to vote for...Jesus take the wheel)
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To: jveritas

Interesting!


12 posted on 12/31/2007 4:33:34 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Continue to do what you do. Eventually a pattern will emerge, showing which providers will shut down these sites and which will not. Creating an environment that is hostile to this type of message is an important element in winning the information war. We can win militarily, but the US gov. has badly bungled the information fight.

Keep pushing.


13 posted on 12/31/2007 5:42:24 AM PST by scout34 (scout34)
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To: jveritas

If it’s any consolation there ARE some White Hat fellas out there doing a job for freedom.


14 posted on 12/31/2007 5:50:45 AM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: jveritas

Prayers up for your continued safety, Joseph.


15 posted on 12/31/2007 6:11:10 AM PST by MizSterious (Deport all the illegals to sanctuary cities.)
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To: jveritas; thinden; Shermy
"I am terribly shocked and disappointed that many people, including folks in the intelligence community hold the view that terrorist websites and forums must be up either to get some intelligence stuff from it or to understand the mind of the terrorists."

I'd LIKE to be shocked, but I think it has been this way for awhile. There are many who think the US government knew beforehand about the Murrah Building bombing in OKC. Certainly, there was a lot of activity near the building in the days before. I think they might well have known it was planned, but not exactly when--I'm betting they thought they could monitor things and learn more. Alas, a lot of lives were lost while they waited to act. Will that be the case again? Wouldn't surprise me.

16 posted on 12/31/2007 6:18:56 AM PST by MizSterious (Deport all the illegals to sanctuary cities.)
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To: MizSterious
Thank you very much Mizsterious. As I said the terrorists death threats against me do mo scare me do not scare and they are so many of them, but what really scare me and trouble me a lot are the attitude of some of the government toward the terrorist websites and the hostility toward what I do, those people can do me more harm, no physical but in other means.

Happy New Year.

17 posted on 12/31/2007 8:20:43 AM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: Gorzaloon
I did not see many people disappear from these terrorist forums but I saw their membership increasing more and more. As I said the terrorists know that they are being monitored and they have a trick under the sun how to hide their IP or MAC address. They have whole section of the forums dedicted to what is called "Internet and Computer securities" and they always give their members tips on how to avoid detection on the internet.

The most infamous internet terrorist was called Irhabi 007 where the British and the US government spent over 2 years trying to track him on the internet. As the end he was captured not because they determined his house address from his IP address, they were not able to do so, but because they captured two other terrorist in Bosnia who happened to have his contact numbers.

We love to think that we have super spies and some incredible tools to catch terrorists but unfortunately it is not the case.

18 posted on 12/31/2007 8:33:02 AM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: madconserv

Most excellent point.


19 posted on 12/31/2007 8:33:48 AM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: KylaStarr; Cindy; StillProud2BeFree; nw_arizona_granny; Velveeta; Dolphy; appalachian_dweller; ...

ping


20 posted on 12/31/2007 8:35:45 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Ronin; StillProud2BeFree
Our own StillProud2befree

http://www.lauramansfield.com/j/007.asp

March 1, 2006: Me and Terrorist 007:

Tracking a terrorist through cyberspace

By Laura Mansfield

21 posted on 12/31/2007 8:38:15 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Cindy
Links compiled by our own, Cindy:

ON THE NET...

THE ATLANTIC.com: "JIHAD 2.0 With the loss of training camps in Afghanistan, terrorists have turned to the Internet to find and train recruits.  The story of one pioneer of this effort-the enigmatic 'Irhabi 007'-shows how" by Nadya Labi (July/August 2006)

MEMRI.org - Inquiry and Analysis Series - No. 275: "AL-TAJDEED versus AL-HESBAH: ISLAMIST WEBSITES & THE CONFLICT BETWEEN RIVAL ARAB & MUSLIM POLITICAL FORCES" by D. Hazan (May 17, 2006)

INTERNET-HAGANAH.com: "IDENTITY OF INTERNET HAGANAH OPERATIVE REVEALED!" (May 3, 2006)

INTERNET-HAGANAH.com: "THE CHARGE: SPREADING FITNA AMONGST THE VIRTUAL UMMAH" (April 27, 2006)

JAMESTOWN.org - Terrorism Focus: "FEARS OF INTELLIGENCE PENETRATION OF THE GIMF" by Stephen Ulph (April 25, 2006)

JAMESTOWN.org - Terrorism Focus: "MUJAHIDEEN MULL WHETHER AL-QAEDA IN THE PENINSULA IS A FAKE" by Stephen Ulph (April 25, 2006)

INTERNET-HAGANAH.com: "WHITHER BRITANIA?" (April 20, 2006)

INTERNET-HAGANAH.com: "THE GLOBAL DISTRIBUTION OF THE READERSHIP OF THE TAJDEED FORUM Extracted from a SOFIR report released today." (April 20, 2006)

COUNTERTERRORISM BLOG.org: "PROMINENT JIHAD FORUM ANNOUNCES ARREST OF WEB ADMINISTRATOR" by Evan Kohlmann (April 15, 2006)

INTERNET-HAGANAH.com: "THE WEB BROWSER AND OPERATING SYSTEM PREFERENCES OF THE USERS OF THE TAJDEED FORUM" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "From an upcoming report by the Society For Internet Research regarding the users of the Tajdeed forum (tajdeed.org.uk and tajdeedi.co.uk) operated in the UK by the Saudi exile group Party of Islamic Renewal (PIR)") (April 14, 2006)
SOFIR.org - SOciety For Internet Research

INTERNET-HAGANAH.com: "EVERYBODY BE COOL..." (April 12, 2006)

JAMESTOWN.org: "INTELLIGENCE WAR BREAKS OUT ON THE JIHADI FORUMS" by Stephen Ulph (April 11, 2006)

INTERNET-HAGANAH.com: "THE ON-GOING SOAP OPERA FORMERLY KNOWN AS THE AL-HESBAH FORUM" (April 8, 2006)

THE COUNTERTERRORISM BLOG: "AL-QAIDA IN SAUDI ARABIA DENIES BEING INFILTRATED IN PURPORTED INTERNET STING" (April 7, 2006)

INTERNET-HAGANAH.com: "AL-HESBAH ADMIN(S) ARRESTED?" (April 3, 2006)

INTERNET-HAGANAH.com: "AL-HESBAH POSTS FAKE 'SUSPENDED SITE' MESSAGE" (March 18, 2006)

INTERNET-HAGANAH.com: "MAKING ACCUSATIONS AGAINST AL-HESBAH CAN BE BAD FOR YOUR WEBSITE" (March 16, 2006)

INTERNET-HAGANAH.com: "IRHABI007 AS A CASE-STUDY IN JIHADI COUNTER-INTELLIGENCE EFFORTS" (March 11, 2006)

"www.tajdeed.org.uk/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=39571"

INTERNET-HAGANAH.com: "THE GLOBAL DISTRIBUTION OF THE READERS OF AL-HESBAH FORUM" (March 2, 2006)

INTERNET-HAGANAH.com: "THE DECLINE AND FALL OF IRHABI007: EPISODE THREE, THE INTERNET (pg. 1) (March 2, 2006)

INTERNET-HAGANAH.com: "THE DECLINE AND FALL OF IRHABI007: EPISODE THREE, THE INTERNET (pg. 2) (March 2, 2006)

INTERNET-HAGANAH.com: "THE DECLINE AND FALL OF IRHABI007: EPISODE THREE, THE INTERNET (pg. 3) (March 2, 2006)

INTERNET-HAGANAH.com: "THE DECLINE AND FALL OF IRHABI007: EPISODE THREE, THE INTERNET (pg. 4) (March 2, 2006)

INTERNET-HAGANAH.com: "THE DECLINE AND FALL OF IRHABI007: EPISODE TWO, THE BUST" (March 1, 2006)

INTERNET-HAGANAH.com: "THE DECLINE AND FALL OF IRHABI007: EPISODE ONE, THE NAME" (February 28, 2006)

THE JAWA REPORT: "INTERNET JIHADI #1 IRHABI 007 CAPTURED, NAME REVEALVED (Updated)" (February 28, 2006)

LauraMansfield.com: "ME AND TERRORIST 007: TRACKING A TERRORIST THROUGH CYBERSPACE" by Laura Mansfield (March 1, 2006)

"www.infovlad.net/?p=275" (September 11, 2005)

INTERNET-HAGANAH: "IRHABI 007 IS IN EALING, ENGLAND Or at least that's where the bastard was when we located him (a year and a half ago)." September 10, 2005)

INTERNET-HAGANAH: "VIDEO OF LONDON BOMBERS CLAIMING RESPONSIBILITY" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Produced by Al Qaida's Al Sahab production company, presumably in Pakistan or Afghanistan, aired by Al Jazeera, and distributed on the internet by dear old Irhabi[Terrorist]007.") (September 2, 2005)
"www.irhaab007.org/Alqaedah_london.zip"

INTERNET-HAGANAH: "WILL THE REAL QAL3AH PLEASE STAND UP" (August 14, 2005)

INTERNET-HAGANAH: "HEY, 007: HOW DO YOU LIKE THE FEEL OF THAT HOOK IN YOUR MOUTH?" (August 14, 2005)

INTERNET-HAGANAH: "GREAT MOMENTS FROM THE ONLINE EXPLOITS OF "Irhabi007," EPISODE NUMBER 3,432" (August 11, 2005)

INTERNET HAGANAH: "IRHABI007 & CO. PRESENT: AL-RASHUD, SAUDI AL QAIDA IDEOLOGUE EXTRAORDINAIRE" (March 21, 2005)

MSNBC.msn.com: "WEB VIDEO TEACHES TERRORISTS TO MAKE BOMB VESTS" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: ""The video was accompanied by a note that explained it was there for the purposes of aiding the brothers, the fighting brothers, in cities in central Iraq," says NBC terror analyst Evan Kohlmann. Related story Latest on the Mosul attack Specifically, the note mentioned wanting to help fighters in Fallujah, Ramadi and Mosul, though there's nothing to tie this to Tuesday's attack. The person who posted the note and video on the Internet called himself "terrorist007." NBC News will not reveal most details, but the video demonstrates each step of bomb making: *select a fabric and sew the vest; *mix explosives; *arrange shrapnel to kill victims in a large radius; *attach a detonator.") (Updated December 22, 2004)
INTERNET-HAGANAH: "COMMUNICATIONS INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE GLOBAL JIHAD: THREE PLAYERS JOIN FORCES" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Witness the collaboration between Abu Banan/Global Islamic Media and Irhabi007 in distributing the Al Qaida publication Sout al Jihad, with additional services provided by the French Islamist site ribaat.org" (September 1, 2004)
INTERNET-HAGANAH. (FREEREPUBLIC.com): "YO! IRHABI007, WE'LL HAVE A WORD WITH YOU MATE..." (August 12, 2004)

Discussion on FREEREPUBLIC.com regarding WASHINGTON POST.com article: "AL QAEDA MESSAGES POSTED ON U.S. SERVER" (July 13, 2004) (Note: "007" mentioned)


22 posted on 12/31/2007 8:42:51 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: All; jveritas

>>>>Irhabi 007

See post 21. Irhabi 007 = Terrorist 007 for anyone not familiar with the story.


23 posted on 12/31/2007 8:44:34 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: jveritas

What inevitably happens with a debacle that’s likely to result from our government’s studious inaction is a loss of freedom on our part.

Government agencies now have the tools and authority to do what you’re doing, but should terrorists succeed due to recruitment and information spread on those web sites, there’ll be a chorus of outrage coming out of DC and demands for government control over the internet.

People will largely agree that speech on the ‘net should be closely regulated if it saves just ONE life and we’ll all lose a little more freedom thanks to another government-created mess.


24 posted on 12/31/2007 9:05:28 AM PST by Nickname
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To: MizSterious

ooops, do scare me = do not scare me.


25 posted on 12/31/2007 9:05:42 AM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: Nickname
I simply hope that they implement the White House recommendation released on October 2007 which is to deny terrorist the recruiting tool through the internet which says on page 29 of the report (link posted in the orginal thread):

"Terrorists also seek sanctuary in the cyber domain, particularly the Internet, an inexpensive, geographically unbounded, and largely unconstrained virtual haven for our enemies. Terrorists use the Internet to create and disseminate propaganda, recruit new members, raise funds, and plan operations. The Internet has become a training ground, with terrorists acquiring instruction once possible only through physical training camps. In addition to discrediting their terrorist propaganda on the Internet with the promotion of truthful messages, we will seek to deny the Internet to our terrorist enemies as an effective safe haven for their recruitment, fund-raising, training, and operational planning."

26 posted on 12/31/2007 9:10:21 AM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: Calpernia

Thank you for posting these links. Happy New Year.


27 posted on 12/31/2007 9:11:38 AM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: jveritas

I see the Government playing “Dwayne” against the internet crusaders playing “John McClain” from Diehard.


28 posted on 12/31/2007 9:16:16 AM PST by AU72
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To: jveritas

Happy New Year to you too!


29 posted on 12/31/2007 9:20:07 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: AU72

Excellent analogy :)


30 posted on 12/31/2007 9:58:27 AM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: Calpernia

Thanks.

Bump.


31 posted on 12/31/2007 11:23:10 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1886546/posts?page=4972#4972 45 Item Communist Manifesto)
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To: MizSterious

I see you survived the big chill.

was your power out?


32 posted on 01/05/2008 6:48:16 AM PST by thinden
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To: thinden

Only for awhile. We didn’t even have time to fire up the generator.


33 posted on 01/05/2008 7:00:25 AM PST by MizSterious (Deport all the illegals to sanctuary cities.)
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